So what about the fourth commandment?
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that's not an answer at all.
that's ducking a difficult question.
please, pray about it and think. i will send you a PM so you can remember to think of this -- because it really is an important thing to consider. it applies to every gentile -- all who were not baptized into Moses, and never were offered that covenant.
that's ducking a difficult question.
please, pray about it and think. i will send you a PM so you can remember to think of this -- because it really is an important thing to consider. it applies to every gentile -- all who were not baptized into Moses, and never were offered that covenant.
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Old husband? God said He was the husband that divorced the House of Israel because of their nature (sins done on purpose), because they only had the written (and later added orally) laws, but now we have the Holy Spirit and God's laws are written on the hearts to those who have accepted the only begotten Son that God sent us to show us the "arm" of God, His grace in not only bringing back the House of Israel, but also anyone who desires to be included in God's Israel.
you & i sir, are not of the bloodline of Israel, but if we are children of Abraham -- it is by faith. unless you are actually a Jew by birth? but then to come to Christ you must also die in Him, and become His child by faith instead.
so your flesh is not of the house of Israel. it never was. that's irrelevant -- but we are to be espoused to a new husband.
so your flesh is not of the house of Israel. it never was. that's irrelevant -- but we are to be espoused to a new husband.
I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy.
I promised you to one husband, to Christ,
so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.
(2 Corinthians 11:2)
I promised you to one husband, to Christ,
so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.
(2 Corinthians 11:2)
Good example from scripture. I also like the following:
Tell me, you who want to be under the Law, do you not understand what the Law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born because of the promise. These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present
-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our
mother.
For it is written:“Rejoice, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have never travailed;
because more are the children of the desolate woman,
than of her who has a husband.”
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of the promise. At that time, however, the son born by the flesh
persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Expel the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”
Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman."
It appears that there are always going to be those people who-- no matter how many illustrations the Holy Spirit has used--they just will not let go of the works of the law as a requirement for salvation. They say "Oh no, it is
through Christ only that we have salvation" while at the same time presenting a list of works that must be done
along side of what Jesus did, such as the keeping of the ten commandments, keeping the Sabbath, abstaining
from certain foods, etc.. They never come to the understand that we are no longer under that covenant. In fact, we were never under that covenant. Gentiles have put themselves under the works of the law. The only reason or adding these works would be to gain favor with God (Lord, I kept the Sabbath and the ten commandments) nd the Lord will say "woopdeedoo! I shed my blood for you and paid the penalty for your sins! Depart from me I never knew you!" No wonder the scripture says "Many will say to me on that day Lord, Lord."
"May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world."
Tell me, you who want to be under the Law, do you not understand what the Law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born because of the promise. These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present
-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our
mother.
For it is written:“Rejoice, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have never travailed;
because more are the children of the desolate woman,
than of her who has a husband.”
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of the promise. At that time, however, the son born by the flesh
persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Expel the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”
Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman."
It appears that there are always going to be those people who-- no matter how many illustrations the Holy Spirit has used--they just will not let go of the works of the law as a requirement for salvation. They say "Oh no, it is
through Christ only that we have salvation" while at the same time presenting a list of works that must be done
along side of what Jesus did, such as the keeping of the ten commandments, keeping the Sabbath, abstaining
from certain foods, etc.. They never come to the understand that we are no longer under that covenant. In fact, we were never under that covenant. Gentiles have put themselves under the works of the law. The only reason or adding these works would be to gain favor with God (Lord, I kept the Sabbath and the ten commandments) nd the Lord will say "woopdeedoo! I shed my blood for you and paid the penalty for your sins! Depart from me I never knew you!" No wonder the scripture says "Many will say to me on that day Lord, Lord."
"May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world."
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In Matthew 17:1-5 God showed us that we are no longer to listen to Moses (physical law) or Elijah (prophets, because we now have the complete word of God. We are ONLY to listen to Christ- which commanded the apostles to write down what He told them to- which is the New Testament. They only acted as secretaries, the doctrine comes from Christ.
In Matthew 28:18 ALL authority, in heaven AND on earth, was given to Christ- that leaves no authority for anyone else- including Moses. Moses, like a husband, is dead to us, and we are therefore freed from his authority. We now belong to another- to Christ. To follow both laws would be to commit spiritual adultery. Read Romans 7:1-4.
"Where there are prophesies they will cease. Where there are tongues they will be stilled. For we know in part (under Old Testament the full mysteries of Christ were not fully revealed). And we prophesy in part, but when completion comes, what was only in part will disappear. But faith, hope, and love remain." We now have the complete bible and no longer need prophets to tell us what God says. We now have Christ (perfection) and we no longer need the old law ( the physical way). "For what the law was powerless to do, in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending His Son to be a sin offering. He therefore condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us who do not live according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."
In Matthew 28:18 ALL authority, in heaven AND on earth, was given to Christ- that leaves no authority for anyone else- including Moses. Moses, like a husband, is dead to us, and we are therefore freed from his authority. We now belong to another- to Christ. To follow both laws would be to commit spiritual adultery. Read Romans 7:1-4.
"Where there are prophesies they will cease. Where there are tongues they will be stilled. For we know in part (under Old Testament the full mysteries of Christ were not fully revealed). And we prophesy in part, but when completion comes, what was only in part will disappear. But faith, hope, and love remain." We now have the complete bible and no longer need prophets to tell us what God says. We now have Christ (perfection) and we no longer need the old law ( the physical way). "For what the law was powerless to do, in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending His Son to be a sin offering. He therefore condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us who do not live according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."
