So what about the fourth commandment?

[Zmouth]

It is not just churchy, it is scripture. In the Old Testament God wrote His laws on stone tablets, but in the New Testament God says He will write His laws on our hearts and minds- one is physical, the other spiritual.

Sorry but Jeremiah is not the New Testatment:

In Jeremiah it is written that the LORD said "for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
It also written in Jeremiah , "I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Just like in the Old Testament David physically killed his tens of thousands, but in the New Testament our battles change from physical to spiritual- just read Ephesians chapter 6. This is not churchy man made doctrine, this is biblical truth. When is the last time you paid for something with an animal instead of money, or took someone out of the city and stoned them to death?

So you are saying that in 70 A.D. the Jews were not physically killed but spiritually killed by the Romans.

Where do you think money comes from trees? It comes from the fish in the sea. Matt 17:27

So if Jesus walked on water then how could the baptise him within submerging him under the water, and if he was submerged under the water then how could he walk on water?

 

[crossnote]

Mike, my last word. Many here have been on the same road you are on now. You seemed hardened in your belief, hopefully the Lord grants you understanding in the matter.

 

[gotime]

Jesus died on the cross for our sins praise God.

But did he die to change the fact that he is the creator?

Did He die to take away his blessings?

Did He die to make common what He set apart for Holy Use?

The fourth word of God in Exodus 20 is a reminder that the Sabbath is to be kept holy.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


And the reason why is spelled out for us:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Because God rested on the seventh day after he created for six days. and that is when He blessed it and made it holy.

There is no other place where God did this. It was done at the beginning before sin even existed as it is written:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


There is no question then of the origin of the Sabbath. There is no question on when it was given and when it was blessed and made holy for holy use.

Did Jesus die to destroy things he established before sin came into the world?

For those who get confused keep in mind there are two types of Sabbaths. There is this one which happens every week on the 7th day. and there are Sabbaths which God enjoined to the feasts which were based in salvation, to do with sacrifice and sanctification. These ones were added later and were shadows of Christ the true lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

This is not the case for the 7th day Sabbath instituted at the beginning before sin.

Jesus is still the creator:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

The 7th day Sabbath is a memorial to this fact that Jesus created the heavens and the earth. This is still true to this day and will always and forever be true.

Blessings.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Who said the keeping the law is for salvation. Certainly not me. Salvation came by promise through Abraham's seed.

Because if your are teaching it as a requirement, then it is for salvation. Otherwise, what if you don't the keep the law? We who are following Christ are continuing in the process of being made holy (sanctification) as we continue in our walk with Christ. You on the other hand are presenting a list of-- do this, don't do that. We are not under the law what-so-ever. Why do yo circumvent all of the scriptures that are presented to you and bring it right back around to a works based salvation. And don't say that you're not, because whenever you present a requirement, it is for the purpose of gaining favor with God by those works.

My faith in Christ as the One who provided salvation for me by the shedding of His blood is my salvation, period. Now I am being sanctified by the Holy Spirit as I continue in my walk with Christ. Jesus fulfilled the law and met its righteous requirements and nailed it to the cross as finished.

As the scripture states, that husband (the law) is dead to me and now I belong to another. I'm not going to trade the grace of God in for the works of the law. This was and still is Israel's error. Jesus came to fulfill the law, i.e. bring it to its completion. He did not come to perpetuate the law.

 

[disciplemike]

Mike, my last word. Many here have been on the same road you are on now. You seemed hardened in your belief, hopefully the Lord grants you understanding in the matter.

O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and
[things] wherein [there is] no profit. Jeremiah 16:19 (KJV)

 

[BeyondET]

How's does counting to seven equate to 27th day in Hebrew

 

[disciplemike]

Because if your are teaching it as a requirement, then it is for salvation. Otherwise, what if you don't the keep the law? We who are following Christ are continuing in the process of being made holy (sanctification) as we continue in our walk with Christ. You on the other hand are presenting a list of-- do this, don't do that. We are not under the law what-so-ever. Why do yo circumvent all of the scriptures that are presented to you and bring it right back around to a works based salvation. And don't say that you're not, because whenever you present a requirement, it is for the purpose of gaining favor with God by those works.

My faith in Christ as the One who provided salvation for me by the shedding of His blood is my salvation, period. Now I am being sanctified by the Holy Spirit as I continue in my walk with Christ. Jesus fulfilled the law and met its righteous requirements and nailed it to the cross as finished.

As the scripture states, that husband (the law) is dead to me and now I belong to another. I'm not going to trade the grace of God in for the works of the law. This was and still is Israel's error. Jesus came to fulfill the law, i.e. bring it to its completion. He did not come to perpetuate the law.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach
[them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19 (KJV)

 

[Trail-of-Truth]

Sorry but Jeremiah is not the New Testatment:

In Jeremiah it is written that the LORD said "for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
It also written in Jeremiah , "I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."





So you are saying that in 70 A.D. the Jews were not physically killed but spiritually killed by the Romans.

Where do you think money comes from trees? It comes from the fish in the sea. Matt 17:27

So if Jesus walked on water then how could the baptise him within submerging him under the water, and if he was submerged under the water then how could he walk on water?

We are spiritual beings in physical bodies, so of course the spiritual things we do come out in physical form. The best way I can describe the difference is comparing David's physical battles to Ephesians 6. Or, man made instruments- piano, guitar, etc, but the instrument God made is our voice. When we sing from the heart it is a spiritual thing, but does come from a physical voice box.

If I gave my daughter a list, which said... "Pick up the bathroom towel, hang it on the rack, then pick up your clothes, put them in the hamper..." She is following my directions, but I am the motor. But if she helps out around the house because she loves me and wants to help, she will do all that and more, because the motor motivating her to do so is in her heart, not on a list. God wrote His laws on tablets then, but writes them on our hearts now. We fulfill the law spiritually instead of physically following a list.

 

[BeyondET]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach
[them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19 (KJV)

And your theory about counting to seven is flawed doesn't line up with the lunisolar used in Hebrew.

 

[gotime]

This is not rocket science.

The fourth word of God is:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Its a reminder. But where is its source?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God does not leave us to guess or surmise. It was blessed and set apart as a holy day after the first 6 days of Creation.

The Sabbath here spoken of is no shadow but rather a memorial of a finished work. Namely creation, Jesus is the creator.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach
[them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19 (KJV)

This scripture is not supporting your cause. What it is saying is, don't think that I have come to put the law aside. I have not come to put aside, but to fulfill it i.e. meet its requirements and bring it to its completion. Once he did that, the law was satisfied. Its done! Over with! Jesus fulfilled everyone of those jot's and tittle's. Also, we who teaching grace are not teaching anyone to break the commandments. We are teaching that we are under a different covenant of salvation apart from the law.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments"

Oops! We already do break the least of the commandments and so are you, which is why Jesus came. Now what? Or are you going to tell me that you keep the law of Moses perfectly?

 

[disciplemike]

This scripture is not supporting your cause. What it is saying is, don't think that I have come to put the law aside. I have not come to put aside, but to fulfill it i.e. meet its requirements and bring it to its completion. Once he did that, the law was satisfied. Its done! Over with! Jesus fulfilled everyone of those jot's and tittle's. Also, we who teaching grace are not teaching anyone to break the commandments. We are teaching that we are under a different covenant of salvation apart from the law.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments"

Oops! We already do break the least of the commandments and so are you, which is why Jesus came. Now what? Or are you going to tell me that you keep the law of Moses perfectly?

has heaven and earth passed away?
so you are saying He didn't come to destroy the law, but to cancel out the law? wow.

 

[BeyondET]

This is not rocket science.

The fourth word of God is:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Its a reminder. But where is its source?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God does not leave us to guess or surmise. It was blessed and set apart as a holy day after the first 6 days of Creation.

The Sabbath here spoken of is no shadow but rather a memorial of a finished work. Namely creation, Jesus is the creator.

i agree and in Genesis the signs for seasons, days, weeks, months, years, was to be used there after but also to remember which day was set aside. Clearly in my opinion those haven't been counted correctly since it all was created thus Jesus is who we put our trust in and do the best we can to keep it no matter which calander a person uses he understands the delema man is in as the correct dates and time from the beginning of creation.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

well now, I am not yet dealing with the guy on the island who does not have a Bible. I am concerned about lazy Christians who won't study the one they have.

Ah, Mike...I thought you were sincere. But I come back to see you are quite full of yourself. I will check back in a few months to see if you have learned any humility from our Lord. You do a great job of commending yourself though. You are quite industrious and we are lazy. Man, I sure don't want to see the fall that comes from your pride but the best thing I can do for you is pray for it. I'll look for your posts from time to time to see if He has dealt with your pride to see when conversation with you will be possible.

 

[BeyondET]

has heaven and earth passed away?
so you are saying He didn't come to destroy the law, but to cancel out the law? wow.

huh didn't know the passing away of heaven and earth was a Ten Commandment.

 

[gotime]

i agree and in Genesis the signs for seasons, days, weeks, months, years, was to be used there after but also to remember which day was set aside. Clearly in my opinion those haven't been counted correctly since it all was created thus Jesus is who we put our trust in and do the best we can to keep it no matter which calander a person uses he understands the delema man is in as the correct dates and time from the beginning of creation.

The blessing is that we don't need to guess which day is the 7th. God knows and he reminded Israel when He took them as his own treasure. God reminded them not man. So God would have established the right day. This has been kept from Israel to this day. The day named Saturday is the 7th. our calendars confirm this. History confirms this.

Jesus confirmed this. So we don't have to guess. Dates have changed often in the past but the 7 day cycle has not changed. The 7th remains the 7th but only the date itself has changed.

 

[Zmouth]

not really my friend, that was later on the forth day, a flashlight puts off light doesn't make it a sun light.
Just as the light created in the beginning doesn't mean that is sun light.

Just like the Commandments, are there not twelves hours in a day?

If anyone walks in the day they stumble not because they see the light of this world, but if anyone walks in the night and stumbles it is because there is no light in them.

So if you are trying to say that the light created on day one that is called Day is not the visible white light emitted from the planet we call the Sun then let me guess you think it was the Son of God that was created, then you obviously you don't fail to grasp the principle of eternal God who is light.

 

[Ahwatukee]

has heaven and earth passed away?
so you are saying He didn't come to destroy the law, but to cancel out the law? wow.

No, you misquote me. I said that Jesus met the requirements of the law bringing it to its fulfillment. He did not come to perpetuate the law i.e. to keep it going, but to bring it to its fulfillment.

 

[disciplemike]

Ah, Mike...I thought you were sincere. But I come back to see you are quite full of yourself. I will check back in a few months to see if you have learned any humility from our Lord. You do a great job of commending yourself though. You are quite industrious and we are lazy. Man, I sure don't want to see the fall that comes from your pride but the best thing I can do for you is pray for it. I'll look for your posts from time to time to see if He has dealt with your pride to see when conversation with you will be possible.

Hmm, maybe I left out the "we" are too lazy to study. I think more frustration than pride, but you might be somewhat right. I don't mean to come across that way. Have a good evening.

 

[disciplemike]

No, you misquote me. I said that Jesus met the requirements of the law bringing it to its fulfillment. He did not come to perpetuate the law i.e. to keep it going, but to bring it to its fulfillment.

after He fulfilled it, did He cancel it? or postpone it? or throw it out? or say it still stands? what are you saying?