Fundamentalist Thread

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After all, G-d's time is not ours. G-d used man to write the Scriptures and He had man write the Scriptures in such a way that man could understand

Man cant understand anything witten in the word without God. The Holy Spirit. Its not for private interpretation and the fleshlt man cant understand it because it is LIFE, only God can reveal it. Man without God is DEAD
 

Red_Tory

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RoboOp, how old do you think the earth is?

Sorry, I didn't read the other pages so I'm not sure if you've already answered this...
 

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Hi there Red_Tory, all you need to read is my first post. I believe in a literal six-day creation. It logically follows from that that the earth is around 5,000 years old (not millions).

And for flyboy and whoever let me restate the reason for the original post here:

RoboOp said:
Reason for post: It seems that we have some anti-fundamentalists using this site so I just wanted to make it clear that the admin and moderator team (and I hope the majority of users, I hope) are indeed Bible-believing fundamentalists (and we don't want our site to be represented by fundamentalist-bashers who don't believe the Bible).
I think it's pretty clear -- I want to make clear what the administration of this site believe.

If anyone thinks that we don't allow more liberal views then they obviiously haven't read other threads (or even other posts in this thread!). :) And that's the whole reason I made my post, to make clear what we believe, so that hopefully we and our site would not be so represented (in doctrine) by the more liberal posts. There is indeed a lot of freedom on this site and I'm exercising the same freedom to make clear what I/we believe.

I see nothing wrong with my simple post. Some actually appreciated it :D

Lastly, I think it most certainly does matter whether or not we believe the part of the Bible that says that Jonah was swallowed by a great fish. 'Coz if we don't, then that's an indication that we have a problem believing the Bible in general, and that in itself is indeed a problem (if we're calling ourselves believers). And again, I was reacting to some fundamentalist-bashing, by simply saying that I'm proud to believe all these fundamentalist extremist points of the Bible.
 
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i think some people may take it the wrong way even i was thinking "dont you want people with different views on your site" but if that was the case im sure many post threads and users wont be here
 

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Oh ya.. being a fundamentalist doesn't mean being crazy or out of your mind. Believing scripture to be God's Word.. accurate, inspired is backed up by truckloads of historical research and evidence.

Jesus being God

6 day creation and the world being 6-10,000 years old..

the virgin birth

etc

can be reasoned out using logic and historical research..

we won't get complete understanding for sure.. because the supernatural is involved.. but we can eliminate possibilities that aren't supernatural.. eg.. Jesus not dieing on the cross but merely swooning... Jesus not claiming divinity.. the story of the Ark being impossible...

these kind of conclusions are not actually backed up by sound, logical, reasoned research and thinking.
 
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I dont think its about not wanting the seeking in our threads. I think its written more in concern for those who post and show their spiritual status as Christian but deny some of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity. What better way to turn people away from Christ than to deceive & use professed Christians drawn into misunderstanding about issues like sanctification of the heart & those they speak to think that they know something because they quote a whole lot of scripture flood the forums with posts that sound like someone who sits right at the foot of Jesus. This thread was for folks like you to KNOW Zavok that there is ONE way to the father. Jesus Christ and anything posted in here contrary is a subtle but salvation stealing deception that many are being sucked into with the whole New Age movement. Its infiltrating our Churches too... cause its sounds real good and gushy that everyone who's basically more good than bad should go to heaven cause they have a good heart. I would love that cause I've got so many that I'm seriously concerned about but I know. I know the instant I received the Lord I found out it has NOTHING to do with me & nothing can compare to that and I can never in words adequately explain spiritual rebirth. So no this thread was not directed at unbelievers, except to advise them the way to the Father. It was more directed at the Christians who have come to a place where they think that maybe the the word of God is no longer relevant & in this they would be in err. I am however making a whole lot of assumptions based on my recent experiences in here, Robo can absolutely correct me if I'm wrong for it is not my place to put words in Robo's mouth, just trying to explain it to you zavok. You are welcome here for sure zavok. :D
 

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Thank you Imoss... well zavok, flyboy and whoever.. I mean, we tolerate all kinds of posts/views/opinions here........ so why not tolerate my radical fundamentalist extremist post? :D (not that it really is that radical -- it's just the Bible!) :D
 

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PL: that was not one of my 12 points. What was one of my 12 points was a literal six-day creation. (Genesis 1)

But if you do believe in a literal six-day creation, with the first man being Adam (created on the sixth day), and follow the genealogies and add up all the ages (and maybe estimate where you need to estimate), you'll come up with something on the order of 5,000 (so I'm told). It could be double that; I don't know. But there's no way you can believe a literal six-day creation, with the genealogies in the Bible, and come up with millions of years from creation to now.
 
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Amen RoboOp,
these people in the bible were hundreds of years old, but not millions. That is just ridiculus that people think that God did not create our world. We see the creation every day.
Creation implies a creator, our LORD
It is sad to see how deluded people are.
 
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Lordardan, I never said I didn't believe God is responsible for the creation of the Earth. I was simply asking Robo to explain his position.

I do acknowledge Yahweh as the divine force behind the creation of the universe, but I don't buy into the literal 6 day creation. I believe the word 'day' was simply used a a metaphor for 'era' or 'phase'.
 
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I can't really see the problem with 6 days being way to explain it/ a metaphor ... what abut revelation, is everything there literal too? including the riders?
 
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I can't really see the problem with 6 days being way to explain it/ a metaphor ... what abut revelation, is everything there literal too? including the riders?
Yes, the Bible is litteral.
Or would you also claim that Jesus and his actions are a metaphor and not actually happened?
 
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no, but I haven't yet met any Christian who believes that in the end time there will come four horesemen sweeping from heaven
 

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Genesis and Revelation are 2 different type Literature, they are of a different genre.

Revelation is Apocalyptic which is highly symbolic, much like early Jewish Apocalyptic writings. you cannot compare the two on a basis of literary genre.
 
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I thought a day to god is like a thousand years was in your bible, I think another passage states a day in heaven is like 10,000 years or something am I not correct in saying this?

this would actually make the 6 days to be of a not so literal stance there....

also, when Adam (as) and Eve(sa) had sons to whom did they marry? do you all believe that the sons of a prophet committed incest (nauthobillah)? or are you all beleieving in the possibility that the earth was already inhabited at the time of the fall and that there were daughters here that they married to, that were not from Adam (as) and Eve's (sa) loins..... makeing Adam (as) and Eve (sa) a basically different breed of human altogether....

what do Chrstians say about this?
 

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Hi there Red_Tory, all you need to read is my first post. I believe in a literal six-day creation. It logically follows from that that the earth is around 5,000 years old (not millions).

And for flyboy and whoever let me restate the reason for the original post here:


I think it's pretty clear -- I want to make clear what the administration of this site believe.


So the earth is only 5,000 years old, yet there was a flood that killed all but eight people on the planet? How were these eight people able to reestablish entire civilisations, great empires and dynasties, different races on the other side of the globe etc. in just a few centuries?
 
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So the earth is only 5,000 years old, yet there was a flood that killed all but eight people on the planet? How were these eight people able to reestablish entire civilisations, great empires and dynasties, different races on the other side of the globe etc. in just a few centuries?
You can get quite far in 3000 years :D It grows exponential...
 

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It's not just the population growth... It's the establishment of civilisation on a truly global scale. Eight people survived a global catastrophe only to go on and found Chinese dynasties, Native tribes and great societies in North and South America, each of these things with a distinct culture, political structure etc. just a few hundred years later?

Doesn't the fact that there are different races around the world indicate some kind of adaptation over a longer period of time?
 
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I understand what you mean. Actually, I can't answer that. I suppose it has to be possible, since I believe that the Bible is literally correct.

My brains stop at a certain point. I think this is such a point :D :D

How do you see it?