So what about the fourth commandment?

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Yes they have been trusted with the very words of God... but keep reading...

Romans 3:9What then? Are we Jews[SUP]a[/SUP] any better off?[SUP]b[/SUP] No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.

19Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20For by works of the law no human being[SUP]c[/SUP] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

The Jews are under the law.
Gentiles are under the law of their own heart. (Romans 2)

21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:

So the "oracles of God" were given to bear witness to the righteousness of God apart from the law, not through the law. This is a key distinction. So yes, the Jews are blessed, because they are the example and witness of our need for a Savior.

29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

Notice Paul saying that whether circumcised or not circumcised we are justified through faith. It is here that Paul puts Gentiles and Jews on equal ground. All are in Christ. And in Christ there is no male, female, Jew or Greek (Gentile).

Let's go on to Chapter 4... Upholding the Law through Faith...

9Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness.

Notice Paul is attaching circumcised (Jews) with uncircumcised (Gentiles). How does he attach them? Through faith. And through faith. Righteousness.

11He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised.

Now, here Paul drives his point home. Circumcision did not create righteousness, it was proof of righteousness because of his faith. It is the seal of righteousness through faith rather than the cause of righteousness.

The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

Okay so you have to get this, it's so beautiful, Abraham was made to be the Father of ALL. Those who are Jews and those who are not Jews. Why Abraham though?

13For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.

Why is this KEY? Because Abraham was not given the Law. Moses was.

23But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, 24but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, 25who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

So the words it was counted to him as righteousness, is actually written to us as well. We who believe in Him who raised Jesus and us in Him. Who was delivered for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

Okay this is key. All the things that made us an enemy of God, Jesus took on Him and died, and then every promise in Christ? He took on Him and received us in Him so we might be JUSTIFIED before God. To be justified as something outside of Christ? Is filthy rags, we need a wedding garment.

Romans 5

1Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we[SUP]a[/SUP] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Where people trip us in the "through our Lord Jesus Christ". This is actually pointing us to the "In Christ" reality which I have continually stressed and showed Paul stressing. It is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And where is Paul? His life is hid in Christ. To understand this, we must understand that Christ is the Truth, Way, and Life to the Father. All things move, exist, and have their being in Him, we are actually in Christ if we are believer. And because we are in Him, we have eternal life. He is the mediator that has brought us to peace with God.

This reality takes us back to the beginning of it all with God, Adam, Eve, and a serpent.

Will we choose the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil or the Tree of Life?

But God surely doesn't want you to be like Him... He knows if you eat from the tree of knowledge....

Does knowledge make you like Him or does Faith? Are you still trying to cover yourselves with fig leaves (religion) or are you letting yourself be covered by His righteousness (Christ)? Are you the older brother or the younger brother? Will you lose your life to find it? Will you die to sin? Will you live to God?

C.

prove-all said:

prove-all · Jul 4, 2016

But after years of trial and test—after finally wrestling all night
with the angel (Genesis 32:24-29)after confessing his name as “supplanter”

God bestowed His blessing upon Jacob, and took away
his reproachful name, and gave him a new, untainted name,

Israel—which means “prevailer,” or “overcomer with God.”
God appeared to Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. Gen35:11

through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,
the promises were handed down to one man at a time

-

The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let [my name]
be named on them, and [the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac];
and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

1 Chronicles 16:17 (KJV)
And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Psalms 105:10 (KJV)
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Psalms 78:5 (KJV)
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel,
which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:

Isaiah 42:24 (KJV)
Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord,
he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways,
neither were they obedient unto his law.

-

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great
in the kingdom of heaven.

prove-all · Jul 4, 2016

the New Covenant validates God's laws by putting them right into
the minds and hearts of true Christians!

Jesus "magnified" God's law (Isaiah 42:21) and made it honorable.

He taught that Christians are not to murder,
and must not even harbor an attitude of hate (Matthew 5:21–24)

Jesus showed the proper way to keep the Sabbath

Christ came "to confirm the promises made to the fathers" (Romans 15:8).
He outlined the terms and conditions of the New Covenant, saying:
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God" (Luke 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3).

As He explained: "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God
has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass
away than for one tittle of the law to fail" (Luke 16:16–17).

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Do you want me to go through these Scriptures you are posting or is this a waste of both of our time?

For instance, we exist by every word that PROCEEDS out of the Mouth of God. This is the living, active, relationship with Holy Spirit who declares the things given to Him Jesus Christ. Notice it doesn't say proceeded. These are not the things He said, but is saying. A lot of people trip up on this.

But regardless, is this any benefit to you, or are we just wasting each others time? I wrote out a huge post, but when people don't reply to things I say, I begin to think I'm wasting both our time.

On the other hand, when you post Scripture to me, I try to reply to each one, or at least show you how they do not apply in the New Covenant.

Example: in your Scripture about the least being those who do not keep the entire law, notice it's only written in Matthew which was written to the Jews. Any idea why? This is actually big key to this Scripture. Because it is actually Jesus reprimanding the Pharisees for telling people the law, but not keeping it fully themselves. But why don't we see this same idea in the epistles or the other gospels? Hmmm...

C.

prove-all said:

posthuman · Jul 4, 2016

Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
(Hebrews 7:11-14)

how can it be true that as Christ said, not one jot or tittle will pass away from the law until all has been fulfilled, but as this scripture says, there has been a change in the law?

how can it be true that we uphold the law, though we are also no longer under it, and have died concerning it, and no longer serve according to it, but by the spirit?

discover this, and you will discover why there is no more condemnation for anyone who is in Christ, and why the one who considers one day above others and the one who considers all days alike are both honoring God and keeping His commandment, so long as they are not condemned by their own conscience.

understand this, and you will know how it is that love fulfills every apart of the law, even in people who have no knowledge of the law. meditate on this and you will comprehend the purpose of the sabbath: that men will know that it is Jah who sanctifies.

Zmouth · Jul 4, 2016

Cee said:

Do you want me to go through these Scriptures you are posting or is this a waste of both of our time?

For instance, we exist by every word that PROCEEDS out of the Mouth of God. This is the living, active, relationship with Holy Spirit who declares the things given to Him Jesus Christ. Notice it doesn't say proceeded. These are not the things He said, but is saying. A lot of people trip up on this.

But regardless, is this any benefit to you, or are we just wasting each others time? I wrote out a huge post, but when people don't reply to things I say, I begin to think I'm wasting both our time.

On the other hand, when you post Scripture to me, I try to reply to each one, or at least show you how they do not apply in the New Covenant.

Example: in your Scripture about the least being those who do not keep the entire law, notice it's only written in Matthew which was written to the Jews. Any idea why? This is actually big key to this Scripture. Because it is actually Jesus reprimanding the Pharisees for telling people the law, but not keeping it fully themselves. But why don't we see this same idea in the epistles or the other gospels? Hmmm...

C.

Matthew 4:4 says he answered and said it is written so the Word was already written before Him.

Can you show one thing done in the New Testament that wasn't already done in the OT?

Zmouth · Jul 4, 2016

prove-all said:

Deut 8:3
that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Zmouth said:

Of course it was, but knowing which Scripture for each situation exists in the realm of Holy Spirit.

And Jesus said this:

John 16:12

12“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

C.

prove-all · Jul 4, 2016

what does the bible say about Knowledge?

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psalms 19:9
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever:
the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

Deuteronomy 10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God,
to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and
with all thy soul

Isaiah 29:13
Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

2 Kings 17:34
Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the Lord, neither do they
after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which
the Lord commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

-

Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light;
and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:
and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord,
that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Psalms 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: [a good understanding]
have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way,
and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Isaiah 33:6
And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times,
and strength of salvation: the fear of the Lord is his treasure.

Proverbs 1:29
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

Proverbs 15:33
The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Isaiah 11:2
And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

Isaiah 11:3
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall
not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

2 Chronicles 19:7
Wherefore now let the fear of the Lord be upon you; take heed and do it:
for there is no iniquity with the Lord our God, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts.

Proverbs 2:5
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord,
and find the knowledge of God.

Psalms 25:14
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him;
and he will shew them his covenant.

Psalms 34:9
O fear the Lord, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge:
but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
-

Hosea 3:5
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God,
and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in [the latter days].

-
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy:
for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

-

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one sabbath to another, shall [all flesh] come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Zmouth said:

Please explain your question a bit?

Yes the prophets foretold of this day, because God tells His prophets first.
And the OT was given to us as an example of righteousness apart from the law.
I wrote a huge post about this.

But let's see here, so Jesus comes and the Pharisees missed Him. Why?

Here's an example for you though:

8None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9But, as it is written,“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—
10these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.[SUP]d[/SUP]
14The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

OT says we can't understand the things of God and what He has prepared for us.

Paul says, actually we can, because we have the mind of Christ.

C.
[HR][/HR]

Zmouth · Jul 4, 2016

" But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."
John 8:40

So he clearly says he is a man that was telling the truth which he heard of God, so if Jesus is God then what didn't Abraham do, tell the truth or heard of God?

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Quoting Old Testament which is a different covenant to try to understand the New Testament covenant can be tricky.

Old Covenant was between God and the Jews.
It said they had to follow the law.
But it was given so they might know their inability to follow it.
And actually needing Him.

New Covenant is between God and Christ.
It is from Abraham the Father of Faith.
We enter in through Christ by dying to our self.
The truth is though that even the OT was between Christ and God.
But it was only through faith in God that they received it.
This is the rest that was available, but that they didn't enter in.

The Spirit of God is now one with us, not in a single temple.
Christ was the temple of flesh that was torn in two.
Now that God is no longer counting trespasses against us.
We can be reconciled to Him through Christ.
We have been given the ministry of reconciliation.

C.

prove-all said:

what does the bible say about Knowledge?

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psalms 19:9
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever:
the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

Deuteronomy 10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God,
to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and
with all thy soul

Isaiah 29:13
Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

2 Kings 17:34
Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the Lord, neither do they
after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which
the Lord commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

-

Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light;
and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:
and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord,
that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Psalms 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: [a good understanding]
have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way,
and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Isaiah 33:6
And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times,
and strength of salvation: the fear of the Lord is his treasure.

Proverbs 1:29
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

Proverbs 15:33
The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Isaiah 11:2
And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

Isaiah 11:3
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall
not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

2 Chronicles 19:7
Wherefore now let the fear of the Lord be upon you; take heed and do it:
for there is no iniquity with the Lord our God, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts.

Proverbs 2:5
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord,
and find the knowledge of God.

Psalms 25:14
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him;
and he will shew them his covenant.

Psalms 34:9
O fear the Lord, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge:
but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
-

Hosea 3:5
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God,
and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in [the latter days].

-
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy:
for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

-

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one sabbath to another, shall [all flesh] come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Abraham didn't try to kill a man for telling the truth.

39They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did.

Zmouth said:

Zmouth · Jul 4, 2016

Cee said:

Okay let's address the apostleship of Paul

Acts 9:26-27
26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.

It is written that Jesus had stated that no man hath seen the Father at any time, save he was of God he hath seen the Father so did Paul see the Father? The reason I ask is that Paul writes in the Epistle of 1 Tim 2:3-5

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

He seems to refute Jesus testimony that God was the Father and that He and the Father were one.

Zmouth · Jul 4, 2016

Cee said:

Gen 20:2-3
2 And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.
3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.

prove-all · Jul 4, 2016

In the seventh chapter of the book of Daniel, the 25th verse of this prophecy,
it is stated that this hierarchy shall “think to change times and laws.”
Students of prophecy recognize this “little horn” as a great religious hierarchy.

Out of the original Roman Empire, symbolized by 10 “horns” growing out of the head
of a “beast,” are pictured the 10 resurrections of the Roman Empire that have continued
since its fall to the present, and are scheduled to continue until the coming of Christ.

How Time Was Changed

This same power is mentioned again in the 17th chapter of Revelation, here pictured
as ruling over the kings and kingdoms of the Earth, persecuting the true saints.

In every possible manner, this power has changed time!
God begins the days at sunset, but “the little horn” has changed it so the world now
begins the day in the middle of the night by a man-made watch.

God begins the week with the ending of the true Sabbath, the seventh day of the week,
but the world begins the working week in the middle of the night, the second day of the week.

God begins the months with the new moons, but this “little horn” has induced the world
to begin the months according to a clumsy man-made calendar of heathen origin.

God begins the year in the early spring, when new life is budding in nature everywhere,
but ancient heathen Rome caused the world to begin the year in the middle of dead winter.

God gave His children a true rest day, designed to keep them continually in the knowledge
and true worship of the true God—a memorial of God’s creation—the seventh day of the week.

But the “little horn” has fastened upon a deluded world the observance of the days
on which the pagans worshipped the sun, the first day of the week, called Sunday.

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

No man has seen the Father, but men are able to see the Son.

John 14:8Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

Paul stresses this same reality here:

Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

John pens it like this:

1 John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.

C.

Zmouth said:

Zmouth · Jul 4, 2016

prove-all said:

In the seventh chapter of the book of Daniel, the 25th verse of this prophecy,
it is stated that this hierarchy shall “think to change times and laws.”
Students of prophecy recognize this “little horn” as a great religious hierarchy.

Out of the original Roman Empire, symbolized by 10 “horns” growing out of the head
of a “beast,” are pictured the 10 resurrections of the Roman Empire that have continued
since its fall to the present, and are scheduled to continue until the coming of Christ.

How Time Was Changed

This same power is mentioned again in the 17th chapter of Revelation, here pictured
as ruling over the kings and kingdoms of the Earth, persecuting the true saints.

In every possible manner, this power has changed time!
God begins the days at sunset, but “the little horn” has changed it so the world now
begins the day in the middle of the night by a man-made watch.

God begins the week with the ending of the true Sabbath, the seventh day of the week,
but the world begins the working week in the middle of the night, the second day of the week.

God begins the months with the new moons, but this “little horn” has induced the world
to begin the months according to a clumsy man-made calendar of heathen origin.

God begins the year in the early spring, when new life is budding in nature everywhere,
but ancient heathen Rome caused the world to begin the year in the middle of dead winter.

God gave His children a true rest day, designed to keep them continually in the knowledge
and true worship of the true God—a memorial of God’s creation—the seventh day of the week.

But the “little horn” has fastened upon a deluded world the observance of the days
on which the pagans worshipped the sun, the first day of the week, called Sunday.

Of course the Ruler tells the prophets first because they are the ones who go out amongst those in the Kings territory and tell them what the King has said since at the time of the Moses man didn't have the ability to communicate using the written spoken word.

Ex 7:1-2
7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
2 Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
KJV

posthuman · Jul 4, 2016

Zmouth said:

really?

take it up with Peter.

Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
(2 Peter 2:14-16)

any reading of the NT makes it clear that attacking the apostleship of Paul was not uncommon among Judaizers & other perverters of the gospel. but Christ Himself called Paul ((Acts 9 -- so take it up with Luke, and with Christ, too))

really?

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Zmouth said:

God says he is dead man because God is the one who is about to kill him. Keep reading.

But Abimelech didn't know better so God warned him first.

How does this have any relation to Abraham killing a man for telling the truth?

C.

So what about the fourth commandment?

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