So what about the fourth commandment?

[TonyJay]

of course you can worship every day. that is a wonderful answer. However, you just destroyed the word "holy". Holy means "set apart". Now if you everything the same way every day, then none of them are holy. They are all the same. But wait, God called the 7th day "holy". He says it is His Sabbath. It is better than the other 6 days.

Why don't you look up the word "better" in Romans, and Hebrews.
You are in for a big shock!
As for holy, as believers we are holy.

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
(Rom 12:1-2)

And that is worship!
On any particular day?
No!
Instead, ALL the time.

v2 is also worth meditating on....

 

[disciplemike]

ok some people have to work on Saturday and Sunday and a lot of times that is what people have to do to earn a living and may not be able to find or get hired for those Monday through Friday jobs what then how would someone in this case set aside a holy day.

that is a choice people have to make. unfortunately, what most people in the western culture call "making a living" means having a lot of stuff. I guess it is a matter of priorities. I have been through this exact situation. My boss asked me to work Saturdays a few times, but I respectfully declined. So far, I still have a job. Now with that said, there are certain emergency/medical type jobs that have to be done on Shabbat. Yeshua healed many times on the Sabbath. He said, it is legal to do good on the Sabbath.

 

[disciplemike]

Why don't you look up the word "better" in Romans, and Hebrews.
You are in for a big shock!
As for holy, as believers we are holy.

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
(Rom 12:1-2)

And that is worship!
On any particular day?
No!
Instead, ALL the time.

v2 is also worth meditating on....

if you are holy, then you are set apart for God. it means you are not like other people. you are different, peculiar. Do you see that? If a day is holy, it can't be like the others. I hope you can see that.

 

[Cee]

ok, answer this. If the law is not for me, as a believer, which commandments am I allowed to break freely? all of them? Can I steal from my neighbor, take his wife... murder his mother-in-law?

What about loving others is keeping the entire law isn't clear to you?

Is stealing loving? No.
Is taking a wife? No
Is murdering? No

The LAW was given so people would know they needed a Savior, but it did not contain the power to follow it. Every SINGLE person in the OT was saved through faith. Not through faith in the law. And not through keeping the law.

Why do you think Paul said, ALL have fallen short? Every single person has fallen short in keeping the law. And you think you can do it? Yes we keep the law, but we EXCEED the righteousness of the Pharisees. You know the people who devoted their entire lives to keeping the law! Look my friend, do you remember when Jesus compared the Sheep and the Goats? What did He say? What was the difference between the Sheep and the Goats?

As far as quoting Proverbs? Doctrine first off means teaching. But now we have a TEACHER. His name is Holy Spirit. He lives inside of you, say Hi Holy Spirit.

Now back to the OT: This gives us an example about doing. But what does the NT teach? We need to rest in Christ. Guess who didn't rest in Christ? Guess who didn't come to Christ, but instead said to Moses you be our mediator!

Did you realize that the law was never given to you? Oh I know that's a huge shock. But Scripture is clear. We come in through Abraham. And the ol Father of Faith wasn't given the law.

Did you notice that Moses didn't enter the promise land? The law isn't allowed in.

Why because God wrote His law on our hearts and our minds. That mean He's not telling us who we are not but who we are. He couldn't do this of course until Christ came and then we became reborn in Him.

Did you notice that Jesus said that Moses would testify AGAINST them? Because Moses pointed to Jesus! Why is this important because Pharisees believed they were good to go because they had been given the law. Sound familiar?

Do you remember how Paul said he counted everything rubbish in comparison to knowing Christ? Guess who didn't say that? Pharisees.

Do you remember how Paul said that the new glory exceeds the former glory? Pointing to the Spirit of Christ that now dwells in us?

Do you know why Paul says we fall from GRACE if we try to keep the law? Because we don't want to replace His ability with our ability. What do you think Paul means when he says he died to himself, but was reborn in Christ? And not him lived but Christ in Him? Christ is the fulfillment of the law.

But the fulfillment of the law is that God loves you. And that because God loves you, He did what you can't. He gave you freedom. And now with your freedom, you get to choose to love Him by loving people.

Unless of course you don't believe you've been forgiven, and then we shall love little.

P.S. The Old Covenant was between God and the Jews. Yes we can still learn from God through it. And yes we can still discover more about Him, but the Scripture is clear. Now God lives in us not in a temple that requires continual sacrifices. Because Jesus is and was the perfect sacrifice. What does that mean? It means even all the blood of bulls, goats, etc pointed to Christ. There is only one Man who could ever keep the law perfectly, and He is God.

But this isn't about you proving your worth to Him, Adam and Eve hid because they were ashamed of their nakedness, what did God do? He covered them. With what? Animal skin. How do you get animal? You kill it. First death in the Bible covered their sin. Who died from the foundation of the world? Jesus Christ, the perfect Lamb.

When God pointed to their action, Adam blamed the woman and ultimately God. But now we understand what love cost our Father. It cost Him everything. And this reality, transforms our hearts, to the goodness and kindness of God and we repent (turn) to Him.

Romans 8:15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."


C.

 

[disciplemike]

Please! The name "Jesus" is just the English transliteration of the Hebrew term Yeshua, just as "Iésous" is the Greek transliteration, which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation"). Since they are all transliterated from the Hebrew term, then they have the same meaning as what they are transliterated from.

no, it does not work like that. nice try though.

 

[disciplemike]

What about loving others is keeping the entire law isn't clear to you?

Is stealing loving? No.
Is taking a wife? No
Is murdering? No

okay, I am not taking the huge post, not all at once. I am dealing with a dozen other people right now.
but do you know what the Holy Spirt, your teacher, is for?
to teach you to obey God's commandments. That's right. That is Scripture.

 

[TonyJay]

if you are holy, then you are set apart for God. it means you are not like other people. you are different, peculiar. Do you see that? If a day is holy, it can't be like the others. I hope you can see that.

Of course.

However the point is that every day is holy for the purpose of worshipping God.
Can you not see that?

 

[disciplemike]

Of course.

However the point is that every day is holy for the purpose of worshipping God.
Can you not see that?

you are not reading. to say "every day is holy" is an oxymoron. Holy means set apart, different from others. You can't have every day holy. If every day is the same, then none of them are set apart as different.

 

[disciplemike]

Why don't you look up the word "better" in Romans, and Hebrews.
You are in for a big shock!
As for holy, as believers we are holy.

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
(Rom 12:1-2)

And that is worship!
On any particular day?
No!
Instead, ALL the time.

v2 is also worth meditating on....

If you want to conform to the will of God, then you would of course want to guard the day that He chose as holy.

 

[TonyJay]

you are not reading. to say "every day is holy" is an oxymoron. Holy means set apart, different from others. You can't have every day holy. If every day is the same, then none of them are set apart as different.

OK, I could say the same thing of you.

Perhaps you could explain on which day or days Rom 12:1 does or doesn't apply?

 

[BeyondET]

Please! The name "Jesus" is just the English transliteration of the Hebrew term Yeshua, just as "Iésous" is the Greek transliteration, which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation"). Since they are all transliterated from the Hebrew term, then they have the same meaning as what they are transliterated from.

his thinking of the name Jesus in Hebrew means horse which it doesn't horse in Hebrew is sus-soos pronounce in English.

 

[disciplemike]

OK, I could say the same thing of you.

Perhaps you could explain on which day or days Rom 12:1 does or doesn't apply?

holy, in Hebrew is "Kodesh" which means, a sacred place or thing, sanctity, apartness.
Let's say you own a Porche, a Mustang, and a Dodge Challenger. You say my Porche is for when I date my girlfriend only. and then you say, my mustang is for when I date my girlfriend only. and then you say, my Dodge Challenger if for when I date my girlfriend only. Do you see the pattern? One of them is not set apart for dating your girlfriend, if you use them all the same way.

 

[BeyondET]

that is a choice people have to make. unfortunately, what most people in the western culture call "making a living" means having a lot of stuff. I guess it is a matter of priorities. I have been through this exact situation. My boss asked me to work Saturdays a few times, but I respectfully declined. So far, I still have a job. Now with that said, there are certain emergency/medical type jobs that have to be done on Shabbat. Yeshua healed many times on the Sabbath. He said, it is legal to do good on the Sabbath.

No it means food on your table rent basic other needs you really think everyone in America has a lot of stuff your kidding me right? there all kinds of jobs in America that require people to work on those days and there isn't no way out unless a person quits or finds another job that doesn't and that's easier said then done. Maybe your Boss still employs you but other people in this world don't have it lucky you.

 

[TonyJay]

holy, in Hebrew is "Kodesh" which means, a sacred place or thing, sanctity, apartness.
Let's say you own a Porche, a Mustang, and a Dodge Challenger. You say my Porche is for when I date my girlfriend only. and then you say, my mustang is for when I date my girlfriend only. and then you say, my Dodge Challenger if for when I date my girlfriend only. Do you see the pattern? One of them is not set apart for dating your girlfriend, if you use them all the same way.

I think that you still need to answer my question...

 

[disciplemike]

No it means food on your table rent basic other needs you really think everyone in America has a lot of stuff your kidding me right? there all kinds of jobs in America that require people to work on those days and there isn't no way out unless a person quits or finds another job that doesn't and that's easier said then done. Maybe your Boss still employs you but other people in this world don't have it lucky you.

I don't mean to say it is easy. I mean, here in America, we have a lousy interpretation of "making a living". How can I say that? I have been to other countries where they live with almost no money. Do you know the crazy thing about that? Most of the time, they appear to be very happy.

 

[Cee]

Where in Scripture does it say that? Holy Spirit is given to teach you to obey God's commandments?

Anyways at this point, I'm not trying to convince you, be convinced in your own heart.

C.

What about loving others is keeping the entire law isn't clear to you?

Is stealing loving? No.
Is taking a wife? No
Is murdering? No

okay, I am not taking the huge post, not all at once. I am dealing with a dozen other people right now.
but do you know what the Holy Spirt, your teacher, is for?
to teach you to obey God's commandments. That's right. That is Scripture.

 

[disciplemike]

I think that you still need to answer my question...

brother I am trying. okay, you tell me, what does holy mean? if you say every day is holy, what does that mean?

 

[disciplemike]

Where in Scripture does it say that? Holy Spirit is given to teach you to obey God's commandments?

Anyways at this point, I'm not trying to convince you, be convinced in your own heart.

C.

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do
[them]. Ezekiel 36:26-27 (KJV)

 

[BeyondET]

I don't mean to say it is easy. I mean, here in America, we have a lousy interpretation of "making a living". How can I say that? I have been to other countries where they live with almost no money. Do you know the crazy thing about that? Most of the time, they appear to be very happy.

It happens here to as well people living on scraps though yes it's not a whole country living on scraps because those other governments are corrupted or run by warlords.

 

[disciplemike]

It happens here to as well people living on scraps though yes it's not a whole country living on scraps because those other governments are corrupted or run by warlords.

I am just saying that you don't necessarily have to have all the things in life. we want things, I know. me too. These days, I am wondering, which is really the right way? to work and have house, car, groceries, phones, putters, etc, ?