So what about the fourth commandment?

Karraster · Jul 4, 2016

You most certainly are not alone. Keep the faith brother, as the world is not growing friendlier, quite the opposite. Confusion will continue to grow, and if it were possible decieve the very elect! (Matt 24:24)

May I ask, what woke you up? For me it was that verse~Rom.10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

We have all been decieved. It's very scary to realize the extent. Surely I am still decieved in many things, but halliluYah He has given me a love for the truth and is showing me daily.

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

The time of reformation is Jesus bringing a new covenant.
We come in under Jesus Christ who is an inheritor of the promise given to Abraham. Everything else you wrote in unclear to me.

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Jesus was. Buy He also healed those who realized who He was.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles, but Jesus came to the house of Israel.But ignoring one Scripture like the one posted leads you into error, your theology must all all of Scripture to be true.

disciplemike said:

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

You pretty much ignore all of Galatians and Romans for these ideas to be true. Here's a tip don't ignore Scripture. Even if it disagrees with your theology, when someone shows you a Scripture that goes against your theology, at least try to address and as much as possible let the Spirit speak to you through it. I've noticed people flat out ignore Scripture, my own theology has a few Scriptures that seem to come against it, but I have studied even those Scriptures out to understand the context, the Greek/Hebraic key ideas, and to reconcile it with the whole of Scripture. Not that I have it all figured out, but to flat out ignore Scripture is to have a lopsided theology.

garee · Jul 4, 2016

Karraster said:

Christ's disciples do not serve the oral traditions’of the fathers as commandment of men. God does not have a name like Tom, Dick or Harry to help distinguish himfrom other gods .All of the names in the bible are immutable attributesof God to include the word Jehovah . It simply means our everlasting savor. .

garee · Jul 4, 2016

Cee said:

The time of the reformation restored the order back to the Judges . Its what reformations do, restore .This is before there was any outward representative like a king or prince or a father, that a person could misplace there faith in by having the faith of Christ in respect to men and not the Spirit of Christ alone.

HS · Jul 4, 2016

disciplemike said:

Sorry about late reply been asleep. Nighttime in NZ. I didn't quite explain it correctly. The born again Jews need not follow the old law. The ten commandments are a good guideline to right or wrong whether you are Jew or Gentile.

disciplemike · Jul 4, 2016

Cee said:

You pretty much ignore all of Galatians and Romans for these ideas to be true.

No, I like all of Scripture. Here is an interesting verse from Shaul:
All scripture

[is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)

Keep in mind when Shaul wrote this to young Timothy that the New Testament was not even written yet.
doctrine! reproof! correction! instruction in righteousness! all in the Tanach!
However, we are glad to have the entire Bible. I am saved by grace through faith, and that not of myself. It is a gift from God. It is not by my works, so I have nothing to boast about. Now, I still want to learn and observe God's appointed times. As of right now, that makes me part of a very small group. So be it. Come Lord Yeshua!

disciplemike · Jul 4, 2016

Karraster said:

disciplemike said:

A few years back, while doing research for a class, I came across a guy on YouTube, teaching that we are suppose to observe the 7th day Sabbath. I dived into the topic for weeks, trying to refute his teaching. I could not. At that point, even though I was very comfortable in our friendly SUN-day church, I began to question why we do things, or don't do things. The journey began! Shalom to you my sister!

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Well at least we are in agreement there.

Here's an idea when we are trying to go wider in the things we can do for God. Many times it's an invitation to go deeper. David wanted to build him a temple, but He never asked for one built by human hands.

We are now His holy temple.

But let's maximize the depth of loving people. And maximize the depth of each Scripture so it pierces our hearts. And transforms us through the power of Holy Spirit from the inside out.

disciplemike said:

seed_time_harvest · Jul 4, 2016

disciplemike said:

The law Is GOD's perfect standard of righteousness and without JESUS fulfilling the law,we would not have been able to receive salvation by grace throgh faith.

None of the law was thrown out,Its just that no one but JESUS could fulfill the law.

Sounds like they would be saying,since GOD does not change and the same GOD that Inspired man to write the old covenant Is the same GOD that Inspired man to write the new testament,then we should try to fulfill the law and be under grace at the same time.

disciplemike · Jul 4, 2016

seed_time_harvest said:

The law Is GOD's perfect standard of righteousness and without JESUS fulfilling the law,we would not have been able to receive salvation by grace throgh faith.

None of the law was thrown out,Its just that no one but JESUS could fulfill the law.

Sounds like they would be saying,since GOD does not change and the same GOD that Inspired man to write the old covenant Is the same GOD that Inspired man to write the new testament,then we should try to fulfill the law and be under grace at the same time.[/QUOTe

look at it like this. if your earthly father loved vanilla ice cream. He loves for you to come and visit, even if you don't bring vanilla ice cream. Some people are saying it like, my father loves me, but I will never ever take vanilla ice cream again.

seed_time_harvest · Jul 4, 2016

disciplemike said:

seed_time_harvest said:

I understand,but GOD gave the law for a reason,those who are under grace have been accepted and although GOD loves everyone,HE would not be righteous and true If he accepted tainted Ice cream so to speak.

badger58 · Jul 4, 2016

garee said:

The name"Father" is what I address Him by, hey it worked for Jesus.
Be as little children.

posthuman · Jul 4, 2016

under Moses, the Jews worked for themselves six days, and set one day apart to cease from their own labors.

Jesus revealed to them that they should be doing God's work on the sabbath days - that simply refraining from dong anything was dishonoring the command. the Jews should have known this, because the priests under the law had been working every sabbath since the law was given; they did not dishonor it, because they were working not for themselves, but for God.

the sabbath, therefore, is not about "ceasing from labor" -- it is about ceasing from your labor.

Jesus left for our benefit - so that the Spirit could be sent, and to all men: first the Jew, and also the Gentile. the Spirit revealed to us that we should never work for ourselves - but on every day, work as though for the Lord. the Spirit teaches us to 'cease from our own labors' forever: on this day, "today," and in doing so to find rest in Him. for us now, who are not under law, and who serve by spirit, not by the letter, every day is as sabbath.

every day for us is peculiar, holy; set apart. we have all been made priests: and the priest did not do anything different on sabbath than they did on any other day; their whole lives were set apart: as are ours. therefore we uphold the law, though we ourselves are not under it by any means.

be convinced in your own mind. you cannot judge anyone over this, and no one should allow themselves to be judged over it.

disciplemike · Jul 4, 2016

posthuman said:

under Moses, the Jews worked for themselves six days, and set one day apart to cease from their own labors.

Jesus revealed to them that they should be doing God's work on the sabbath days - that simply refraining from dong anything was dishonoring the command. the Jews should have known this, because the priests under the law had been working every sabbath since the law was given; they did not dishonor it, because they were working not for themselves, but for God.

the sabbath, therefore, is not about "ceasing from labor" -- it is about ceasing from your labor.

Jesus left for our benefit - so that the Spirit could be sent, and to all men: first the Jew, and also the Gentile. the Spirit revealed to us that we should never work for ourselves - but on every day, work as though for the Lord. the Spirit teaches us to 'cease from our own labors' forever: on this day, "today," and in doing so to find rest in Him. for us now, who are not under law, and who serve by spirit, not by the letter, every day is as sabbath.

every day is peculiar; set apart. we have all been made priests: and the priest did not do anything different on sabbath than they did on any other day; their whole lives were set apart: as are ours. therefore we uphold the law, though we ourselves are not under it by any means.

be convinced in your own mind. you cannot judge anyone over this, and no one should allow themselves to be judged over it.

But the seventh day
[is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: Exodus 20:10 (KJV)

posthuman · Jul 4, 2016

disciplemike said:

are you listening? or hardening your heart.

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart,
as working for the Lord, not for human masters
(Colossians 3:23)

He has made us a kingdom, priests to His God and Father -
- to Him be the glory and the dominion to the ages of the ages.
Amen.
(Revelation 1:6)

Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. But if you had known what this means,
‘I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,’
you would not have condemned the innocent.
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.
(Matthew 12:5-8)

disciplemike · Jul 4, 2016

posthuman said:

are you listening? or hardening your heart.

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart,
as working for the Lord, not for human masters
(Colossians 3:23)

He has made us a kingdom, priests to His God and Father -
- to Him be the glory and the dominion to the ages of the ages.
Amen.
(Revelation 1:6)

Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. But if you had known what this means,
‘I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,’
you would not have condemned the innocent.
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.
(Matthew 12:5-8)

How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Matthew 12:12 (KJV)

posthuman · Jul 4, 2016

disciplemike said:

are you listening? or is Jah hardening your heart?

what did a priest under the baptism of Moses do differently on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day or the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] year or the 49[SUP]th [/SUP]than he did on any other day or year?

his entire life was holy: set apart.
He has made us a royal priesthood. our spiritual act of worship is a living freewill offering: our entire lives, which are not our own - but Him living in us. which day for me then is not holy?

Cee · Jul 4, 2016

Jesus was talking to those under the law.
Are you still under the law?

disciplemike said:

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