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Magenta

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"Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and
power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!"
 
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The most solid evidence I have that proves I'm saved and have the Holy Spirit is the word of God. God's word tells me when I believed upon the gospel of Jesus Christ I was saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. The word of God is my assurance.
Yes and the Word of God tells us the following.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(Luke 6:43) “"No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.” Sin is rotten fruit, and God is not going to have rotten fruit in his Children.

(1John 3:8) “Whoever lives sinfully belongs to the devil, since the devil has been a sinner from the beginning. This was the purpose of the appearing of the Son of God, to undo the work of the devil.”
 

Blain

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Look up dissociative disorders. That's all this hyper grace stuff is. Split the person into two identities and discard one.
Growing up how I did all my life I was told how ugly I am how I will never amount to anything I was always told and seen as a loser a nobody a filthy wretched worm infested sinner and person and so I believed all this I was made sure I wouldn't even have the confidence to think I was smart enough to cook an egg and trust me I believed I was that dumb when I looked in the mirror I saw all that was said of me and much more but when I became a Christian God told me different he was the only one who ever believed in me who ever said I was anything else than what I was brainwashed to see and believe and he didn't do this with an audio voice he did this by speaking to my heart with words that had no sound but were very deep and profound.

And this last year alone I really wanted to begin believing what he said of me, how easy it is for me to see all of this when I look at others but I never could see this when I looked at myself and this past year alone I began noticing how when I looked in the mirror this is what I saw and felt and I knew why it was because I knew and was beginning to believe what he said and saw when he sees me and although I am not even close to fully believing it it is because I hear what he says and sees of me that I feel like I am seeing a stranger in the mirror
 

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Romans 10:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; [SUP]10 [/SUP]for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

I am a True Born Again Christian!
 
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What I like about you is that love just exudes from every one of your posts. Or maybe its control and fear mongering, hmmm, let me see now, love or fear mongering, decisions, decisions.

And another thing, you're not 81 years old. You're way too childish and not even remotely close to representing the long-standing maturity of an 81 year old. That makes you deceitful; a deceitful sinner.
When those who can’t rebuke the truth they don’t want to hear, they often begin to throw stones at the one sharing the truth.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”
 
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Romans 10:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; [SUP]10 [/SUP]for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

I am a True Born Again Christian!
Yes one is justified by faith in Jesus Christ our Lord and God, but one has to be in Jesus Christ to have faith.

You say to all your brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. I wonder if you understand what it means to be in Jesus.

Faith? Faith in Jesus? Then one has to be in Jesus is that not right?

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”


Believing of Jesus, and believing in Jesus are two different things.

When John says one is believing in Jesus, he is saying that one needs to be in Jesus to believe.

You need to read what John says about being in Jesus, or Jesus being in him or her.

(1 John 2:5-6) “But when anyone does obey what he has said, God's love comes to perfection in him." We can be sure that we are in God only when the one who claims to be living in him is living the same kind of life as Christ lived.” Jerusalem Bible

(1 John 2:6) The one who says that he abides in him must live the same way he himself lived. International Standard Version

John says this is how we know we are in him. One who sin can’t believe in Jesus, because they are not living as Jesus lived.

(1 John 3:9) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.” Jerusalem Bible
(1 John 3:9) “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” KJV


Here John says God is in one who does not sin. So Children of God are in God, and God is in them.

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

Here John says if one sins they don’t even know God. One can’t believe in someone they do not even know.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

Jesus told us what one needs to do to have God be in them. Keeping God’s Word includes not sinning.

The reason my argument does not make sense to most people, is because to understand God’s Word and come to know God his or her teacher needs to be God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-13) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God”
 

Blain

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When those who can’t rebuke the truth they don’t want to hear, they often begin to throw stones at the one sharing the truth.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”
I don't think what you are teaching is truth, it may be your truth but it has already been rebuked you simply refuse to accept it. in fact simply the fact you cannot say to me you are perfect and sinless alone proves your own view false
 
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My question was an earnest one ... not an attack.

It was meant to direct to the question at hand ...

Whereas your post to me here is clearly an attack.

I forgive you ...
She's been on CC for a long time and displays the essence of Jesus Christ all the time, yet you felt the need to question her. And you're right, I attack Pharisees, but you say your question was an earnest one, so I'll take you for your word and leave it at that.
 

Grandpa

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Galatians 5:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.


Why are we waiting for the hope of righteousness if we are perfectly sinless? Something doesn't quite jibe, does it?
 
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If I speak in the tongues[SUP][a][/SUP] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[SUP][b][/SUP] but do not have love, I gain nothing.[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. [SUP]5 [/SUP]It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Yes love is a gift from God, and to receive that Gift one has to first love God. Jesus told us what we need to do to prove we love him.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”
 

Magenta

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When those who can’t rebuke the truth they don’t want to hear, they often begin to throw stones at the one sharing the truth.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us... 1 John 1:8

If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
1 John 1:10
 

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It is only our faith in Christ that leads us to do as 1J3 says that saves us.. Having practiced sin and not fully making Christ your Lord will not gain you entrance..

Accept Him as Lord and savior, not just savior..
When Jesus entered He entered me FULLY. I don't make Him Lord, He is Lord.
 
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When those who can’t rebuke the truth they don’t want to hear, they often begin to throw stones at the one sharing the truth.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”
So you admit you're not 81, thus a deceitful sinner. I knew it.
 

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Yes, but Paul also says he could not move on to meat with them ...

1 COR 3

3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?

Perfection of the soul (not spirit) is a
process in Christ ....
A process fully completed at the resurrection of our bodies..while here...

Galatians 5:17 KJVS
[17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
 
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If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us...

If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
Yes people quote that part of John’s letter, and how they can do so without feeling totally dishonest, I sure don’t understand.

Do you believe John was telling those Children of God who can’t sin, that they need not tell anyone? Do you believe that John was saying they were liars if they shared they no longer sinned?

I don’t believe people, when they quote 1 John 1:8-10 they expect any intelligent person to use that as to believe everyone still sins.

(1 Corinthians 4:4-5) “True, my conscience does not reproach me at all, but that does not prove that I am acquitted: the Lord alone is my judge. There must be no passing of premature judgement. Leave that until the Lord comes: he will light up all that is hidden in the dark and reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts. Then will be the time for each one to have whatever praise he deserves, from God.”

Also the way you are reading John’s Word, it only say if one tells someone they no longer sin they are lying. So you don’t know what John is truly saying at all.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

(1 John 1: 8-10)[SUP] “[/SUP]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.”

If one reads the above scripture as you want to read it, then all it says is, if one says: he or she has no sin, then they are liars. Your understanding of the above scripture does not say one no longer sins.

Also rewriting scripture and adding habitually does not make any sense, because John said in the same letter the following scripture.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

Jesus did not just keep from habitually sinning. We can’t be in Jesus if we sin at all.

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

Notice John said anyone who lives in God does not sin. No way can one put habitually sinning in the scripture.

Also Jesus said that he would show himself to those who proved they love him by keeping his Commandments. Just how many of the people that just don’t habitually sin do you think have seen Jesus?
 

Blain

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So you admit you're not 81, thus a deceitful sinner. I knew it.
I fail to see how he admits he's not 81 here, and also for the record maturity in both as a person and in Christ is in no way limited by age. simply because he is 81 in age doesn't mean he is mature
 
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What I like about you is that love just exudes from every one of your posts. Or maybe its control and fear mongering, hmmm, let me see now, love or fear mongering, decisions, decisions.

And another thing, you're not 81 years old. You're way too childish and not even remotely close to representing the long-standing maturity of an 81 year old. That makes you deceitful; a deceitful sinner.
When those who can’t rebuke the truth they don’t want to hear, they often begin to throw stones at the one sharing the truth.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”
 

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Not in a playful mood today? lol :eek:
Neither was Paul at times :)

Galatians 1:8-9 KJVS
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

I was trying to be nice:rolleyes: guess I sinned, guess I'm lost.
 
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I fail to see how he admits he's not 81 here, and also for the record maturity in both as a person and in Christ is in no way limited by age. simply because he is 81 in age doesn't mean he is mature
He doesn't speak as a person who has achieved 81 years on this Earth. Trust me.