Shoot or don't shoot

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What would you do? Would you end up dead with fatherless children? These officers are faced with this every day, yet the armchair quarterbacks come out in full force. We need to support our officers and quit being knuckleheads.

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This is exactly why I don't understand why people think Sterling was wrongfully killed. Compliance is key. If you comply, you don't give any excuse for the officers to shoot you. If you resist and fight, you give cause for offensive force. Where the line is between reasonable offensive force and excessive force is another discussion though.

Also, to be fair, police officers have a lot more training than the reverend at neutralizing and disabling the suspect in a non lethal way. It's reasonable and no shock that to an untrained civilian role playing as a police officer will act the way he did. I would probably do the same exact thing.
 
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Voldemort said:
This is exactly why I don't understand why people think Sterling was wrongfully killed. Compliance is key. If you comply, you don't give any excuse for the officers to shoot you. If you resist and fight, you give cause for offensive force. Where the line is between reasonable offensive force and excessive force is another discussion though.

Also, to be fair, police officers have a lot more training than the reverend at neutralizing and disabling the suspect in a non lethal way. It's reasonable and no shock that to an untrained civilian role playing as a police officer will act the way he did. I would probably do the same exact thing.
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Precisely why protestors who are able bodied and want to make a difference should apply for the job, get trained and patrol in their own communities.
 
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Thankfully, I don't have children.

I've never been threatened , so I don't know what I'd do. ... but I do hope I'd be willing to die rather than kill.
(Well... I wouldn't have a weapon in the first place, so I wouldn't be able to kill anyway)
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
Thankfully, I don't have children.

I've never been threatened , so I don't know what I'd do. ... but I do hope I'd be willing to die rather than kill.
(Well... I wouldn't have a weapon in the first place, so I wouldn't be able to kill anyway)
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I don't know you, but if you were innocent, I'd pray you were able to kill before being killed. :(

I'm pro-life in the womb and out of the womb (against capital punishment), but if I saw someone unjustly attacking/about to kill you, I wouldn't hesitate to end the attackers life if that was the only alternative I was given. It's completely different if the person surrenders and is locked up. He/she is no longer a threat to the public.
 
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Police officers have a thousand up close and personal decisions to make at once and I bet less than one percent get on the force to shoot someone. Then you add on the fact that they are human beings with problems of their own at home and at work and with their inlaws or children etc etc.

The BLM is right, Black lives matter....they should just quit being children about it and do something that matters.

To be fair, I see that some have and are.
 
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It is sad that America has become a place where people are killing each other without any, I'd dare say, other reason than rage and fear. All this stuff going on now will only lead to more fear, more rage and more killings. I don't think I would have dared making groceries now without an "aide" in my purse, and that speaks volumes...
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
Thankfully, I don't have children.

I've never been threatened , so I don't know what I'd do. ... but I do hope I'd be willing to die rather than kill.
(Well... I wouldn't have a weapon in the first place, so I wouldn't be able to kill anyway)
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Would your loved ones (husband, children if you had them, etc.) feel the same way? And with no weapon, you might as well decide you're dead when you arrive for your work shift.
 
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Over here in Norway they are now debating whether to ban semi automatics or not. They've been debating this for years now, after that character shot 69 people back in 2011. Seems like it is not going to happen, folks dont approve of a ban. People think gun legislation in Europe is so much stricter than in the US, but yall come over to Norway, and learn that it isn't so:)
 
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The Pastor admitted that he now had a new perspective on this issue. He was a leading voice in protesting doing exactly what he did....he shot an unarmed man. I hope more people wake up and support our police....that is my prayer. I saw a picture of Sterling today...I think it speaks for itself.

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jennymae said:
Over here in Norway they are now debating whether to ban semi automatics or not. They've been debating this for years now, after that character shot 69 people back in 2011. Seems like it is not going to happen, folks dont approve of a ban. People think gun legislation in Europe is so much stricter than in the US, but yall come over to Norway, and learn that it isn't so:)
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I don't think this has anything to do with gun control. What the Dallas police chief said is truth. That we are asking police to do too much...to be fathers to fatherless children....to be mental health counselors etc etc. I fail to see how gun control can do anything to fix the problem....we need federal govt control and for communities to exercise their right to take responsibility for their own shortcomings. A good start would be for everyone calling on the media to give the right people a voice and turn the cameras off to the knot heads.
 
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I don't think this has anything to do with gun control. What the Dallas police chief said is truth. That we are asking police to do too much...to be fathers to fatherless children....to be mental health counselors etc etc. I fail to see how gun control can do anything to fix the problem....we need federal govt control and for communities to exercise their right to take responsibility for their own shortcomings. A good start would be for everyone calling on the media to give the right people a voice and turn the cameras off to the knot heads.
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Yeah, you're probably right, guess I was just another fast draw...lol
 
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jennymae said:
Yeah, you're probably right, guess I was just another fast draw...lol
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I don't even know who the lady is in your avatar btw. Is it her majesty the queen? :). Eleanor Roosevelt? I kinda wanna know now.
 
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I don't even know who the lady is in your avatar btw. Is it her majesty the queen? :). Eleanor Roosevelt? I kinda wanna know now.
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It's Varina Anne Davis:)
 
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The Pastor admitted that he now had a new perspective on this issue. He was a leading voice in protesting doing exactly what he did....he shot an unarmed man. I hope more people wake up and support our police....that is my prayer. I saw a picture of Sterling today...I think it speaks for itself.

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I think this kind of parenthood is a major part of the problem. (Or is that, LACK of parenthood?)

And that kid is now, what, a 14 year-old thug?
 
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I think this kind of parenthood is a major part of the problem. (Or is that, LACK of parenthood?)
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My thoughts exactly Willie. This innocent young life is being set up by his own "father" to die the same way he did. This is what I would like to see BLM protesting and calling out. Shame these fathers, cast them out of their communities. It can be done.
 
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My thoughts exactly Willie. This innocent young life is being set up by his own "father" to die the same way he did. This is what I would like to see BLM protesting and calling out. Shame these fathers, cast them out of their communities. It can be done.
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Instead, these same protesters protect them, and lie to the police for them.
 
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Willie-T said:
Instead, these same protesters protect them, and lie to the police for them.
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Some of it is probably fear...and that is understandable judging by this fella. I suspect that there are moral upstanding, young and old, men and women in the black neighborhoods that are doing the best they can without support. The mainstream media instead gives voice to the people you mentioned. It is insanity. You know what I do when a child has a temper tantrum? I turn my back to them....so should the media... and instead turn the cameras on good people who are making a difference in their communities.
 
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jennymae said:
Over here in Norway they are now debating whether to ban semi automatics or not. They've been debating this for years now, after that character shot 69 people back in 2011. Seems like it is not going to happen, folks dont approve of a ban. People think gun legislation in Europe is so much stricter than in the US, but yall come over to Norway, and learn that it isn't so:)
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Every firearm that is not fully automatic, is a semi automatic. So they will have to ban all firearms.
 
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