Dietary Laws?

miknik5 · Jul 11, 2016

Can you tell me what happened in Haggai 2 by GOD'S declaration to the earthly high priests and all the nations?
How can what was already declared unclean be made clean?

Can one eat and follow a strict dietary regiment according to GOD so that GOD will reverse HIS already declared words through the Prophet Haggai that all nations are unclean before HIM...and nevertheless and even so...HE would bless them?

So, who was GOD speaking to?
Those who were following the Law?
Or those who weren't?

Well?
Actually GOD said ALL NATIONS.
SO I guess it would apply to both

Ahwatukee · Jul 11, 2016

gotime said:

God is the one who says something is clean or not clean and that not based on the animal itself, because God said so.

"I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.

gotime · Jul 11, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Nothing you just said changes the fact that these meats that God said were unclean are still to this day diseased and not good for us. Like I said, you do what you want, eat what you want. You don't have to use the facts or common sense if you don't want.

God gives us wisdom we can reject it, God gives us help we can reject it. You can say what you want the fact remains.

I wont condemn you or judge you for your choice. Just saying it how it is.

Ahwatukee · Jul 11, 2016

"About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. hen a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

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In the scripture above, in the sheet that Peter saw was filled with many of the animals that, according to the law could not be eaten. Peter's reply: "Surely not, Lord! I have never eaten anything impure or unclean” is based on his knowledge of the law of clean and unclean. The scripture above has a double meaning to it. Under the law, a Jew could not come under the roof or eat with a Gentile, as they were deemed unclean by God. Also, according to the law, those animals, insects, birds and reptiles were deemed by God as unclean.

The scripture above carries with it a double meaning 1) God has deemed all food as clean and 2) Gentiles were also now deemed as clean by God and that because of the new covenant. It is God who deems something as being clean or not clean and that not based on the subject itself. Both Jew and Gentiles are human beings, being of the same flesh. But a Jew was deemed by God as clean, whereas a Gentile was deemed unclean and that not based on either of their physical make-up, but because God said so..

We are all free in Christ! Eat whatever your faith allows you eat, but be aware and considerate of other believers who are weak in faith.

miknik5 · Jul 11, 2016

I'm sorry. Can't the bride listen to her husband

gotime · Jul 11, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

"About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. hen a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

===================================================

In the scripture above, in the sheet that Peter saw was filled with many of the animals that, according to the law could not be eaten. Peter's reply: "Surely not, Lord! I have never eaten anything impure or unclean” is based on his knowledge of the law of clean and unclean. The scripture above has a double meaning to it. Under the law, a Jew could not come under the roof or eat with a Gentile, as they were deemed unclean by God. Also, according to the law, those animals, insects, birds and reptiles were deemed by God as unclean.

The scripture above carries with it a double meaning 1) God has deemed all food as clean and 2) Gentiles were also now deemed as clean by God and that because of the new covenant. It is God who deems something as being clean or not clean and that not based on the subject itself. Both Jew and Gentiles are human beings, being of the same flesh. But a Jew was deemed by God as clean, whereas a Gentile was deemed unclean and that not based on either of their physical make-up, but because God said so..

We are all free in Christ! Eat whatever your faith allows you eat, but be aware and considerate of other believers who are weak in faith.

I will stop now as I am in danger of becoming a fool.

DP · Jul 12, 2016

disciplemike said:

This has been debated many times here on this forum. The problem many brethren still appear to be having is thinking somehow God will cleanse unhealthy food if we just pray over it. And because of that attitude, many that make a habit of eating unhealthy are sick from it.

God did not change His creation. He created things like buzzards to cleanse the earth by eating dead carcase. The buzzard did not suddenly become something clean to eat by our Lord Jesus sacrifice upon the cross.

Trying to say the blanket of unclean animals God showed Peter was about God changing His list of clean and unclean meats is a false interpretation also. God was using the unclean animals as a symbol only, for the Gentiles, as proven by Peter's own words later...

Acts 10:28
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
KJV

That doesn't say "any animals" there does it? No! It would, if... the subject was really about the animals God showed Peter.

disciplemike · Jul 12, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

To say this vision is about making all foods clean is a private interpretation, because Scripture gives the correct interpretation when it says it is about people.
Think about this, Peter was a direct student of the Messiah. They had meals together many times. Do you think Messiah forgot to tell Peter that all foods are clean?

ukok102nak · Jul 12, 2016

BeyondET said:

:8) my brethren and to all my brothers and sisters
its the blood that is forbiden to eat literally
as it is written
:read:
Mateo: 26. 28.
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

... . as it signifies as someone who eats their own flesh and blood
like those people who practices incest religious act
and even those who defile their neighbors
:read: ( as it is written)

Genesis: 34. 5. And Jacob heard that he had defiled Dinah his daughter: now his sons were with his cattle in the field: and Jacob held his peace until they were come. 6. And Hamor the father of Shechem went out unto Jacob to commune with him. 7. And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter; which thing ought not to be done. 8. And Hamor communed with them, saying, The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter: I pray you give her him to wife. 9. And make ye marriages with us, and give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you. 10. And ye shall dwell with us: and the land shall be before you; dwell and trade ye therein, and get you possessions therein. 11. And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren, Let me find grace in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give. 12. Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife. 13. And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father deceitfully, and said, because he had defiled Dinah their sister: 14. And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us: 15. But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised; 16. Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people. 17. But if ye will not hearken unto us, to be circumcised; then will we take our daughter, and we will be gone. 18. And their words pleased Hamor, and Shechem Hamor's son. 19. And the young man deferred not to do the thing, because he had delight in Jacob's daughter: and he was more honourable than all the house of his father. 20. And Hamor and Shechem his son came unto the gate of their city, and communed with the men of their city, saying, 21. These men are peaceable with us; therefore let them dwell in the land, and trade therein; for the land, behold, it is large enough for them; let us take their daughters to us for wives, and let us give them our daughters. 22. Only herein will the men consent unto us for to dwell with us, to be one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised. 23. Shall not their cattle and their substance and every beast of theirs be ours? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us. 24. And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city. 25. And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males. 26. And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out. 27. The sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city, because they had defiled their sister. 28. They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their asses, and that which was in the city, and that which was in the field, 29. And all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive, and spoiled even all that was in the house. 30. And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.
31. And they said, Should he deal with our sister as with an harlot?
~;> HOPE THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN AGAIN
THATS WHY THE CIRCUMSION OF THE HEART AND EARS WERE ESTABLISHED
BECAUSE OF THIS

:rofl: FOR THEIR IS NO FLESH THAT HAS NO BLOOD LITERALLY
AND THE MEAT WHO HAS NO BLOOD THATS WHAT WE CALLED
A DOUBLE DEAD MEAT
ITS LIKE EATING AND EATING A MEAT THAT WERE DEAD
SINCE THE BIRTH OF CHRIST
FOR IF THERES FLESH THERES BLOOD
BUT I EAT THOSE MEATS AND BLOODS OF PORKS AND BEEFS
WHICH ARE COOKED AND NOT RAW MEATS
AND I PRAYED UNTO GOD FIRST TO MAKE IT CLEAN AND
SEPERATE IT UNTO THE UNCLEAN THINKING OF MINE

:haha: his a joker ol'right

. ... by the way
you sound like that

a brethrens of ours
when :smoke: told her before that you cant be one of us
she started to cry
but when she noticed that his cigar has no smoke
she shout at him and says
how come you smoke cigars but theirs no smoke at all
then he said unto her
havent you noticed before
that theres no good spirit in this man made cigar
thats why they called me :smoke:

... . then she become one of us

:ty:

godbless us all always

ukok102nak · Jul 12, 2016

hope everyone here could notice that
our brethren :rofl: is saying a spiritual with physical words
and also unto our brethren :8) where he states that
the blood is not meant to eat literally
and still thetss a spiritual side unto it
as it is written
:read:
Mateo: 8. 14.
And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
15. And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them.
16. When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

:scarf: also
as it is written
:read:
Mga Hebreo: 9. 19.
For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20. Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

:yawn: so as it is written
:read:
Tito: 3. 5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6. Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7. That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

:ty:

godbless us all always

ukok102nak · Jul 12, 2016

:rofl: hey

are we not going to eat now
to all our brethrens and brothers and sisters
believed it or not
we got to go
then we shall return after a couple of millinium dish
just start to read this scripture as my loved ones really loves this
verses
as it is written
:read:
1 Pedro: 1. 1. Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2. Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4. To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5. Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7. That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8. Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9. Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10. Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11. Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

:ty:

godbless us all always

disciplemike · Jul 12, 2016

ukok102nak said:

:rofl: hey

are we not going to eat now
to all our brethrens and brothers and sisters
believed it or not
we got to go
then we shall return after a couple of millinium dish
just start to read this scripture as my loved ones really loves this
verses
as it is written
:read:
1 Pedro: 1. 1. Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2. Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4. To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5. Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7. That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8. Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9. Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10. Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11. Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

:ty:

godbless us all always

Brother, I appreciate your posts, and I see your love for Scripture, but sometimes I can't figure out your point.

PeterJens · Jul 12, 2016

disciplemike said:

You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Acts 15:29

You are right there is a divide in the covenants.
The general view is the old covenant was a covenant of a nation and how to behave in
civil life, in governing a whole community.

The new covenant is a spiritual covenant which addresses the internal spiritual realities of
what it means to be pure, having communion with God and walking in His ways.

Jesus emphasised though unclean food is not good for you, in a real spiritual sense it does
not defile you, it is what comes out of the heart that defiles you.

So the question is as christians are we called to live spiritual and civil lives equally.
And the answer of the apostles is spiritual, with compromises over the civil realities.
Pauls argument is it is up to your conscience. If you feel bound by the dietry restrictions,
then amen, if not, then amen. Do not be a stumbling block to your brothers and sisters.

A good example of this is alcohol. If you are aware the damage alcohol does to peoples
lives and alcoholism is such a burden to many, being teetotal maybe the answer.

For me it is not a problem, and I will have a glass now and then. But I do see the issue.

PeterJens · Jul 12, 2016

disciplemike said:

There is an interesting irony here.
We are moving to a world that will probably become vegetarian out of necessity to feed the worlds population
and move away from meat and fish as a source of food.

If this is actually possible, I can see the blessing this will be to all. So much harm is done to animals
and unnecessary suffering. But I do not see this as a spiritual issue, just inevitable.

ukok102nak · Jul 12, 2016

disciplemike said:

:hrmm: indeed my breathren my brother
even i couldnt understand them
but this the least we can do by my partner here
as it is writen
:read:
1 Corinto: 9. 9. For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10. Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. 11. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? 12. If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. 13. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the alter are partakers with the alter? 14. Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. 15. But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void. 16. For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! 17. For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. 18. What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel. 19. For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. 20. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21. To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 22. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
~;> THIS IS ACCORDING TO SAULO ESTE PABLO AND WHAT WE MEANT IS
THE APOSTLE OF THE GENTILES

:ty:

godbless us all always

garee · Jul 12, 2016

What does that mean?

Christ’s finished works made the ceremonial food clean not the vision, God ‘s interpretation to us..It revealed to us because of the reformation they are clean . Its why he told Peter eat and not do not not eat.

The vision is scripture and therefore not a private interpretation. What you read is God’s interpretation so why would you call it a private revelation according to someone’s else interpretation other than God?

Who told you it was a private interpretation? Perhaps you should explain what you think a private interpretation is. I am sure its not anyone else but your own interpretation. Scripture informs us not to lean on our own private interpretations .

What do you think the reason was for ceremonial laws that where uses up until the time reformation? Or is the reformation a private interpretation also because it does not agree with yours?

Scripture, God's interpretation infallibly informs us that ceremonial laws were used as a parable translated pattern .Parables hide the spiritual meaning from those who refuse to mix faith in what they do hear coming from the word of God.

What is the spiritual meaning of eat flesh, drink blood of Christ which typified all of the fleshly laws ?

Which was a figure/parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.Heb 9:9

What does it stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation? Will you answer that question?

Are we still waiting for the refomation because Christ has not come in the flesh as the Jews believe? Or is the book Hebrews a private revelation also?

He told Peter in the vision .we don’t have to think . they are God’s thoughts ....just believe .

KohenMatt · Jul 12, 2016

hornetguy said:

What are you talking about? You obviously have confused me with someone else.

I did not start this thread. My 1st post in this thread was #69.

KohenMatt · Jul 12, 2016

miknik5 said:

[FONT=&quot]Deuteronomy 14:8
"The pig, because it divides the hoof but [/FONT]does not chew the cud, it is unclean for you. You shall not eat any of their flesh nor touch their carcasses."

ukok102nak · Jul 12, 2016

as it is written
:read:
Awit: 74. 10.
O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?
11. Why withdrawest thou thy hand, even thy right hand? pluck it out of thy bosom.
12. For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.
13. Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
14. Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

... . by the way our lord jssus christ the only begotten son of god
who is our savior when the time comes
is very different from this one ↓
for this is NOT THE JESUS WE ARE SPEAKING OF
as it is written
:read:
Mga Taga-Colosas: 4. 11. And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

:ty:

godbless us all always

KohenMatt · Jul 13, 2016

hornetguy said:

KohenMatt said:

Still wondering if hornet is going to recognize his mistakes clarify what he thinks I'm saying?

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