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Tintin
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Good stuff, sister. I am too, the question is when (probably sometime towards the end of this year).
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Good stuff, sister. I am too, the question is when (probably sometime towards the end of this year).
I am sure the odds of Nye becoming a Christian are no greater than mine were, God can and does save the worst among us, and I would know. Thank you Jesus!!
We could always pick a weekend and make it a CC meet up event Tin!! Wouldnt it be awesome if 40+ " CC'ers" showed up!! Lol. I nominate you as event chairperson.
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Tintin
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We could always pick a weekend and make it a CC meet up event Tin!! Wouldnt it be awesome if 40+ " CC'ers" showed up!! Lol. I nominate you as event chairperson.
Sounds good to me, but it might have to be in late-ish November. I'm thinking of going on the way home from my brother's wedding in Brazil.
Are you nominating me as even chairperson because I'm obsessed with biblical creation? Or because I'm an Aussie? Haha!
Sounds good to me, but it might have to be in late-ish November. I'm thinking of going on the way home from my brother's wedding in Brazil.
Neither..its because of your sharp wit, sparkling personality and super size heart Tin man!!
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Tintin
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Aw! Thanks so much!
I appreciate your kind words. I'll find out within the next few weeks when I'm going and then I'll make a thread and see if we can organise a CC catch-up there. 
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BeyondET
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Well the ark did hold all those deep cryogenic freezers with all the worlds animal DNA two by two lol...
Genesis 6:14 (ESV) Make yourself an ark of gopher wood. Make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark 300 cubits, its breadth 50 cubits, and its height 30 cubits. 16 Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above, and set the door of the ark in its side. Make it with lower, second, and third decks.
The above is the specs for the ark. It was 450 ft long, 75 ft wide, and 45 ft high. It was made of gopher wood. Gopher wood appears once in the scriptures and is not defined in the Hebrew. It is widely accepted to be either cedar or cypress.
It was covered (inside and out) with pitch. (Pitch, in Hebrew is an interesting word study that I will leave to you). It had three decks with approximately 15 ft between each. It was also covered by a roof that was approximately 18 in above the sides. There has been a lot of discussion about the 18 in space between the roof and the side. It also had only one door.
Noah, had the architect of the universe to guide his construction, gather the animals, and seal the ark for a year.
If you go to visit the Ark Encounter, and I recommend that you do, please keep in mind that this replica in no way resembles the actual ark. Imagine what the inside would look like with all the animals of the world in it at the same time. Only God could put them on the ark and keep them from tearing it apart, or killing each other.
The above is the specs for the ark. It was 450 ft long, 75 ft wide, and 45 ft high. It was made of gopher wood. Gopher wood appears once in the scriptures and is not defined in the Hebrew. It is widely accepted to be either cedar or cypress.
It was covered (inside and out) with pitch. (Pitch, in Hebrew is an interesting word study that I will leave to you). It had three decks with approximately 15 ft between each. It was also covered by a roof that was approximately 18 in above the sides. There has been a lot of discussion about the 18 in space between the roof and the side. It also had only one door.
Noah, had the architect of the universe to guide his construction, gather the animals, and seal the ark for a year.
If you go to visit the Ark Encounter, and I recommend that you do, please keep in mind that this replica in no way resembles the actual ark. Imagine what the inside would look like with all the animals of the world in it at the same time. Only God could put them on the ark and keep them from tearing it apart, or killing each other.
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LiJo
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I know and understand this.
I recently heard(and conversed briefly with) AiG staffer Dr Terry Mortenson(pic below). He made appearances at some Lutheran Churches and then went to North Dakota State University where he took on the questions of students who I am guessing were either skeptics or atheists.
Still interesting to me how Ham & Nye are considered so smart when neither of them has an earned degree beyond a B.S.
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Tintin
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I agree with you in part. The dimensions of the Ark are accurate, but naturally, this replica has a few modern additions (that are required by health and safety). Also, we must remember that this is a museum that speculates based on what the Bible says and extrapolates from there, based on a variety of academic disciplines. As for God keeping the animals from killing each other, that probably wasn't necessary. While we know that animals prior to the Great Flood killed and ate other animals etc. (from the fossil record), we know (from the Bible) that God only allowed animals and people to eat meat following the Great Flood.
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Tintin
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A year in a dark, damp, and uncomfortable environment. Imagine the noise. Imagine the smell. Imagine how tightly packed the animals and Noah's family were. How can you not believe that only God could make it possible for Noah and all the animals survive the entire period aboard the ark?
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Tintin
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Who's to say life on the Ark was dark and damp and uncomfortable? It may not have been super-comfortable, because it was basically a huge animal shelter, but they did have a window all along the top (for air flow and light) and the Ark was water-tight. And yes, the Ark probably was reasonably noisy at times and smelly too. The first 40 days and nights would've been especially difficult for Noah, his family and all of the animals. Were conditions cramped on the Ark? Not necessarily. Scientists have had educated guesses (based on a whole host of factors) that there were perhaps no more than several thousand animal and birds on the Ark. They would've filled one deck and there were three decks. At least one of the decks would've been used to store supplies for Noah, his family and all of the animals and crops to be grown after the Flood. There would've been sufficient room for Noah and his family. God definitely protected them all, but a miracle wasn't particularly necessary.
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is this one of those "correlation does not equal causation" things?
having a degree does not make a person particularly intelligent, and intelligent people may not have degrees?
disclaimer: the poster does not consider Mr. Nye to be at all wise.
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RachelBibleStudent
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to be fair i don't think either ham or nye purposely promoted themselves as experts...more like advocates or spokesmen...
actually the fact that both ham and nye had a similar level of education helped to ensure that their debate was relatively fair...
dr. mortenson who you mentioned is definitely an expert in his field though...i have several of his lectures on DVD...he is especially interested in how changing scientific ideas have influenced the church... he was also an editor on the book 'coming to grips with genesis' which i highly recommend...
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