Whats the deal with Catholics?

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Dear Katie Follower
I take thst to mean you have not found in Sacred Scripture where it ststes we are saved by faith alone.
We are indeed saved by Christ alone. Through him with Him in the unity of the Holy Spirit

Faith without works is dead. As you nicely pointed out. Sounds Catholic to me "" Gods blessings to you
 
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It does not matter what you say or teach DeaconMike because as long as the Catholics continue to Worship Mary as their God no Catholic will ever enter into Heaven.

Exodus 20:3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You shall not worship them or serve them

A statue of Mary is an Idol. A picture of Mary is an Idol. Praying the 'Hail Mary" is Worshiping Mary.

Again, NO Catholic who follows Mary will ever be allowed to enter into Heaven.

Before you go off on a tangent, having pictures of loved ones is not the same as having a picture of Mary and Praying to that picture. We do not pray to pictures of our family and friends.

Until the Catholics reject Mary and follow Jesus only, no Catholic will ever be allowed into Heaven.

Is this what you really want? Because this will happen to you as long as you continue to Pray and Worship Mary as a god.
 
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Dear DeaconMike

We are Saved by Grace only.

Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

We are saved by the Grace from God. Faith comes from God. Grace comes from God. Its by God we are Saved.

Faith without works is a dead faith, but the Faith the Holy Spirit is talking is not the Faith needed for Salvation. No where in this verse is Salvation mentioned.

We do not receive nor maintain our Salvation by Works and Faith.

This is where the Catholics error. Because they have been deceived by Satan into accepting "Works" as part of Salvation is why the Catholics try to keep on doing Works to maintain their Salvation.

But since the Catholics believe they receive Salvation when they were Baptized as babies, they never seek out their Salvation. Therefore all Catholics who rely on their Baptism have never received Salvation and will not be allowed to enter into Heaven.

Repent DeaconMike, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Reject Mary and follow God only. Do this and you too can be in Heaven with me. Otherwise, keep on your current path and regret it later.
 
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Dear Mec99
The Catholic Church teaches that we are saved by grace through faith not by works Eph 2

I quick check of the Catechism of the Cathoic Church will verify that for you. It's on line and free
We baptize babies for one reason only. Salvation is a gift that cannt be earned. Not even your faith can earn you salvation ( lest you could boast)
I have never read anywhere in Sacred Scripture where a child was turned away from bsptism because they weren't old enough. No altar calls thst I've seen in the NT. Lots of baptisms though
 
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Dear Mecc 99
Cathoilics venerate Mary. Mary is a creature just like you and me in need of a savior

We are all called to intercede for each other. Catholics believe that Heaven is not a dead place. If you think it is then you have an improvished view of salvation. As Rom 8 says nothing can seperste us from the love of God
Not even death
So the principle is simple
1. We are part of the Body of Christ.
2. Death does not seperate us from the love of God.
3. We are called to intercede for each other
4. Those in Heaven intercede for us as indicated in Rev 5 and elsewhere

Mary is a special intercessor for us because she had the unique role of being Jesus mother

The commandment is honor yiur father and Mother. Jesus honored his mother. He must have loved her tremendously

We are called to imitate Christ. I imagine we are doing just that when we ask Jesus mother to pray for us. Jesus did that. Why shouldn't we
 
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Dear God for Me

The Catholic Church has a Catechism on line for free. It would be wise before discussing What the Catholic Church teaches to look it up first. At least you would have an accurate true statement. It does no one any good to try and explain a teaching if they are not willing to first find out what the Church really teaches. The reason I know so much about Protestant doctrines is because I was one once and studied it. From the best Protestsnt sources.
Do the same and you will be able to critique the Church from an educated view. Just a suggestion
Peace
Hi Mike

The law of the fathers called the Catechism is another authority(anti) other than the word of God, as a oral tradition of men .
The Traditions of God and those of men never comes from the same on divine source, God.(Not the church)

The church is not in the place of God as if it was Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God. .

The law of the fathers #80 (traditions) found in the Catechism simply usurps the authority of God’s word making it to no effect. Scripture to a Catholic has no authority to teach unless it comes through the fathers, called apostolic succession.

We already know the results of that.
The book of Catholic law....One common source. . .

80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".41
I think you just have shown that faith working in charity in neccesssry for salvation. Which is of course the Catholic and biblical position. Remember. Faith without works is dead. It dousnt save. Period
Amen it is Christ work of faith that does save, it is not of ourselves. His faith is not without works.


So Yes, period. Faith is a work. There is no separation from what one believes (faith ) from the work it performs, as Christ works in us by faith to both will and do His good pleasure, we say Amen.
Christ’s labor of love is not without His work of faith.

Measuring faith by and through and therefore to the glory of the fathers (the venerable worship-able) and not Christ alone simply is to blaspheme the holy name by which we are called . when men put their faith in the fathers and not Christ alone we can understand why Christ called those kind of fathers as His nemesis; “a brood of vipers” .Viper giving us the idea of false prophecy; “ the oral traditions of the fathers” , through false prophets those kind of fathers .

We are clearly not to put our faith in men as if we needed them to teach us what the anointing Holy Spirit of Christ promised he would. He cannot lie If he says he will teach comfort and guide us we can take that to the bank.

One faith, the faith of Christ the righteousness which is of God by faith:The one person we measure his faith by and through to his glory . The church receives no glory but are the result of his,

Fill ye up then the "measure of your fathers".Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mat 23:32
 
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We are called to imitate Christ. I imagine we are doing just that when we ask Jesus mother to pray for us. Jesus did that. Why shouldn't we?
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words.Th 4:13

Those words should comfort a Christian not send a chill down ones spine as if a person was in the presence of a ghost.

So I would say other than she is asleep like all saints that leave this realm under the sun and therefore no longer has any part with any thing here, nothing, forever .

We are not to practice necromancy which is seeking after disembodied workers with familiar spirits as gods some men have before our Holy Father in heaven. The faith ,not seen discipline... is reserved for our Father in heaven alone .It is the one manner .Not manners as in more than one.

This is something that the Catholic must as as law of their father call these disembodied spirits (3500 and rising) patron saints . God calls it a abomination and gives us a warning in Isiah 8

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:19
 
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Dear garee

A couple of things. Firstly Sacred Scripture says faith is a gift from God. Eph 2:8 tells you that.
Second
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is s reference book. Not Divine revelation. A ststement of belief. Protestant creeds serve the same purpose.

However having said that, Scrioture never states that Sacred Scripture is the sole rule of authority. Scripture has lots of places where it states scripture is authoritive or " profitable"
But the only source is a diffrernt matter

In fact Jesus did not condemn all tradition just tradition contrary to Gods Law. In fact there are a number of places in Scripture that tell us to follow Sacred Tradition along with Sacred Scripture
The bible never states scripture is the sole rule of faith in authority. Simply not there
 

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What did the early Church teach and practice about baptism? In all the early Church documents we have, and there are lots, not one reference is made to "accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior and "your saved" Not one . In 1500 years of Church history.
Baptism, adult and infant, was and is considered to be the Sacrament of faith. We Become children of God. "born again" through the waters of baptism.
One key Scripture reference to being "born again" or "regenerated" is John 3:5, where Jesus says, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
This verse is so important that those who say baptism is just a symbol must deny that Jesus here refers to baptism. "Born again" Christians claim the "water" is the preached word of God.
But the early Christians uniformly identified this verse with baptism. Water baptism is the way, they said, that we are born again and receive new life—a fact that is supported elsewhere in Scripture (Rom. 6:3–4; Col. 2:12–13; Titus 3:5).
No Church Father referred to John 3:5 as anything other than water baptism.

Justin Martyr

"As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, and instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we pray and fast with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father . . . and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit [Matt. 28:19], they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Unless you are born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]" (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).

Irenaeus

"‘And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’" (Fragment 34 [A.D. 190]).

Tertullian

"[N]o one can attain salvation without baptism, especially in view of the declaration of the Lord, who says, ‘Unless a man shall be born of water, he shall not have life’" (Baptism 12:1 [A.D. 203]).

Hippolytus

"The Father of immortality sent the immortal Son and Word into the world, who came to man in order to wash him with water and the Spirit; and he, begetting us again to incorruption of soul and body, breathed into us the Spirit of life, and endued us with an incorruptible panoply. If, therefore, man has become immortal, he will also be God. And if he is made God by water and the Holy Spirit after the regeneration of the laver he is found to be also joint-heir with Christ after the resurrection from the dead. Wherefore I preach to this effect: Come, all ye kindreds of the nations, to the immortality of the baptism" (Discourse on the Holy Theophany 8 [A.D. 217]).

The Recognitions of Clement

"But you will perhaps say, ‘What does the baptism of water contribute toward the worship of God?’ In the first place, because that which has pleased God is fulfilled. In the second place, because when you are regenerated and born again of water and of God, the frailty of your former birth, which you have through men, is cut off, and so . . . you shall be able to attain salvation; but otherwise it is impossible. For thus has the true prophet [Jesus] testified to us with an oath: ‘Verily, I say to you, that unless a man is born again of water . . . he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’" (The Recognitions of Clement 6:9 [A.D. 221]).
Testimonies Concerning the Jews

"That unless a man have been baptized and born again, he cannot attain unto the kingdom of God. In the Gospel according to John: ‘Except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God’ [John 3:5]. . . . Also in the same place: ‘Unless ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye shall not have life in you’ [John 6:53]. That it is of small account to be baptized and to receive the Eucharist, unless one profit by it both in deeds and works" (Testimonies Concerning the Jews 3:2:25–26 [A.D. 240]).

Cyprian of Carthage

"[When] they receive also the baptism of the Church . . . then finally can they be fully sanctified and be the sons of God . . . since it is written, ‘Except a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God’" (Letters 71[72]:1 [A.D. 253]).

Council of Carthage VII

"And in the gospel our Lord Jesus Christ spoke with his divine voice, saying, ‘Except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’ . . . Unless therefore they receive saving baptism in the Catholic Church, which is one, they cannot be saved, but will be condemned with the carnal in the judgment of the Lord Christ" (Seventh Carthage [A.D. 256]).
Allow me to show you from scripture where salvation is required before water baptism.

Ac 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

When an infant can attest to believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God then the infant is eligible for water baptism.

Perhaps you can inform your church fathers that they are in conflict with the teaching of the bible.

Ac 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

blue_ladybug

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Absolutely nowhere in the bible does it say to imitate Christ. Imitate means to impersonate..
 
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Dear God for Me

The Catholic Church has a Catechism on line for free. It would be wise before discussing What the Catholic Church teaches to look it up first. At least you would have an accurate true statement. It does no one any good to try and explain a teaching if they are not willing to first find out what the Church really teaches. The reason I know so much about Protestant doctrines is because I was one once and studied it. From the best Protestsnt sources.
Do the same and you will be able to critique the Church from an educated view. Just a suggestion
Peace

I have been studying the Catholic church for some time, I have also proved many Catholic DRs and Professors' wrong with the Bible.
I know Catholics are a false religion who's doctrines aren't in the Bible, And you know the Catholic doctrines aren't in the Bible, That's why you say you believe the Bible AND traditions, You come against sola scriptura, because you know your teachings aren't in the Bible. If you knew your teachings were Biblical, you wouldn't add the "AND", to the [Believing the Bible AND traditions].
 
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Dear Mecc 99
Cathoilics venerate Mary. Mary is a creature just like you and me in need of a savior

We are all called to intercede for each other. Catholics believe that Heaven is not a dead place. If you think it is then you have an improvished view of salvation. As Rom 8 says nothing can seperste us from the love of God
Not even death
So the principle is simple
1. We are part of the Body of Christ.
2. Death does not seperate us from the love of God.
3. We are called to intercede for each other
4. Those in Heaven intercede for us as indicated in Rev 5 and elsewhere

Mary is a special intercessor for us because she had the unique role of being Jesus mother

The commandment is honor yiur father and Mother. Jesus honored his mother. He must have loved her tremendously

We are called to imitate Christ. I imagine we are doing just that when we ask Jesus mother to pray for us. Jesus did that. Why shouldn't we

The "Catholic Mary", Isn't the Biblical Mary, the Catholics believe Mary is God, [You must], Because you have 1000s of people praying to her from all over the world at the same time, So you must think she is omnipresent,[Making her God], She certainly is one of your gods, [Small g], Which comes from you pagan background.

The Bible says there is only ONE heavenly mediator, [JESUS], Not Mary or the departed saints.
 
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Dear Mecc 99
Cathoilics venerate Mary. Mary is a creature just like you and me in need of a savior

We are all called to intercede for each other. Catholics believe that Heaven is not a dead place. If you think it is then you have an improvished view of salvation. As Rom 8 says nothing can seperste us from the love of God
Not even death
So the principle is simple
1. We are part of the Body of Christ.
2. Death does not seperate us from the love of God.
3. We are called to intercede for each other
4. Those in Heaven intercede for us as indicated in Rev 5 and elsewhere

Mary is a special intercessor for us because she had the unique role of being Jesus mother

The commandment is honor yiur father and Mother. Jesus honored his mother. He must have loved her tremendously

We are called to imitate Christ. I imagine we are doing just that when we ask Jesus mother to pray for us. Jesus did that. Why shouldn't we


Please tell me where in the Bible Jesus single out Mary to pray for us?, I must have missed that scripture.
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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Absolutely nowhere in the bible does it say to imitate Christ. Imitate means to impersonate..
Imitate also means to [endeavor to] follow as a model or example. That's a big part of Christianity, right? To endeavor to be more like Christ?
 
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Dear garee
I posted a statement on soul sleep earlier. The saints in Heaven are very much aware and are all interceding for us at the throne of God as Rev 5 and Rev 8 shows.
You might want to think about the Trandfiguration with Christ speaking to Moses and Elijah. I'm sure Jesus didn't wake them up for a conversation and put them back to bed again. Don't buy into that junk.
 
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Dear Siberian Khartu
Check 1 Cor 11:1
" Be imitators of me just as I imitate Christ
Also
1 Thes 1:6
And you became imitators of us and of the Lord when you welcomed the message with the joy of the Holy Spirit

The Gr is mimetai it translates either to imitate or to follow. Same Gr word
 
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Dear God for Me
Interceding for someone ( praying for someone on their behalf) is whst Christians are called to do. When St Paul instructs us to intercede he dousnt those that can and cannot. We are all called to intercede. That includes Jesus' mother well.
 
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Dear God 4 me

I would ask you to find any Cstholic document from the Church thst states Catholics believe Mary is God
Good luck with that
 
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Dear God4 Me

I promise you will not have as good a luck with me