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The spider taketh hold with her hands,
and is in kings' palaces.
(Proverbs 30:28, KJV)
and is in kings' palaces.
(Proverbs 30:28, KJV)
"spider ((??))"
Strong's Hebrew 8079, "semamith"
definition: a lizard
usage in KJV: a spider
NAS concordance definition: a lizard.
Brown-Driver-Briggs definition: a lizard
The lizard you may grasp with the hands,
Yet it is in kings' palaces.
(Proverbs 30:28, NASB)
Yet it is in kings' palaces.
(Proverbs 30:28, NASB)
. . . and i love spiders. i really do. i wish it were so, that this word means "spider" -- but it is not. the KJV is in error here.
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And its been a little since I had surgery last so I don't think anything happening should be from that. At least I certainly hope not
What would one expect with multiple versions that contain different words and even different teachings.
And yet, you have nothing to defend. You hold nothing in your hands that your 100% confident enough in to defend.
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We were not looking for an argument here Sir.
I apologize if I caused any offence to you or your beliefs.
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I guess what I expect is that people, especially Christians would be able to have a civilized DISCUSSION in a mature and respectful manner.
I am not stating anything saying different versions teach or do not teach differently.
I apologize if I caused any confusion or offence
I think that some people can truly me ashamed of themselves on here. If Jesus would have taught like some people talk here not one person would have come to him. Stop being Pharisees and start seeing that we are supposed to be a functioning body that works together to stand before the Lord without blemish. Where is the loving our neighbor?
Where is the respect and love towards Gods commandments? People calling each other NAMES because of bible translations? Seriously? Then people wonder why people laugh at us Christians. If we cannot even love and respect and serve one another how are we supposed to serve those who dont believe in God?
Where is the respect and love towards Gods commandments? People calling each other NAMES because of bible translations? Seriously? Then people wonder why people laugh at us Christians. If we cannot even love and respect and serve one another how are we supposed to serve those who dont believe in God?
That's only your opinion. I've posted tons on this in another thread.
Proverbs 30:28 KJB -"the SPIDER taketh hold with her hands, and is in kings' palaces."Proverbs 30:28 ESV, NIV, NASB - "the LIZARD you can take in YOUR hands, yet it is in kings' palaces."
Agreeing with the SPIDER as found in the King James Bible are Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops's Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587 "The spider taketh holde with her handes, and is in Kings palaces.", Webster's translation 1833, the Lesser Bible 1853, the Boothroyd Bible 1853, The Jewish Family Bible 1864, Young's 1898, The Ancient Hebrew Bible 1907, the 1917 Jewish Publication Society version, 1936 Hebrew Publishing Company version, The Koster Scriptures 1998, The Complete Jewish Bible 1998, the NKJV 1982, the 1994 KJV 21st Century version, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, God's First Truth 1999, the Jewish translation called the Judaica Press Tanach 2004 also reads: "The SPIDER grasps with her hands, and she is in a king's palaces.", The Revised Geneva Bible 2005, English Jubilee Bible 2010, the 2012 Natural Israelite Bible - "The SPIDER skillfully grasps with its hands, And it is in kings' palaces.", the BRG Bible 2012, The Biblos Bible 2013, the Modern English Version 2014, and the brand new International Standard Version 2014 - "SPIDERS can be caught by the hand, yet they're found in kins' palaces."
But the spider becomes a LIZARD in the RSV, NASB, NIV, Common English bible and Holman Standard. Even Daniel Wallace notes in his NET bible version: "Older English versions, agreeing with Targum. Prov 30:28, translated this term as “spider.” But modern commentators FOLLOWING THE GREEK AND LATIN VERSIONS have “lizard.”
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I agree with you 110% Demi!
Did Jesus throw stones at the woman who committed adultry, or call the thieves on the cross names for what they had done?
Acting in this manner that some have portrayed sets a very bad example for not only Christianity but all of God's children.
No one should walk away from knowing God because His children show hate instead of love and that is what ends up happening when some decide to act out in a way other than with the kind of love Jesus showed.
Did Jesus throw stones at the woman who committed adultry, or call the thieves on the cross names for what they had done?
Acting in this manner that some have portrayed sets a very bad example for not only Christianity but all of God's children.
No one should walk away from knowing God because His children show hate instead of love and that is what ends up happening when some decide to act out in a way other than with the kind of love Jesus showed.
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Ah, Well it seems you have risen above it
Yeah seem to be doing well. Had the surgery and 4 rounds of chemo. Quit the chemo and now doing more natural.
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Interesting thought.
The modern KJV edition that you read from is probably not the 1611.
It's probably the Blayney edition of 1769.
There are more than 100,000 changes between these editions.
The 1611 edition of the KJV underwent various changes in 1613, 1629, 1638, 1762 and 1769.
Which edition of the KJV is perfect?
The Apocrypha was included in the 1611 version. Do you have it too?
If the 1611 KJV was infallible, and the KJV we have today is infallible, how could there be differences?
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You go on. I'm not going to this festival, because my time has not yet come."
You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.”
Go up to the feast on your own. I am not going up to this feast, because My time has not yet come."
You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for My time has not yet been fulfilled."
"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.
Go up to the festival yourselves. I'm not going up to the festival yet, because My time has not yet fully come."
Go up to the festival yourselves. I am not going to this festival yet, because my time hasn't fully come yet."
You go up to the feast yourselves. I am not going up to this feast because my time has not yet fully arrived."
“You go up to this feast; I am not going up now to this feast, because my time is not yet finished.”
Go to the festival. I'm not going to this festival right now. Now is not the right time for me to go."
“Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come.”
Go ye up unto this feast; I go not up yet unto this feast, for my time is not yet fulfilled.
Go you up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet fully come.
Go you up to this feast: I go not up yet to this feast: for my time is not yet full come.
Go ye up unto the feast: I go not up unto this feast; because my time is not yet fulfilled.
Go you up to this festival day, but I go not up to this festival day: because my time is not accomplished.
Ye, go ye up to this feast. I go not up to this feast, for my time is not yet fulfilled.
Go ye up unto the feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; because my time is not yet fulfilled.
Go ye up to this feast: I go not yet to this feast, for my time is not yet full come.
As for you, go up to the Festival. I do not now go up to this Festival, because my time is not yet fully come."
You go up to the feast. I am not yet going up to this feast, because my time is not yet fulfilled."
Ye -- go ye up to this feast; I do not yet go up to this feast, because my time hath not yet been fulfilled;'
rdbseekingafterhim,
You will note that in some of the ~bibles~ listed above, Jesus says he will not be going to the festival while in others Jesus says I will not yet go to the festival.
This discrepancy has led some unbelievers to say that Jesus lied and has given credibility to the belief that the bible has error(s).
So, yes - it matters what ~version~ you read.
Be Well
cavil
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JOHN 7:8
New International Version
You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come."New International Version
You go on. I'm not going to this festival, because my time has not yet come."
You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.”
Go up to the feast on your own. I am not going up to this feast, because My time has not yet come."
You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for My time has not yet been fulfilled."
"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.
Go up to the festival yourselves. I'm not going up to the festival yet, because My time has not yet fully come."
Go up to the festival yourselves. I am not going to this festival yet, because my time hasn't fully come yet."
You go up to the feast yourselves. I am not going up to this feast because my time has not yet fully arrived."
“You go up to this feast; I am not going up now to this feast, because my time is not yet finished.”
Go to the festival. I'm not going to this festival right now. Now is not the right time for me to go."
“Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come.”
Go ye up unto this feast; I go not up yet unto this feast, for my time is not yet fulfilled.
Go you up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet fully come.
Go you up to this feast: I go not up yet to this feast: for my time is not yet full come.
Go ye up unto the feast: I go not up unto this feast; because my time is not yet fulfilled.
Go you up to this festival day, but I go not up to this festival day: because my time is not accomplished.
Ye, go ye up to this feast. I go not up to this feast, for my time is not yet fulfilled.
Go ye up unto the feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; because my time is not yet fulfilled.
Go ye up to this feast: I go not yet to this feast, for my time is not yet full come.
As for you, go up to the Festival. I do not now go up to this Festival, because my time is not yet fully come."
You go up to the feast. I am not yet going up to this feast, because my time is not yet fulfilled."
Ye -- go ye up to this feast; I do not yet go up to this feast, because my time hath not yet been fulfilled;'
rdbseekingafterhim,
You will note that in some of the ~bibles~ listed above, Jesus says he will not be going to the festival while in others Jesus says I will not yet go to the festival.
This discrepancy has led some unbelievers to say that Jesus lied and has given credibility to the belief that the bible has error(s).
So, yes - it matters what ~version~ you read.
Be Well
cavil
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I like that. I totally agree that it does matter what bible translation you have. Which is it did He go up or not?
As it has been said before.......
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: