Dietary Laws?
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You should keep reading and see the final result of apostolic discussion:
"The apostles and elders...to the Gentile believers:
It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
Acts 15:28
So do not stand against apostles, elders and the Holy Spirit.
"The apostles and elders...to the Gentile believers:
It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
Acts 15:28
So do not stand against apostles, elders and the Holy Spirit.
It would seem that they read these verses selectively. And with little commonsense.
Do they really want to argue that the only expectation on Gentiles was those few things? So Gentiles can steal and kill and hate God as long as they don't fornicate etc.
But you have rightly shown that they expected that they would learn the law in the synagogues. And there are examples of Gentiles attending synagogues.
Are they not also aware that the Gentiles been spoken of here are already being taught things?
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
They are already converting, Do they assume that there has been no instruction yet?
Can the Gentiles convert without repenting? of course not. Thus they have been taught what sin is and to turn form it. Thus they have been instructed to stop disobeying the law as the law shows sin.
People need to start thinking more.
Do they really want to argue that the only expectation on Gentiles was those few things? So Gentiles can steal and kill and hate God as long as they don't fornicate etc.
But you have rightly shown that they expected that they would learn the law in the synagogues. And there are examples of Gentiles attending synagogues.
Are they not also aware that the Gentiles been spoken of here are already being taught things?
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
They are already converting, Do they assume that there has been no instruction yet?
Can the Gentiles convert without repenting? of course not. Thus they have been taught what sin is and to turn form it. Thus they have been instructed to stop disobeying the law as the law shows sin.
People need to start thinking more.
15:20 is before 15:28
15:20 is a record of the discussion
15:28 is the final result with the Holy Spirit authority
"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements"
Just keep it. Visiting synagogue will not change anything on this sentence.
You cannot burden a Christian with anything else from the Law. Its against the Holy Spirit.
15:20 is a record of the discussion
15:28 is the final result with the Holy Spirit authority
"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements"
Just keep it. Visiting synagogue will not change anything on this sentence.
You cannot burden a Christian with anything else from the Law. Its against the Holy Spirit.
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No. Because to love God, not to murder, not to steal, to love neighbour etc is valid with the Law or without the Law.
Many things from the Law are continuing in the New Covenant. Some are changed (love your enemy) and some are discontinued.
Its always like that, when you change one law code for another. Every time some things will stay, some will be changed and some will be deleted.
If you think you cant love God when the Law is not valid, how will you love Him in heaven? There is no Bible in heaven.
Many things from the Law are continuing in the New Covenant. Some are changed (love your enemy) and some are discontinued.
Its always like that, when you change one law code for another. Every time some things will stay, some will be changed and some will be deleted.
If you think you cant love God when the Law is not valid, how will you love Him in heaven? There is no Bible in heaven.
I understand that love transcends law even when it is in fact part of the law. My point is that to suggest that those few things are the only things Gentiles had to do, is rather selective when you have just admitted that there are things that they would have been expected to do outside of those few things mentioned. Like not steal etc.
And one other point, Love your enemy comes from the Old testament. IN fact everything Jesus taught you can teach form the Old testament.
And one other point, Love your enemy comes from the Old testament. IN fact everything Jesus taught you can teach form the Old testament.
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Matthew 23:1-3 1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Leviticus 19:37 Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: Iam the LORD.
Hmm. We have Jesus saying observe and do, the LORD saying observe and do, and the council at Jerusalem saying they will hear from Moses seat every Sabbath.
I guess you can say by 2or 3 witnesses and testimonies that is and was and will continue to be is that t h e law of Moses was of necessity, Jesus, God, disciples.
Leviticus 19:37 Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: Iam the LORD.
Hmm. We have Jesus saying observe and do, the LORD saying observe and do, and the council at Jerusalem saying they will hear from Moses seat every Sabbath.
I guess you can say by 2or 3 witnesses and testimonies that is and was and will continue to be is that t h e law of Moses was of necessity, Jesus, God, disciples.
Perhaps some of what you seek is contained in the Prophet, Ezekiel; I am satisfied when Jesus, Yeshua, teaches that nothing by entering into a man defiles Him, I will never be judged for eating improperly by the Holy Spirit, perhaps by men, but never by Elohanu, God.
Eze 20:22
Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
Eze 20:23
I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Eze 20:24
Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
Eze 20:25
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
Eze 20:26
And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.
Eze 20:27
Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.
Eze 20:22
Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
Eze 20:23
I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Eze 20:24
Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
Eze 20:25
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
Eze 20:26
And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.
Eze 20:27
Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.
There must be a standard of right and wrong, for us to determine what sin is. I call it the law and it can be summed up in "love for God and Love for our neighbour". How can we judge what is righteous or correct if there is no standard. If Jesus is our standard than we should keep the law like He did. If sin is the transgression of the law, our definition of sin will change depending on our definition of the law.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. ....keep reading....which law is Jesus referring to?
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. ....keep reading....which law is Jesus referring to?
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?