Psalm 119 back by request

LaurenTM · Jul 15, 2016

Back by request and HERE is the link if anyone wants to see it in its entirety

here is where we left off

so, will take you up on that Dan and let's go through it stanza by stanza with the understanding you can opt out any time, no prob

anyone can join in; just please, let's for all our sakes, keep it on track and not interject unrelated subjects or our favorite
gripe of the week

will be posting first stanza with thoughts in a bit

LaurenTM · Jul 15, 2016

Ashrei temimei derech 'Happy are those whose way is perfect'

א Aleph

1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless,
who walk according to the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are those who keep his statutes
and seek him with all their heart—
3 they do no wrong
but follow his ways.
4 You have laid down precepts
that are to be fully obeyed.
5 Oh, that my ways were steadfast
in obeying your decrees!
6 Then I would not be put to shame
when I consider all your commands.
7 I will praise you with an upright heart
as I learn your righteous laws.
8 I will obey your decrees;
do not utterly forsake me.

Preamble and some thoughts:

v.1 There is the meaning that scripture, inspired by God gives and there are the ideas, traditions and opinions among other things, that we personally hold. We can pick controversy as the path, debate as the path or even arguement, or we can sit down like children with our hearts open and our ears tuned to what God is actually saying.

The way I see it, we can really learn from this Psalm and not perfection, but the inward struggle of a real human being who very much wants to both understand and please his God...our God in fact. I have no doubt this Psalm means different things to different people but in particular I am looking at it and Dan is wanting to discuss it...so here we go

The word inspired, before we actually get into the Psalm, does not mean dictated to. We don't have a case of automatic writing here. The Bible is the INSPIRED word of God; not the handbook of utter perfection as we think we might understand the word, but rather written in such a way as to speak to the individual but also instruct in general for everyone, but as is the case with all things God, the more you desire, of Him, the more He will reveal. Not meaning mysticism here, but actual depth and knowledge.

and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; I Corinthians 14:32 a person is in control of the gifts, they do not control the person and so it was also with the prophets in the OT. A personality is not put aside; my personal opinion, is that God chooses whom He chooses because of their personality and how it will fit in with His plans both for that person and in life, our life, IN Him, in this world. ie: God chose David over all his good looking and taller brothers. In fact. David was not even present when Nathan came with the horn filled with the oil for anointing God's chosen to be king

v.1 What is the law of the Lord? the 10 commandments? the Torah?

The law of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7

The law, is perfect. The law restores the soul. It is the testimony of God, in other words, listen to Him and become wise.

The law is perfect; we are not. Therefore, God initiated a system of sacrifice as a SHADOW of things to come;

For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. Hebrews 10:1

The law, or the commandments (understand there are well over 600 laws given to Moses for the Israelite to order their lives by) we usually focus on the 10 commandments, but every part of their life was ordered.

The detail, IMO, one can insert or study on, is overwhelming and probably way too much for this thread, but I want to somehow get across what we are looking at here, and the desire of God is that we do understand, we do study and asking questions and waiting for answers is all a part of the process. again, we are not clones here, so allow some room for others to breathe and be themselves.

this is already pretty long, so I will stop. I think we need some background and understanding before really picking up the Psalm and my object is always for understanding

one more thing, I will link to any article or thoughts that are not my own, otherwise, these are my words, just to be clear

eternally-gratefull · Jul 15, 2016

I see the law, especially as interpreted in the OT, As the first 5 books of the bible (that is what the hebrews considered it, you had the law, and then the prophets, etc.)

So when the psalmist says, "who walks according to the "law" of the lord. He is talking about the whole of the cannon. Not just the ten commands..

ukok102nak · Jul 15, 2016

as it is written
:read:
Awit: 22. 22. I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. 23. Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
24. For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
25. My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
26. The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

... . and
as for those who remain with their faiths
unto what is good and cannot lie and
unto our lord and saviour the only begotten son and
to all that is holy with truth and love unto it
as it is written
:read:
Mateo: 25. 40. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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godbless us all always

LaurenTM · Jul 15, 2016

lovely post, but how are you seeing this integrating with the topic of the thread?

please explain your thoughts on the first stanza of Psalm 119 or at least comment on my thoughts

yes, God bless us, but let us also bless one another

ukok102nak · Jul 15, 2016

as it is written
:read:
Awit: 119. 1. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

. ... so as it is written
:read:
Awit: 1. 1. Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

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godbless us all always

ukok102nak · Jul 15, 2016

as this what we heard from our brethren :smoke:
as it is written
:read:
Awit ng mga Awit: 6. 8. There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.
9. My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.
10. Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?
11. I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded.
12. Or ever I was aware, my soul made me like the chariots of Amminadib.
13. Return, return, O Shulamite; return, return, that we may look upon thee. What will ye see in the Shulamite? As it were the company of two armies.

:ty:

godbless us all always

notuptome · Jul 15, 2016

Psalm 119:1 ¶ ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 ¶ Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 ¶ I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.

Here is a testimony of Gods word in our lives. How can we live in an upright fashion if we neglect Gods word? Much more than just the 10 commandments but every word of God. It is to be a delight to our soul.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

LaurenTM · Jul 15, 2016

notuptome said:

Psalm 119:1 ¶ ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 ¶ Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 ¶ I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.

Here is a testimony of Gods word in our lives. How can we live in an upright fashion if we neglect Gods word? Much more than just the 10 commandments but every word of God. It is to be a delight to our soul.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

as Jesus said, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God

amen

Dan_473 · Jul 15, 2016

LaurenTM said:

thanks! I appreciate the work you put into post 2!

but...

I was actually asking for a summary...

something like

the psalmist wants to learn more and do better at keeping God's laws

my plan is that as you attempt to outline the entire psalm or summarize each section, it will become clear that it uses repetition to emphasize, rather than progression of thought.

or I'll be able to see the progression... that would be good too.

LaurenTM · Jul 15, 2016

no worries on that Dan...I understood, but as I explained, I put in a preamble and some of my own personal thoughts first

that's just me being long winded and careful

will do as you asked, as I noted here

at the end of my 2nd post

sure he repeats, but this is not such a simple Psalm as someone might think

it's all good

LaurenTM · Jul 15, 2016

just had some more thoughts on this

I don't know how you approach Bible study, but going into it with the idea of 'proving' something is not how I would approach it

by using the word progression, I meant his understanding and how he saw it developing with regards to the application of God's law

the Bible explains itself, but you have to know enough of it to appreciate that. This is not a stand alone Psalm, but a superb example of dwelling on the word

so I'm not trying to have a Bible study here, but for example, he uses many different words...law, precepts, statutes, commands...and more...is it all really summed up with one word ?

we may really be coming at this with very different approaches, I don't know

Dan_473 · Jul 16, 2016

from the old thread:
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start with
15 I will meditate on your precepts, and consider your ways.

16 I will delight myself in your statutes. I will not forget your word.

rearrange it this way

I will meditate on your precepts, I will not forget your word.

I will delight myself in your statutes and consider your ways.

has the basic meaning changed?
*************

my thinking is that if it hasn't, then this would indicate repetition.

how about exchanging say, stanza 3 with 20?

ukok102nak · Jul 16, 2016

you two are one of those perfect combination
in my own opinion
as we have our own partners two
to watch for each other

:ty:

godbless us all always

LaurenTM · Jul 16, 2016

Dan_473 said:

don't mind me, but why this desire to switch up the Psalm?

would you do it with the 23rd Psalm?

sounds angry, but I'm not...I'm like...whaaaa?

check into why all the different words for your one word juxtaposition of law

might take on a little more depth...

Dan_473 · Jul 16, 2016

LaurenTM said:

switching verses 2 and 5 in psalm 23 changes its 'flow' a lot. but, experimenting with mixing up verses in 119 doesn't seem to change its flow... to me, that's because there isn't one... I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's designed as a 'blueprint' for improvisation

I think the five words for law are used interchangeably... are you able to see a difference in how they're used?

(also, you didn't sound angry to me)

LaurenTM · Jul 16, 2016

Dan_473 said:

you are making me laugh...you are so determined...I've got to get it together...and make a proper post...but my style is trying to get the most for your buck, not the quickest

you are really making me work for a living here LOL!

that's ok ...prob won't be until tomorrow, cause I have the evening mapped out so not enough time

taking a long time to get this show on the road, eh?

Dan_473 · Jul 17, 2016

of course, take as much time as you want

at the same time, I don't understand why extensive research is needed... song lyrics are often boring to read

is Romans intended to be read? yes... is ps 119 intended to be read? doesn't look like it to me... I think it's intended to be set to music, chanted... something like that

for example
the lyrics to Our God is an awesome God

Rich Mullins - Awesome God Lyrics | MetroLyrics

I count 23 times the sentence "Our God is an awesome God" is sung. Interesting to read? no... great song, though...

LaurenTM · Jul 17, 2016

[h=3]א Aleph[/h][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless,
who walk according to the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are those who keep his statutes
and seek him with all their heart—
3 they do no wrong
but follow his ways.
4 You have laid down precepts
that are to be fully obeyed.
5 Oh, that my ways were steadfast
in obeying your decrees!
6 Then I would not be put to shame
when I consider all your commands.
7 I will praise you with an upright heart
as I learn your righteous laws.
8 I will obey your decrees;
do not utterly forsake me.

we have the use of 'law of the lord'
testimonies
precepts
commandments
judgements

no, they don't all mean the same thing[/FONT]
[/FONT]

LaurenTM · Jul 17, 2016

Quick look at the meaning of the words

The law of the Lord:

The law of the lord refers specifically to the decrees in the first 5 books of the Bible. It does not mean the 10 commandments only. So, immediately, we learn the writer was well studied and familiar with these decrees and saw them as a way of life.

This would include sacrifices, offerings, etc. All, requiring obedience.

Testimonies:

God's standard of how a person should conduct themselves. Another version also states that the testimonies are counsellors

Precepts:

Advisory teaching...ie other words, the teaching of the law for application

Commandments

a command requiring strict obedience

Judgments

binding law; that is there are repercussions if not followed;

Word

God's word...ie, revelation from God to mankind

personally, I don't care to lump everthing together for convenience sake or the sake of 21stC thinking

to really a grip on what the writer had in mind, a person needs to make some attempt to understand the reverence for the law (5 books) and the fact that every nuance of the lives of the Israelite's was interpreted according to that law

while some words can be interchanged, the finer understanding, the mindset, is missed if you just glob it together

it's not fast food

it's a dining experience

without meaning to be rude, I don't care about lyrics to a song here. it's hardly Bible study

I approach study, with an overview, then an in depth study.

much of the Psalms if not all, are for singing, but they are a part of the Bible

the Bible repeats itself many times over and yet mankind still manages to get it wrong

I think you may want the condensed version

we have a different approach

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