Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh

[God4me]

I understand what you are saying and I agree too. I personally have never heard a teacher of grace say that you are under grace so go do what you want and just "sin away". I have listened to over a hundred of them so far - but I may have missed one or two that actually do say such a thing.

I too agree with confessing sins to our Father and Lord and like you - not "in order to be forgiven" but to talk everything over with Him. I always find that whenever I sin - it means I am trying to "get something" outside of the life and kingdom of God , so I want to know where I am missing it in my faith towards God so that I can have a change of mind and repent to rely on Christ alone for all things.

The other thing si that f no one says to us when we preach the gospel .."What?..are you saying we can sin all we want?" If no one says that when we preach the gospel then we have not preached the true gospel yet like Paul did.

He was accused of being antinomian by religious people and he said he was slanderously reported to say things that he did not say about going out and sinning however you want. Sounds a lot like what is happening today in some people's minds.

Most of the false grace teachers teach you can live how you want to, because grace covers all our sins, I have never hear one hyper grace teacher say otherwise.
Then they say they aren't giving people the licence to sin.

 

[UnderGrace]

You are right, I have seen and heard them say we can do what we want to and still be blessed, because grace has covered every sin we do.
They also said we can live how we want to and God will still use us, Because it's not what we do or don't do, It's all by grace.

Joseph Prince said the only qualification we need to go up in the rapture, Is to be alive on earth at the time, Then he said,
"We don't have to be faithful or holy, just here at the time".
He is a deceiver.

So then there are some sins that are not covered? Jesus only did half a job?

Just trying to understand this from a biblical perspective?

 

[FlSnookman7]

Most of the false grace teachers teach you can live how you want to, because grace covers all our sins, I have never hear one hyper grace teacher say otherwise.
Then they say they aren't giving people the licence to sin.

Simply a lie. We are dead to sin. Grace frees us from sinning it doesn't give us license to sin more. Your statement is false and your hatred sad. I know you are not to blame as your ego prevents you from accepting the truth.

 

[Grace777x70]

Most of the false grace teachers teach you can live how you want to, because grace covers all our sins, I have never hear one hyper grace teacher say otherwise.
Then they say they aren't giving people the licence to sin.

Nonsense...that is a "construct" of your own mind. I have never heard anyone say to go out and live how you ant because you are under grace. I have listened to over a thousand different messages from believers in the grace of Christ from all different denominations. At least a hundred different teachers and I have never heard one say what you are saying. In fact they say the "complete opposite" of what you are making a false accusation about.

 

[UnderGrace]

Most of the false grace teachers teach you can live how you want to, because grace covers all our sins, I have never hear one hyper grace teacher say otherwise.
Then they say they aren't giving people the licence to sin.

License to sin is distorted human reasoning, it is basically saying let us do evil that good may come.

Paul had lot to say about people who defamed that message of grace.

Roman 8:3 Why not say, as some slanderously claim that we say,“ - Let us do evil that good may result?” Their condemnation is deserved!

To avoid the truth of grace or defame the message by saying that it may give a person the right to sin is to support the truth which is opposite of grace – which is that the law justifies and Jesus' work was in vain!

This is unbelief in the finished work of Jesus.

Read what Paul says about those who do such…….their condemnation is deserved!

So it is either grace or law it cannot be both.

 

[FreeNChrist]

License to sin is distorted human reasoning, it is basically saying let us do evil that good may come.

Paul had lot to say about people who defamed that message of grace.

Roman 8:3 Why not say, as some slanderously claim that we say,“ - Let us do evil that good may result?” Their condemnation is deserved!

To avoid the truth of grace or defame the message by saying that it may give a person the right to sin is to support the truth which is opposite of grace – which is that the law justifies and Jesus' work was in vain!

This is unbelief in the finished work of Jesus.

Read what Paul says about those who do such…….their condemnation is deserved!

So it is either grace or law it cannot be both.

Thats right. People who see it as a license to sin do so because what they want to do is sin.

But wanting to sin is not the Christians problem. Our problem is doing what we do not want to do. That is the delimma that Paul deals with in Romans.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Most of the false grace teachers teach you can live how you want to, because grace covers all our sins, I have never hear one hyper grace teacher say otherwise.
Then they say they aren't giving people the licence to sin.

Saying that grace through Christs sacrifice for us covers all of our sins is NOT saying God is okay with us sinning. I realize you think that's the end result, but saying the blood covers our sins is not saying sin is AOK.

The Good News is that through Christ there is forgiveness for our sins I don't understand how it is possible to hear that and then say if it is preached, it gives license to sin all you want...the Good News is that through Christ we have forgiveness of our sins and access to God in every time of need. How does that equate in your mind to: your teaching that it's OK to sin all you want to...?

 

[notuptome]

Biblical repentance defined in 2 Cor 5:17

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ga 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature

Repentance created by God and not by man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[gb9]

Biblical repentance defined in 2 Cor 5:17

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ga 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature

Repentance created by God and not by man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

so many of people keep pointing to self, what must I do to saved, how can I make God be o.k. with ME, how can I keep Me out of hell, etc.......
focus on verses like these, and the I, me, will began to die away. we will turn toward God, not self-works.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

I understand what you are saying and I agree too. I personally have never heard a teacher of grace say that you are under grace so go do what you want and just "sin away". I have listened to over a hundred of them so far - but I may have missed one or two that actually do say such a thing.

I too agree with confessing sins to our Father and Lord and like you - not "in order to be forgiven" but to talk everything over with Him. I always find that whenever I sin - it means I am trying to "get something" outside of the life and kingdom of God , so I want to know where I am missing it in my faith towards God so that I can have a change of mind and repent to rely on Christ alone for all things.

The other thing si that f no one says to us when we preach the gospel .."What?..are you saying we can sin all we want?" If no one says that when we preach the gospel then we have not preached the true gospel yet like Paul did.

He was accused of being antinomian by religious people and he said he was slanderously reported to say things that he did not say about going out and sinning however you want. Sounds a lot like what is happening today in some people's minds.

I've never heard a preacher say this, just Christians who have twisted the Grace theology to fit their own lives. Basically creating their own God. I believe they do this to keep the sins they want and then say you can't judge me type of thing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

License to sin is distorted human reasoning, it is basically saying let us do evil that good may come.

Paul had lot to say about people who defamed that message of grace.

Roman 8:3 Why not say, as some slanderously claim that we say,“ - Let us do evil that good may result?” Their condemnation is deserved!

To avoid the truth of grace or defame the message by saying that it may give a person the right to sin is to support the truth which is opposite of grace – which is that the law justifies and Jesus' work was in vain!

This is unbelief in the finished work of Jesus.

Read what Paul says about those who do such…….their condemnation is deserved!

So it is either grace or law it cannot be both.

Romans 3:8
And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), “Let us do evil that good may come”? Their condemnation is just.

Thank you sis,

Wow, This is the first time I read this and saw what it really says.. Paul was being called licentious in not so many words. Or loving sin.. And he also called it slander, and even more, he said they were condemned.. (I am sure he meant their current state, everyone can repent)

Wow.. I love learning new things, and it is nice to know that legalists today are using the same slander they paul experienced.

Why is it people never learn??

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You know, I've been thinking more about this (that some think that to preach that the blood covers all our sins is to say its okay to sin all you want).

Israel believed God that He would pass over them if they put the blood on their doorposts. So they put the blood on their doorposts. They didn't think it was okay to just sin all they wanted, but they understood that blood covered their sins and this was why God would pass over - because of the blood. I can't imagine a single one of them said: no. I won't put the blood on my doorpost because that would mean its okay to sin all I want! They CLEARLY understood that they were going to be passed over ONLY because God would see the blood and that it wasn't because they were not sinners.

Does this make sense...?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

so many of people keep pointing to self, what must I do to saved, how can I make God be o.k. with ME, how can I keep Me out of hell, etc.......
focus on verses like these, and the I, me, will began to die away. we will turn toward God, not self-works.

God resists the proud (the "I" or "Me" people) But gives mercy to the humble, or meek (others oriented, self sacrificial people)

Sadly, We have far to many I Gospels. and not enough Christ gospels

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I've never heard a preacher say this, just Christians who have twisted the Grace theology to fit their own lives. Basically creating their own God. I believe they do this to keep the sins they want and then say you can't judge me type of thing.

I know legalists who do this,, They preach righteous living, yet blatantly sin against other people, then determine there sin is not sin. And have we have witnessed with some in CC lately. They get mad when you even try to tell them it is sin.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

I know legalists who do this,, They preach righteous living, yet blatantly sin against other people, then determine there sin is not sin. And have we have witnessed with some in CC lately. They get mad when you even try to tell them it is sin.

I agree with you. You see it on both ends like everything else in life. I think I am stuck in the middle lol.

 

[BenFTW]

You know, I've been thinking more about this (that some think that to preach that the blood covers all our sins is to say its okay to sin all you want).

Israel believed God that He would pass over them if they put the blood on their doorposts. So they put the blood on their doorposts. They didn't think it was okay to just sin all they wanted, but they understood that blood covered their sins and this was why God would pass over - because of the blood. I can't imagine a single one of them said: no. I won't put the blood on my doorpost because that would mean its okay to sin all I want! They CLEARLY understood that they were going to be passed over ONLY because God would see the blood and that it wasn't because they were not sinners.

Does this make sense...?

Absolutely, it makes sense. If anyone is having a misunderstanding of grace, forgiveness and a license to sin they need to read all of Hebrews. It gives an excellent explanation of Jesus as our High Priest and how we are forgiven. Once you get the revelation of Jesus as High Priest you understand that the traditional understanding of repentance/sin confession cannot be the truth for a NT believer because it would treat the blood of Christ as common and ineffectual.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You know, I've been thinking more about this (that some think that to preach that the blood covers all our sins is to say its okay to sin all you want).

Israel believed God that He would pass over them if they put the blood on their doorposts. So they put the blood on their doorposts. They didn't think it was okay to just sin all they wanted, but they understood that blood covered their sins and this was why God would pass over - because of the blood. I can't imagine a single one of them said: no. I won't put the blood on my doorpost because that would mean its okay to sin all I want! They CLEARLY understood that they were going to be passed over ONLY because God would see the blood and that it wasn't because they were not sinners.

Does this make sense...?

We could say the same with the unblemished lamb, Imagine seeing the lamb having its throat cut and blood spilt on the altar because YOU sinned.

How many (true believers in God) said, This gives me permission to sin all I want.. All I have to do is bring another lamb next year..

Although I am sure some used it in that sense, Since their hearts were seared with pride. who cares about the innocent. (their sin was not forgiven by that lamb anyway, No matter how many times they sacrificed it.. Because their faith was dead) . But that does not make the message of the lamb slaughtered (grace) any less true.

Just because a person can turn grace to licentiousness, Does not mean we should go to legalism so we do not make this horrific mistake. Grace and mercy are still the only way to heaven.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with you. You see it on both ends like everything else in life. I think I am stuck in the middle lol.

lol, I think that's where we want to be..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Absolutely, it makes sense. If anyone is having a misunderstanding of grace, forgiveness and a license to sin they need to read all of Hebrews. It gives an excellent explanation of Jesus as our High Priest and how we are forgiven. Once you get the revelation of Jesus as High Priest you understand that the traditional understanding of repentance/sin confession cannot be the truth for a NT believer because it would treat the blood of Christ as common and ineffectual.

God tells us to confess our sins to one another. It is for our benefit and healing.. Not for forgiveness.. And it is not what repent means..

to me repent is like when you go to church, and learn something new. You repent by aligning your thinking with that new spiritual idea..

John the Baptist was pointing to Christ. He was baptizing at the river telling people to align your thinking with this messiah who is about to appear.. for the kingdom of God is upon us.

 

[Grace777x70]

I've never heard a preacher say this, just Christians who have twisted the Grace theology to fit their own lives. Basically creating their own God. I believe they do this to keep the sins they want and then say you can't judge me type of thing.

That I can understand! people themselves "twist" being under grace means they can excuse their lifestyle.

Well, as I have heard from many grace believers - they are not in fact under grace at all when they do that nor do they understand the grace of Christ as it after having knowing and receiving acceptance grace it also releases the empowering grace to live godly.

All this is the Holy Spirit's transforming work as we behold the glory of the Lord. We participate in it by agreeing with the truth ( there's that repentance thing again ) and continue to walk by the Spirit.

So, the so-called gay Christian living the homosexual lifestyle and the Christian that is filled with malice and slander are both not operating under the true grace of God as they are not even wanting to change and are in fact trying to excuse their lifestyle as being ok.