Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh

[seed_time_harvest]

The false grace teachers have wrongly interpreted 1 Jn 1: 9, They says it's not for the believer, But the say that about all the scriptures that prove them wrong.
You are saying John has deceived us, See 1 Jn 1: 8--10--1 Jn 2: 1--2, John says if we sin and confess it and repent, Then Jesus pleads to God for our forgiveness, cleansing and restoration back to righteousness.

Mankind is a Spirit who has a souls and lives in a body, Only the Spirit is born again, The souls has to be renewed, Rom 12: 2.
And the body is still waiting redemption, Rom 8: 23.
The most powerful part of our makeup, is the soul, [The mind WILL and emotions], and if we WILL to side in with our spirit, we will be spirit minded, but if we will to side in with our fleshly desires, we are carnally minded and fall into sin.
And when we sin we have to confess it and repent, THEN we are forgiven, cleansed and restored.

If GOD has forgivin the person and the person Is born again of the Spirit of GOD and the spirit was made perfect,why would they need to keep asking forgiveness???

I think the person that thinks that by confessing sin after GOD has forgiven them Is asking for forgiveness of things they have done In the flesh, I think thats okay as long as they are In the process of renewing their minds and their focus Is on being conscious of their right standing before GOD and presenting their bodies a living sacrifice,holy,acceptable to GOD,so that they can prove what Is that good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD.

Mankind is a Spirit who has a souls and lives in a body, Only the Spirit is born again, The souls has to be renewed, Rom 12: 2

Amen.

The most powerful part of our makeup, is the soul, [The mind WILL and emotions], and if we WILL to side in with our spirit, we will be spirit minded, but if we will to side in with our fleshly desires, we are carnally minded and fall into sin.
And when we sin we have to confess it and repent, THEN we are forgiven, cleansed and restored

I understand what you are trying to say,but the most powerful part of our make-up Is the spirit.

The spirit gives us life,the flesh does not give life.

Paul said In
Romans 7:20-23
King James Version(KJV)

20.)Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21.)I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22.)For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23.)But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

 

[BenFTW]

We could say the same with the unblemished lamb, Imagine seeing the lamb having its throat cut and blood spilt on the altar because YOU sinned.

How many (true believers in God) said, This gives me permission to sin all I want.. All I have to do is bring another lamb next year..

Although I am sure some used it in that sense, Since their hearts were seared with pride. who cares about the innocent. (their sin was not forgiven by that lamb anyway, No matter how many times they sacrificed it.. Because their faith was dead) . But that does not make the message of the lamb slaughtered (grace) any less true.

Just because a person can turn grace to licentiousness, Does not mean we should go to legalism so we do not make this horrific mistake. Grace and mercy are still the only way to heaven.

The difference is that the animal's blood could never actually take away sin and purge people of their sin conscience, where as Jesus Christ did one sacrifice for all sin for all time. His blood isn't common like that of the blood of bulls and goats. He did it once, and for all. There are verses that say that He would've had to suffer since the foundation of the world, for the reason that He is the sacrifice for sins but praise God, He lives forever and His blood is not common.

Hebrews 7:25 King James Version (KJV)

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The difference is that the animal's blood could never actually take away sin and purge people of their sin conscience, where as Jesus Christ did one sacrifice for all sin for all time. His blood isn't common like that of the blood of bulls and goats. He did it once, and for all. There are verses that say that He would've had to suffer since the foundation of the world, for the reason that He is the sacrifice for sins but praise God, He lives forever and His blood is not common.

Hebrews 7:25 King James Version (KJV)

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Yes.

Thank God.. Because how could a mere man do anything to remove sin from other men, when they are guilty themselves.. WHo pays for their sin?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus said, let he who- has no sin cast the first stone.

When we get to heaven, and we all stand before God on judgment day, And he says let he who has no sin come forward. Who will walk forward?

Me? I will be like the tax collector. on my knees unable even to look up..

 

[BenFTW]

Yes.

Thank God.. Because how could a mere man do anything to remove sin from other men, when they are guilty themselves.. WHo pays for their sin?

They themselves do, or Jesus does. That is the choice. Sin's penalty is death, but by God's grace and faith in Christ we get life! Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the world. People must keep in mind that without Christ people are already condemned, but in Christ there is no condemnation. He is able to save us, completely.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They themselves do, or Jesus does. That is the choice. Sin's penalty is death, but by God's grace and faith in Christ we get life! Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the world. People must keep in mind that without Christ people are already condemned, but in Christ there is no condemnation. He is able to save us, completely.

That's what I think legalist does not get.

The penalty of sin is death,

Not water baptism
Not repenting
Not confessing
Not doing penance
Not going to church
Not giving to the poor
Not obeying the law
(I can go on and on and on)

It is death


But the GIFT of GOD is ETERNAL LIFE. In Christ Jesus our Lord

 

[BenFTW]

Jesus said, let he who- has no sin cast the first stone.

When we get to heaven, and we all stand before God on judgment day, And he says let he who has no sin come forward. Who will walk forward?

Me? I will be like the tax collector. on my knees unable even to look up..

I will walk forward! LOL Because in Christ the blood of Christ makes my sins of scarlet as white as snow! The Lord tells us to not let our hearts condemn us and then we will have confidence before Him. VVe may stand before Him confidently, not based in self but upon Jesus Christ, His Son. Even so, He tells us He doesn't impute our sins to us or our iniquities. Therefore, and by all accounts, our debt is paid in full through the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. Stand before Him, boldly in His grace and love.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will walk forward! LOL Because in Christ the blood of Christ makes my sins of scarlet as white as snow! The Lord tells us to not let our hearts condemn us and then we will have confidence before Him. VVe may stand before Him confidently, not based in self but upon Jesus Christ, His Son. Even so, He tells us He doesn't impute our sins to us or our iniquities. Therefore, and by all accounts, our debt is paid in full through the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. Stand before Him, boldly in His grace and love.

I will still be on my knees.. Because I will see him as he is,, And see myself as I am (and I will see a far more sinful person than I think I am even now)

Jesus will come tell me to get up. Like he did Daniel and John.. But I can't see me walking forward..

Then I am going to partake in the greatest party mankind has ever seen!!

 

[BenFTW]

I will still be on my knees.. Because I will see him as he is,, And see myself as I am (and I will see a far more sinful person than I think I am even now)

Jesus will come tell me to get up. Like he did Daniel and John.. But I can't see me walking forward..

Then I am going to partake in the greatest party mankind has ever seen!!

Yeah, I probably wont have the boldness to step forward. haha It'll be one of those, "God knows my heart." I'd step forward but... LOL I know the truth but I think I'll stay in line and consider maybe the question is to ask, "VVho has earned eternal life?" Not one, but through Christ, yes!

 

[Magenta]

I wonder how many people there are who say they believe the penalty for sin
is death but then turn around and preach eternal conscious hellfire torment.

I wonder how many people believe that eternal life is gained only through being
covered by the righteous blood of Jesus Christ through faith in His propitiatory
sacrifice on our behalf due to His great love for us, but then turn around and
say that those whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life will also
live forever so they can be tortured by a loving, just, and merciful God.

 

[BenFTW]

I wonder how many people there are who say they believe the penalty for sin
is death but then turn around and preach eternal conscious hellfire torment.

I wonder how many people believe that eternal life is gained only through being
covered by the righteous blood of Jesus Christ through faith in His propitiatory
sacrifice on our behalf due to His great love for us, but then turn around and
say that those whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life will also
live forever so they can be tortured by a loving, just, and merciful God.

If you're being saved, you are being saved from something. People aren't presenting it as an ultimatum, "Believe in Jesus or burn in Hell", but rather the ultimatum is one of circumstance. Not a forced decision but a weighty one. Outside of Christ people are condemned already. Its like they are hanging off a cliff and Jesus is standing there with His hand stretched out to pull you up. You can say no to the extended hand and stay condemned, or because He loves you, you can take grasp of His hand and trust in Him to save you.

 

[Magenta]

Being saved from death seems pretty big to me. Jesus came to offer us a life more abundant.
And it is spelled out pretty clearly as far as I can tell: the wages of sin is death.

 

[p_rehbein]

Ok, ok, yes, I took the easy way out, and decided to simply copy and paste from my Blog Pages concerning "repentance."

So, sue me already !

Why is “repentenc” necessary prior to water baptism.

IF we understand that water baptism is a symbolic act giving "witness" to a spiritual rebirth, then we can understand the need for "repentance." Our spiritual rebirth into Jesus can not be seen/witnessed by the naked eye, thus Jesus commanded that we be water baptized, and, in this way, we profess to the Church and the World that we have become His disciples. The forgiveness of sin HAS ALREADY occurred.......Water baptism IS NOT unto salvation. It IS a "witness" OF our salvation to the Church, and to the World. So why would Jesus want us to do this? Let Him tell us Himself:

Matthew 10:32) Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 .) But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 12:8) Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 9 .) But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Ok, what about repentance............

The first word Jesus preached in public was “repent”………..

Matthew 4:17) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Look at what is said in Acts 4:16) Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 17 .) For as much then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? 18 .) When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

And again in Acts 20:20) And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house, 21 .) Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

So, in Acts 2:38, when Peter said: “Then Peter said unto them,Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” He was well in line with the teaching of Jesus…….This is not a new concept/teaching…….consider:

Proverbs 28:13)He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

John taught this as well……consider:

1[SUP]st[/SUP] John 1:6) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 .) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 .) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 .) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Again, consider what Luke wrote……….Luke 15:10) Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

And in the 13[SUP]th[/SUP] Chapter, Luke records this…..from verse 3) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

And Peter taught in Acts 3:19) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

You can decide for yourselves IF we should "repent" of our sins..........as for me and my house we will with a sincere and contrite heart repent of our sins and pray that God will be faithful to forgive us of our sins.....

AND we will be water baptized because Jesus said we were to be.......and to PROCLAIM to the Church and the World that we are His disciples.

God bless you each and every one.

 

[PeterJens]

There may be a sense of annoyance in the first paragraph because I am tired of people making accusations of licentiousness to God loving and righteous Christians.

The op strikes me as odd. Firstly it was stated elsewhere repentance is just agreeing with God.
Now this op from the same group, is saying repentance is so much more.

The confusion is simple. Repenting is about having a defined view on sin and stopping sinning.
But now this version of repenting, is linked to sinning daily, constantly. Whatever this sinning is
it is not biblical. And has been clearly shown repenting is described at length turning from sin and
doing righteous deeds or actions.

So not surprisingly when people say they are repenting all the time of sin which they do not have
victory over, this is not repentance in the biblical sense. It is either some form of hyper-legalism and
or repentance is about a sense of not aligning in fellowship with God, which is called repentance.

If you redefine the words and what you are referring to and then get annoyed at people interpreting
it in the traditional sense, it shows that using language in new ways is not helpful.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The op strikes me as odd. Firstly it was stated elsewhere repentance is just agreeing with God.
Now this op from the same group, is saying repentance is so much more.

The confusion is simple. Repenting is about having a defined view on sin and stopping sinning.

If this is true, no one will get to heaven, Because no one has stopped sinning, which means no one has repented. Which means no one has had true saving faith, which means everyones faith is dead. and no one is saved.

But now this version of repenting, is linked to sinning daily, constantly. Whatever this sinning is
it is not biblical. And has been clearly shown repenting is described at length turning from sin and
doing righteous deeds or actions.

Yes it has been shared that that is one opinon of what it is. That does not make it a true definition.

So not surprisingly when people say they are repenting all the time of sin which they do not have
victory over, this is not repentance in the biblical sense. It is either some form of hyper-legalism and
or repentance is about a sense of not aligning in fellowship with God, which is called repentance.

So you have matured to the point you do not commit sin anymore. so you never have to repent of say like, getting angry, but once, and you never get angry again? How about bearing false witness. Do you repent of that over and over again? or just once? If repenting is required, then how can you be saved, unless you repent of the same sin over and over?

Unless you are sinless. Are you claiming sinless perfection again? See what happens when we try to attack others, our attack falls right back on us.

If you redefine the words and what you are referring to and then get annoyed at people interpreting
it in the traditional sense, it shows that using language in new ways is not helpful.

Tradition is not always right, Ask the jews. Their tradition (in Christ day) Crucified Christ. How well did it do them.

Sometimes we just have to interpret the word for what it means. and not give it religious defenitions. As was said in another thread. it would have been great if the interpretors actually interpreted the word not as a word for word. but as in a phraise which correctly interprets the word. That's why we have so many divisions today.

 

[Angela53510]

So a straw man post, with everyone on board, and no one actually posting from the bible.

I personally do not know if people in the hyper grace crowd are licentious and sinning all the time. They say they aren't, well and good!

But they, hypocritically, they turn around and say that people who prefer the biblical, historical and truthful definition of repentance are boasting in the flesh? And only one or two people call them on that???

Repentance has to do with coming to Christ. On our knees, humbling asking forgiveness. And turning from our wickedness and towards God. God is the one who calls us and directs us to repent. It can never be about the self! That is a straw man and perhaps the straw man from hell!

I am so in fear for this forum. It has been taken over by "another gospel." A gospel that has changed the definitions of sin, grace and repentance. Is it even the same Jesus in this group they are serving?? (I will say right now, I know for sure we there are at least a few in the hyper grace crowd who have not yet bent their knee to Baal - ask yourself if you are one of those people.)

If this is the future of Christianity - some confused, judgemental, back patting group, preaching another gospel, then I can only rejoice! Surely it means this is a falling away, and Jesus is returning soon for those who love and serve him.

Here are some very harsh words from the Bible. Again, if the shoe fits wear it. If it does not, then pass on by.

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Gal. 1:8-9

"For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough." 2 Cor. 11:14

As for me, I am a sinner, saved by God's glorious grace! I boast in him alone!

"But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world." Gal. 6:14

"so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” 1 Cor. 1:31

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So a straw man post, with everyone on board, and no one actually posting from the bible.

I personally do not know if people in the hyper grace crowd are licentious and sinning all the time. They say they aren't, well and good!

But they, hypocritically, they turn around and say that people who prefer the biblical, historical and truthful definition of repentance are boasting in the flesh? And only one or two people call them on that???

Repentance has to do with coming to Christ. On our knees, humbling asking forgiveness. And turning from our wickedness and towards God. God is the one who calls us and directs us to repent. It can never be about the self! That is a straw man and perhaps the straw man from hell!

Actually it goes far deeper than this.. The tax collector did not ask for forgiveness, He asked for mercy, and he begged God to save him.

Asking for forgiveness is just asking God to forgive your past sins. Asking for mercy is asking God to have mercy on you, who who's nature is to sin.. It is saying Hey God, take me as I am, and then God, change me.. Because I can not do it my self. And I am not worthy of your forgiveness

I am so in fear for this forum. It has been taken over by "another gospel." A gospel that has changed the definitions of sin, grace and repentance. Is it even the same Jesus in this group they are serving?? (I will say right now, I know for sure we there are at least a few in the hyper grace crowd who have not yet bent their knee to Baal - ask yourself if you are one of those people.)

Your right it has, It has been taken over by legalism, Saying salvation must be earned, It is not freely given, That we change our own lives, not that God changes us. It is that obedience is not something that is a response to a new nature, because we have been given the HS who changes us, But as a requirement to earn salvation.

If this is the future of Christianity - some confused, judgemental, back patting group, preaching another gospel, then I can only rejoice! Surely it means this is a falling away, and Jesus is returning soon for those who love and serve him.

Here are some very harsh words from the Bible. Again, if the shoe fits wear it. If it does not, then pass on by.

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Gal. 1:8-9

"For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough." 2 Cor. 11:14

As for me, I am a sinner, saved by God's glorious grace! I boast in him alone!
"But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world." Gal. 6:14

"so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” 1 Cor. 1:31

So will these same people your attacking,

However, the people who you have lately started "liking" when they post. They boast in self. Attacking others. Bearing false witness against them, and as the Pharisee, praising how they are not like us sinners.

what happened to you angela? I am saddened..

 

[Grace777x70]

I am trying to find scriptures in the New Covenant that says we need to be on our knees before we can come to Christ. I can't find any - it must be a man-made tradition of some sort altho I did kneel myself when I believed in Christ. I believe in kneeling before the Lord for sure.

There are times for that - it's just a personal thing I think. I would never tell someone they have to kneel before they can receive the Lord. It's just not biblical.

I do have word-for-word accounts of the actual real gospel being preached by Peter and Paul in Acts 10 and 13. But no mention of this "having to be on our knees ". I think that's a modern thing in the last few hundred years or so.

Personally I love to bent my knees in adoration of the Father and our Lord ...I thank Jesus for His blood that was shed for me. I thank my Father for His love and grace that He brought to me through His Son - my Lord Jesus Christ. That He is my wisdom, righteousness , sanctification and redemption.

That Jesus became sin so that I could become the righteousness of God in Him! That He is my Rock and Fortress and in Him only do I trust. I confess ( which means to say the same thing ) that I am His son and that I am loved by Him, that He has great favor for me so that I can be a blessing to others.

I love to ask Him to show me how He sees situations and people and that I want to see with His eyes and feel with His heart. I spend a lot of time praying but mostly it's while I am up moving around but lot's too while I am in bed. I tend to talk with Him continually through out the day.

I repent constantly as the Holy spirit shows me new things about the grace and love of my Father to me and to others. My mind is transforming and being changed as my hope is fixed completely on the grace that is being brought to me at the revelation of Jesus Christ. ( 1 Peter 1:13 ) There is no deeper revelation then to know Christ and His love for all of us.

 

[Cee]

My quick thoughts:

Here's how I see it outlined in the whole of Scripture, everyone is correct in some way. Let's teach both sides of the equation.

Don't sin. It's horrible, Jesus died for it, it doesn't help you or anyone else, it leads to death and destruction.

Once they agree, okay, now let's talk about how you actually walk that out...

First you turn to God from your sins toward Him. You do whatever you need to get relationship right with Him. And now you follow His Spirit. What does it look like to follow His Spirit? Here are the fruits. Did you know He loved you? Yes He did check out what Jesus did for you.

Still struggling with sin? Did you know you are dead to sin. Yes you are. Sinning isn't who you are anymore, you're alive to righteousness. You are empowered by His grace. Here's what that looks like...

Repeat until repentance and obedience is joyfully and fully achieved.

 

[GraceDefined]

What a beautiful post. It blessed me. I feel that we all do good with the "top ten" (commandments). I've not stole anything or murdered anyone today, or committed adultery. Our biggest problem today is sins of the heart. For example; I became angry and frustrated today over a situation with my wife and the Holy Spirit quickly reminded that it was OK to be angry, but that I was not to sin. And He reminded that I should count is a joy that I was worthy (by God's grace) to be tested.
I agree that we should be very quick to go to the Father when we sin. I feel that if we are conscious of our sin then that is our signal to confess it to God. I don't feel that it is enough to say to ourselves "no problem, I'm under grace".

As we grow in Christ we know the difference in the "accuser of the breathern's voice and that of the Holy Spirit.