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And many have the fear of God and do not observe the Sabbath, they choose to fear God by observing another day as Paul suggested
No, Paul did not suggest another day. People twist his words and think he said lots of things. Almighty God chose the day. He wrote it in stone with His very own finger.
 

trofimus

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The Messiah obeyed the Sabbath, and I am pretty sure He knew the correct timing. There has been a remnant doing it ever since. It is not prehistoric.
If there was something Christ get critized by Jews the most, it was that he did not keep the Sabbath.
 
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If there was something Christ get critized by Jews the most, it was that he did not keep the Sabbath.
If the Messiah broke the Sabbath, that would make Him a sinner, not a Savior. He was accused of breaking the Sabbath many times, but He did not. He broke the man-made ordinance of the Pharisees. He chose His words very carefully when He said, "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath". Notice what He did not say. He did not say, "the Sabbath doesn't matter". He did not say, "I abolish the Sabbath". No, He said it is LEGAL to do good on the Sabbath, proving His the Sabbath still was to be kept.
 

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Originally Posted by valiant
you still do not understand the Time line. The Time Line fixes when a day is in different parts of the world. When it is moved the days in different parts are changed. Thus the seventh day in one place may suddenly become the first day. The Messiah did not fix the Time Line. He used the timing in Israel. He did not fix the Sabbath in every part of the world.
sundown is sundown. On sundown of the 6th day, begin the Sabbath, wherever you are.
but what if the sixth day changes as it does for some people when the Time Line changes? Then you have to change what day you call the Sabbath. The Time line is fixed by man, and it changes days. Go and learn about it and stop making yourself look foolish,
 

trofimus

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If the Messiah broke the Sabbath, that would make Him a sinner, not a Savior. He was accused of breaking the Sabbath many times, but He did not. He broke the man-made ordinance of the Pharisees. He chose His words very carefully when He said, "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath". Notice what He did not say. He did not say, "the Sabbath doesn't matter". He did not say, "I abolish the Sabbath". No, He said it is LEGAL to do good on the Sabbath, proving His the Sabbath still was to be kept.
We are not talking only about healing on Sabbath, but also about the work onSabbath, when He was in fields with his apostles.

His teaching was - sabbath is for a man, not a man for sabbath.
 
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This is easy to prove, if we honestly take a look at the evidence.
Look at this verse in the KJV:
And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so [Abraham] begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac [begat] Jacob; and Jacob [begat] the twelve patriarchs. Acts 7:8 (KJV)

- - - Notice the words "eighth day". The Greek word for "day" in this verse is "hay-mer-ah". It is the correct Greek word to use for "day". In the original Greek, hay-mer-ah is correctly used 196 times for the word "day". - - -

Now, look at Acts 20:7 in the KJV. - - -
And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7 (KJV) - -

The word "day" is in brackets, or in the KJV, usually in italics. This means that the Greek word for day, hay-mer-ah, is not there at all. The word "day" was added by the translators. Interesting. Now look at the Greek word used for "week". It is "Sabbaton", which means Sabbath. So, the proper translation is this: "On the first Sabbath" or "On one Sabbath". Now, do you see what a little study brings to light?

 
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but what if the sixth day changes as it does for some people when the Time Line changes? Then you have to change what day you call the Sabbath. The Time line is fixed by man, and it changes days. Go and learn about it and stop making yourself look foolish,
it is really not that difficult. from where I am on the east coast usa, my sundown would be 3 hours later than west coast usa. maybe I am missing something. sundown on the sixth day is sundown, regardless of what the clock or the calendar or man says.
 

trofimus

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If the Messiah broke the Sabbath, that would make Him a sinner, not a Savior. He was accused of breaking the Sabbath many times, but He did not. He broke the man-made ordinance of the Pharisees. He chose His words very carefully when He said, "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath". Notice what He did not say. He did not say, "the Sabbath doesn't matter". He did not say, "I abolish the Sabbath". No, He said it is LEGAL to do good on the Sabbath, proving His the Sabbath still was to be kept.
Mark 2:23-28
One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.

And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”

And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him:
how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?”

And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”


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He did what was not allowed and he admited it. He said He is above the Sabbath, not under it.

You should learn more about Him. But I know, there is no time with all that OT stuff you must study.
 
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Mark 2:23-28
One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.

And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”

And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him:
how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?”

And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”


This is Christ obeying Sabbath? He said He is above the Sabbath, not under it.
He obeyed the Sabbath perfectly, or else He could not be a sin-less sacrifice. The context of plucking the heads of grain, and David and his men eating the showbread, demonstrates His mercy toward the hungry, not ignorance of the commandment.
 

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He obeyed the Sabbath perfectly, or else He could not be a sin-less sacrifice. The context of plucking the heads of grain, and David and his men eating the showbread, demonstrates His mercy toward the hungry, not ignorance of the commandment.
I think you did not read the passage I have posted.

Of course he was not ignorant of the commandment. He admitted that He did what was not allowed.
But He was not a sinner, because He is above the Sabbath!

That means the law of Sabbath is not above Him!

Please, read it again.
 
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Mark 2:23-28
One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.

And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”

And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him:
how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?”

And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”


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He did what was not allowed and he admited it. He said He is above the Sabbath, not under it.

You should learn more about Him. But I know, there is no time with all that OT stuff you must study.
The Pharisees SAID. THOSE WHO ADDED LAWS (MAN-MADE TRADITIONS). Christ did not break the law of God, the Pharisees did, calling their law the traditions of the elders.

Jesus called them hypocrites and snakes and wipers, ravenous wolves.

Jesus could not and would not break the Torah instructions of YHWH.

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Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not ...
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[TD="class: s, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]... Ye do not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor diminish from it, to keep
the commands of Jehovah your God which I am commanding you. .... ...

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Psalm 40:8 I delight to do your will, O my God: yes, your law is within my heart.
1 John 3:4,5 Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression …
 
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The (American) church tried the super-grace theory for years. What are the results? Weak churches, 50% divorce rate, greed, homosexuality, drugs, adultery, theft, other things - all in the "church". It is no fun being the messenger, but for the most part, other than a couple hours on Sunday, you can't tell the (American) church from the non-church. So we don't want rules? How crazy is that?
Yes sir, blame all those social problems on the church. There's a novel idea worth looking into. Maybe we should have a nationwide class action lawsuit against all congregations and throw every pastor in prison for good measure.
 

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Jesus kept the Sabbath but did things that were necessary on the Sabbath such as healing and the picking of heads of grain. He is the Lord of the Sabbath because He created it. Where does it say that we shouldn't keep the Sabbath? I keep it loosely but unfortunately in this day and age it can be hard to do.
 

trofimus

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The Pharisees SAID. THOSE WHO ADDED LAWS (MAN-MADE TRADITIONS). Christ did not break the law of God, the Pharisees did, calling their law the traditions of the elders.

Jesus called them hypocrites and snakes and wipers, ravenous wolves.

Jesus could not and would not break the Torah instructions of YHWH.

Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to ...[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="class: s, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]... What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou
shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. ...

Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not ...
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="class: s, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]... Ye do not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor diminish from it, to keep
the commands of Jehovah your God which I am commanding you. .... ...

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Psalm 40:8 I delight to do your will, O my God: yes, your law is within my heart.
1 John 3:4,5 Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression …
I think you did not read that passage properly, either.

Look at what Christ responded - He admitted that it was not allowed to do on the Sabbath, but it did not matter because He is above the Sabbath.
 
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No, Paul did not suggest another day. People twist his words and think he said lots of things. Almighty God chose the day. He wrote it in stone with His very own finger.
You mean......

Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was" (2 Corinthians 3:7)

??
 

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Enough is enough. Eight pages here, and numerous threads on this subject have revealed nothing new to me, nor anyone commenting here. I will make a peace offering. The Sabbath began yesterday, everyone stop and celebrate the remainder of it, exactly as God told us to celebrate it. Check out the scripture for instructions (don't take anyone's word for it, read the scripture). Then immediately following the end of the Sabbath, (the next day), join me in worshiping (celebrating) the Savior who arose from the grave so that I could know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I have eternal life in Him.

Don't bother to reply, I'm to old and set in my ways to argue with you.
 

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this post bears repeating.

if you will honor the sabbath today, then meditate on what the Almighty's purpose was, in giving the sabbath laws to the Israelites of old:


It's edifying to understand what the purpose of the 4th commandment was.

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you. Exodus 31:13

Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them. Ezekiel 20:12

Resting in the fact that it is the lord who sanctifies us, and not our own works of self-righteousness, fulfills the righteousness of that law.
 

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-no good standing with our Savior if you do not believe Moses and the prophets.

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I
the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"


If Paul taught against the law (which is not true) then he certainly wouldn't have worshiped
by believing those things written therein. Paul was not a deceiver by opposing his own beliefs
that he taught to others.

Acts 26:7 (KJV)
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come.
For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

-here Paul says that his hope to come, is in the promises given to the twelve tribes.

Romans 9:4
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,
and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

-the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory, belong to Israel


-

1. Paul was a Pharisee. A teacher of God's law. He continued to
call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church.

(Acts 23:6) Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees,
called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.
I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."

2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him.

(Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,


3. Paul called God's law holy.

(Romans 7:12) So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy,
righteous and good.


4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin.

(1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.

5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.

(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means!
Rather we uphold the law.

6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84
times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.

(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue,
and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church.
(And ironically, he's still being accused today.)

(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among
the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children
or live according to our customs.


8. These accusations were shown to be false.

(Acts 21:21) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth
in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.


9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this,
and said he does live according to the law.

(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,


10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.

(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.

(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.


12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.

(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.


13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.

(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,


14. Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.

(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.

If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.


15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".

Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....

(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?


16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".

Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)


17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.

(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.

(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.

(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.

(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you
may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
 

trofimus

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-no good standing with our Savior if you do not believe Moses and the prophets.

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I
the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"


If Paul taught against the law (which is not true) then he certainly wouldn't have worshiped
by believing those things written therein. Paul was not a deceiver by opposing his own beliefs
that he taught to others.

Acts 26:7 (KJV)
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come.
For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

-here Paul says that his hope to come, is in the promises given to the twelve tribes.

Romans 9:4
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,
and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

-the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory, belong to Israel


-

1. Paul was a Pharisee. A teacher of God's law. He continued to
call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church.

(Acts 23:6) Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees,
called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.
I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."

2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him.

(Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,


3. Paul called God's law holy.

(Romans 7:12) So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy,
righteous and good.


4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin.

(1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.

5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.

(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means!
Rather we uphold the law.

6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84
times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.

(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue,
and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church.
(And ironically, he's still being accused today.)

(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among
the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children
or live according to our customs.


8. These accusations were shown to be false.

(Acts 21:21) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth
in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.


9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this,
and said he does live according to the law.

(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,


10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.

(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.

(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.


12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.

(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.


13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.

(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,


14. Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.

(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.

If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.


15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".

Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....

(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?


16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".

Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)


17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.

(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.

(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.

(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.

(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you
may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
Problem is, that you must ignore lot of very clear Bible verses to make your view look possible.

Like Acts 15:28:

"The apostles and elders...to the Gentile believers:

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."



Until you will have some good responses to such verses, your view is impossible to accept.
 
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Problem is, that you must ignore lot of very clear Bible verses to make your view look possible.

Like Acts 15:28:

"The apostles and elders...to the Gentile believers:

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."



Until you will have some good responses to such verses, your view is impossible to accept.
The answer is right there in Acts 15

For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

Gentile believers were not instructed to go to Sunday church and learn the law of Moses but to go to the synagogues every Sabbath and learn the law of Moses. Now this was after the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Someone forgot the laws were nailed to the cross?

Romans 4:Release from the Law
3So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law and is not an adulteress, even if she marries another man.4Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the Lawthrough the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we lived according to the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the Law were at work in our bodies, bearing fruit for death.…

LAW (not plural)

Deuteronomy 24:1If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, 2and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, 3and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, 4then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the Lord. Do not bring sin upon the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.

Jeremiah 3:8I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery.

Jeremiah 3:1“If a man divorces his wifeand she leaves him and marries another man,should he return to her again?Would not the land be completely defiled?But you have lived as a prostitute with many lovers—would you now return to me?”


Jeremiah 3:11The Lord said to me, “Faithless Israel is more righteous than unfaithful Judah. 12Go, proclaim this message toward the north:“ ‘Return, faithless Israel,’ declares the Lord,
‘I will frown on you no longer,
for I am faithful,’ declares the Lord,
‘I will not be angry forever.
13Only acknowledge your guilt—
you have rebelled against the Lord your God,
you have scattered your favors to foreign gods
under every spreading tree,
and have not obeyed me,’ ”

Jesus came as "God with us".

Jesus had to die and ressurect in order for the House of Israel to be able to return to God without God violating His own law (Deuteronomy 24)

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life.

God's invite in the time of ancient Israel has always been open to non-Israelites.

God says He does not change.

Jesus did not come to start a new religion that excludes Israel.

Paul did not come to start a new religion that excludes Israel.

The division of the church and Israel is a lie and many claim this lie to be their truth, thus those with eyes to see and ears to here will fully understand the gospel of the kingdom, the rules of the kingdom, and the king of kings and Lord of lords who had to die for all are sinners and their is no salvation available apart from believing on Jesus Christ, and also dying to our old natures that we may live in newness of life.

We are adopted and grafted into Israel. The new covenant is not for Gentiles.

Jeremiah 31:31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[SUP]d[/SUP] them,[SUP]e[/SUP]
declares the Lord.
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”

Hebrews 8:The New Covenant
7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second. 8Butwhen God found fault with the people, He said:“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel andwith the house of Judah. 9It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they did not abide by My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.…

Deuteronomy 29:The Covenant in Moab
13in order that He may establish you today as His people and that He may be your God, just as He spoke to you and as He swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 14"Now not with you alone am I making this covenant and this oath, 15but both with those who stand here with us today in the presence of the LORD our God and with those who are not with us here today…
Hebrews 10:
Christ's Perfect Sacrifice
15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First He says: 16“This is the covenant I will make with themafter those days, says the Lord. I will put My Laws intheir hearts and inscribe them on their minds.” 17Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”…

Ezekiel 20:Rebellion in Egypt
10"So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11"I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live. 12"Also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.…

What? Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel so we know it is the LORD who sanctifies Israel?

Are you saved by grace and yet cannot love God the way He says He wants? Because He first loved me, I desire Him and His ways which we are instructed in Torah, our blueprint to holy and set apart living.

I choose to believe on Jesus and His redemptive work. Praising YHWH for His abundant GRACE!