Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh
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Good post...and yes ...there certainly is "an accuser of the brethren's voice". Sometimes he uses his own tactics on us and sometimes he uses other people to accuse believers - and sometimes even so-called good Christian people unwittingly by them. It's a shame but we are not ignorant of his devices.
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I don't see Ben serving anyone but our Lord Jesus. Not sure where you are coming from saying he serves someone else (guessing satan). Why does everyone have to be a non believer when they don't agree with your theology? Maybe it is your theology that is wrong? Ever think about that?
I see both sides of the issue and I think if we just come to the middle and meet we would see that we aren't that much different from each other in beliefs. We all believe Jesus died for our sins and we need Him for eternal life and salvation. We all believe it is by Grace we are saved through faith and not works. Well at least most of us here believe this.
So what are we actually arguing over? That someone needs to repent of sins continuously? I believe if someone is a true Christian they will do this in their own way. Some, like myself, verbally admit to my wrongs when I do them. Others might just change what they are doing. God knows what is in each of our hearts and will know if someone is truly sorry for what they do and is trying to change. Isn't us changing suppose to be what happens to us while we grow in Christ?
I just think people look for little things to argue over and then throw out needless accusations that someone isn't serving God. I can tell we all have a passion for Christ and we all can discuss our differences without throwing out accusations toward each other.
I see both sides of the issue and I think if we just come to the middle and meet we would see that we aren't that much different from each other in beliefs. We all believe Jesus died for our sins and we need Him for eternal life and salvation. We all believe it is by Grace we are saved through faith and not works. Well at least most of us here believe this.
So what are we actually arguing over? That someone needs to repent of sins continuously? I believe if someone is a true Christian they will do this in their own way. Some, like myself, verbally admit to my wrongs when I do them. Others might just change what they are doing. God knows what is in each of our hearts and will know if someone is truly sorry for what they do and is trying to change. Isn't us changing suppose to be what happens to us while we grow in Christ?
I just think people look for little things to argue over and then throw out needless accusations that someone isn't serving God. I can tell we all have a passion for Christ and we all can discuss our differences without throwing out accusations toward each other.
Nonsense...that is a "construct" of your own mind.
It is odd how people come to exactly the same idea.
You are a sinner when you sin.
You are righteous when you walk in righteousness, do righteous deeds and do not sin.
You cannot be righteous while sinning. That is just delusion and hypocracy.
Language is just langauge. Now people can lie to themselves, say whatever they like
but sin is sin.
So equally if you walk in love, purity and blamelessness, you are not going to continually
sin day in day out. Either you have no clue what is blamelessness or you are not sinning it
is just ocd.
What reminds me people are making it up as they go, is because as the argument changes
and what is obviously true and what is false, makes the argument now different.
What these people are convinced about is we are evil and they are good even when their
behaviour and language simply does not add up.
It is odd how people come to exactly the same idea.
You are a sinner when you sin.
You are righteous when you walk in righteousness, do righteous deeds and do not sin.
You cannot be righteous while sinning. That is just delusion and hypocracy.
Language is just langauge. Now people can lie to themselves, say whatever they like
but sin is sin.
So equally if you walk in love, purity and blamelessness, you are not going to continually
sin day in day out. Either you have no clue what is blamelessness or you are not sinning it
is just ocd.
What reminds me people are making it up as they go, is because as the argument changes
and what is obviously true and what is false, makes the argument now different.
What these people are convinced about is we are evil and they are good even when their
behaviour and language simply does not add up.
That's a good question. I don't know. God knows the heart.
Some could be stuck in sin - not knowing how to be free. When you have people telling them to just stop but they can't - they lose hope and just give in to it feeling doomed. The answer is to preach the gospel of the grace of Christ to them. I believe we need to hear the gospel every day in some form in order to grow in Christ.
If they are true children of God - He will "child-train" them to get them to grow and trust in Him.
One person in 1 Cor. chapter 5 - Paul turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. This can only be done by people that have true spiritual authority as a mature son in Christ and attached to that local body of believers in which this guy was a part of.
I don't know when this operates but I do know it's under the authority of the Lord - which is what Paul said.
Some could be stuck in sin - not knowing how to be free. When you have people telling them to just stop but they can't - they lose hope and just give in to it feeling doomed. The answer is to preach the gospel of the grace of Christ to them. I believe we need to hear the gospel every day in some form in order to grow in Christ.
If they are true children of God - He will "child-train" them to get them to grow and trust in Him.
One person in 1 Cor. chapter 5 - Paul turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. This can only be done by people that have true spiritual authority as a mature son in Christ and attached to that local body of believers in which this guy was a part of.
I don't know when this operates but I do know it's under the authority of the Lord - which is what Paul said.
Here is a slander. "We boast in self." No we say Christ gives us love that means
we are cleansed and freed from sin. Through Christ we have the victory.
"Attacking others?" Well we are continually attacked as boasting in self, slandering,
full of malice and hatred. I never thought just stating what is going on is either
attacking or doing anything than just being truthfull.
"Bearing false witness" - It is hard quoting what is being said word for word is
bearing false witness. In a court room this would be called truthfull evidence.
Now I will always say I am a sinner saved by grace.
6+ months ago I was told this was wrong, I was a saint in Gods eyes.
Now saying I walk in Gods purity, I am a pharisee saying I am not a sinner.
You can never win with these people. We are just the enemy...lol
I know one thing, I have one Lord and Saviour who through the cross showed me
the Kingdom of Heaven in which he empowers me to walk in purity and holiness.
It is in this victory that He came and died. Thankyou dear Lord Jesus, Amen.
we are cleansed and freed from sin. Through Christ we have the victory.
"Attacking others?" Well we are continually attacked as boasting in self, slandering,
full of malice and hatred. I never thought just stating what is going on is either
attacking or doing anything than just being truthfull.
"Bearing false witness" - It is hard quoting what is being said word for word is
bearing false witness. In a court room this would be called truthfull evidence.
Now I will always say I am a sinner saved by grace.
6+ months ago I was told this was wrong, I was a saint in Gods eyes.
Now saying I walk in Gods purity, I am a pharisee saying I am not a sinner.
You can never win with these people. We are just the enemy...lol
I know one thing, I have one Lord and Saviour who through the cross showed me
the Kingdom of Heaven in which he empowers me to walk in purity and holiness.
It is in this victory that He came and died. Thankyou dear Lord Jesus, Amen.
G77 is saying the same thing - through Christ we have the victory...not through striving really hard to be better but through HIM in us because in US, there is no good thing.
In fact, G777 is saying it is ONLY through Christ and what He has done, and continues to do, for us, that we can have victory. We could strive really hard for 50 years to be holy and upright and we would fail in it if we were not trusting Him to finish the good work He began in us.
All He needs is for us to agree there is no good thing in us and trust in Him to make us what He said He will make us.
In fact, G777 is saying it is ONLY through Christ and what He has done, and continues to do, for us, that we can have victory. We could strive really hard for 50 years to be holy and upright and we would fail in it if we were not trusting Him to finish the good work He began in us.
All He needs is for us to agree there is no good thing in us and trust in Him to make us what He said He will make us.
It is an interesting thing to suggest people are saying the same thing, because they
are convinced they are not.
The construct is religious people mean this ...... but we mean this .......
What is really going on is an attempt at spiritually undermining people and their
spiritual experience. The slander is I believe in salvation by works, when I have
always said I believe is salvation through faith in Christ.
What for me what is weird is to claim anyone uses repentance as a way of boasting.
It only comes because people are getting desperate because they know they are loosing the
argument. Repentance is summarised by Nineveh and Jonah. That is the sign
for this generation. No more needs to be said, accept Gods terms or stand
judged.
are convinced they are not.
The construct is religious people mean this ...... but we mean this .......
What is really going on is an attempt at spiritually undermining people and their
spiritual experience. The slander is I believe in salvation by works, when I have
always said I believe is salvation through faith in Christ.
What for me what is weird is to claim anyone uses repentance as a way of boasting.
It only comes because people are getting desperate because they know they are loosing the
argument. Repentance is summarised by Nineveh and Jonah. That is the sign
for this generation. No more needs to be said, accept Gods terms or stand
judged.
No one has tried to undermine your experience. I think it is plain for all to see you have a heart for God.
It is simply not true that knowing what sin is then makes us capable of stopping it. It only makes us aware that we are helpless before it and can't stop it because that sin is in us. Which makes us cry to Him and depend on Him.
I have seen a lot of growth in you the last few months and I rejoice for you.
I have seen growth in G777 and I rejoice for him.
I don't want to accuse either of you of anything. I want to rejoice with you both. You've both taught me a lot!
It is simply not true that knowing what sin is then makes us capable of stopping it. It only makes us aware that we are helpless before it and can't stop it because that sin is in us. Which makes us cry to Him and depend on Him.
I have seen a lot of growth in you the last few months and I rejoice for you.
I have seen growth in G777 and I rejoice for him.
I don't want to accuse either of you of anything. I want to rejoice with you both. You've both taught me a lot!
Hmmm...I do not think that when I was having such a problem with wanting to defend myself and stick up for myself a while back that I was refusing to turn from my sin. I tried so hard I think I ground the enamel off my teeth. But I was helpless before this enemy. I was trying with all my might to stop sinning. I wasn't refusing to turn from this sin - I COULDN'T stop. It was only when I saw that there was no way but to go to Him that I began to have victory. I knew it was sin to defend myself and demand that people treat me well, but I couldn't stop. Now if I hadn't even seen it was sin, or insisted it wasn't sin, then I guess I would have been in an even worse state than trying to make my own self holy. Actually, I WAS in that worse state, but I don't really know which state IS worse...I guess partial blindness is better than total blindness. But I WAS in that worse state, and this after having received the Holy Spirit, because I didn't even know it was sin at first. But then even AFTER I knew it was sin, I was still trying to gain the mastery in an unlawful way...holiness is through faith in Christ alone.
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That is the difference though. You knew you were sinning and wanted to stop but couldn't. The only way to truly stop sinning is fighting it spiritually and physically. We can't do it on our own. I will give an example of what I am talking about.
I was on a Facebook page for Andrew Wommack. I was in a discussion on sin and turning from it and a gentleman I was speaking with said he was a Christian and believed in the hyper grace theology. He was supporting others in the discussion that no matter what we do we are covered if we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior. I agreed that people make mistakes and sins and they are covered by the blood of Jesus. He then went on to say a Christian could live in continuous sin and felt it was ok to do so. Well to make a long story short this gentleman was an active homosexual who lived with his partner and they were both (claiming to be) born again Christians. They felt no shame for what they were doing and felt it was totally ok to be the way they are because no matter what they did they were covered under Grace.
This is the type of nonsense I don't agree with and believe the bible specifically says these type of Christians are not Christians but have fallen in the false conversion area.
I was on a Facebook page for Andrew Wommack. I was in a discussion on sin and turning from it and a gentleman I was speaking with said he was a Christian and believed in the hyper grace theology. He was supporting others in the discussion that no matter what we do we are covered if we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior. I agreed that people make mistakes and sins and they are covered by the blood of Jesus. He then went on to say a Christian could live in continuous sin and felt it was ok to do so. Well to make a long story short this gentleman was an active homosexual who lived with his partner and they were both (claiming to be) born again Christians. They felt no shame for what they were doing and felt it was totally ok to be the way they are because no matter what they did they were covered under Grace.
This is the type of nonsense I don't agree with and believe the bible specifically says these type of Christians are not Christians but have fallen in the false conversion area.