Dietary Laws?

[disciplemike]

I think that the problem for some people is, that you are still repeating your errors in new and new threads, even though Scriptures and history records were shown to you that you are wrong

For me, it does not matter, its good to be practising the faith. But some others dont want to read the same errors over and over again.

You can stay in the threads you have already created about your law business. Why to have 10 of them?

sir, it is not a rule that you have to reply to all of them. although you are certainly welcome.

 

[disciplemike]

God Himself prophesied (Genesis 9:3) that some day everything that crawls on the ground would no longer be religiously wrong to eat, just as He gave us the green herb. In Peter's vision God told him to eat pig, Peter replied it was unclean, God replied not to call unclean what God has made clean. We are no longer under Moses but under Christ (Romans 7:1-4). And under Christ it is not religiously wrong to eat pork, just as it is not religiously wrong for a Gentile to be a genuine child of God.

This is because the law is no longer physical but spiritual. Christ nailed the physical way to the cross. This does not mean God changed His mind- just that He's doing the same thing in a different way. Actually the old way was not the real way. It was only a shadow of the real way that was to come with Christ. To God what is spiritual is more real than what is physical- which makes sense, because spiritual can exist without physical, but physical cannot exist without spiritual.

Colossians 2:17- These were a SHADOW of things to come, the REALITY however is found in Christ.

Peter's vision was not about food, it was about people. Peter himself gives the meaning of the vision.

 

[garee]

Also, pigs were created to be scavengers. They have a purpose, just like other scavengers on land and in the sea. They clean up! How brilliant is our Creator! Pigs are for clean-up, not food.

Pigs are used as unclean animals just as donkeys .They represent children of no faith as in natural unconverted man as those who must be redeemed.

The ceremonial laws as shadows pointed to the lamb that would redeem them.

When Legion in Luke was redeemed he cast out the lying spirits as swines to show that the angels that left there first place of habitat were not subject to salvation, so down into the bottomless pit they went.

The clean foods used were more healthy as a sign the the Jews lived longer but the gospel is not concerned with this world,(flesh and blood) but salvation in the new heaven and earth. Our focus remins on the unseen we walk by faith not by that which we put into our mouths as if they could give us spirit life.

So good dietary advice but not something that could enter of mouths into our stomach as if they could enter of heart and soul to begin with and not come out as draught every time. .

 

[disciplemike]

Pigs are used as unclean animals just as donkeys .They represent children of no faith as in natural unconverted man as those who must be redeemed.

The ceremonial laws as shadows pointed to the lamb that would redeem them.

When Legion in Luke was redeemed he cast out the lying spirits as swines to show that the angels that left there first place of habitat were not subject to salvation, so down into the bottomless pit they went.

The clean foods used were more healthy as a sign the the Jews lived longer but the gospel is not concerned with this world,(flesh and blood) but salvation in the new heaven and earth. Our focus remins on the unseen we walk by faith not by that which we put into our mouths as if they could give us spirit life.

So good dietary advice but not something that could enter of mouths into our stomach as if they could enter of heart and soul to begin with and not come out as draught every time. .

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:15-17 (KJV)

 

[garee]

Peter's vision was not about food, it was about people. Peter himself gives the meaning of the vision.

Peter did not understand the parable (vision). The spiritual meaning was hid from Peter . (three times and your'e out.)God sent a gentile to help him with the spiritual understanding.

You suggest it was about people .So when God told Him to eat. Was Peter to eat His own flesh.

But yes it was about Peter .he like yourself refused to except the fact that they were ceremonial foods used as a parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

 

[Grace777x70]

Jesus Himself declared all foods clean. When Jesus appeared on the Transfiguration with Moses who brought the Law and Elijah the Law-restorer for Israel had went after other gods.

When Peter said it is good for us to build 3 tabernacles for all 3. The white cloud of God showed up and said "This is my beloved Son, hear Him" When man tries to bring back the Law - the Father will point them to "hear Him" only. When they had been afraid of the voice , they looked up and saw "Jesus only" ( Matt. 17:8 )...this is what we are to do too as New Covenant believers in Christ.

Mark 7:18-20 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And He *said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,

[SUP]19 [/SUP] because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.

 

[JaumeJ]

I fellit bears repeating. Jesus, Yeshua, teaches us all that nothing bye entering the body will contaminate the body......... This is not spoken in dark words; it is clear.

As for extending mercy, I would never condemn (pretend to have the authority) anyone for eating pork, shell fish, fish with no scales, etc, and I cannot believe God would either, especially after making the declaration above....

 

[disciplemike]

Peter did not understand the parable (vision). The spiritual meaning was hid from Peter . (three times and your'e out.)God sent a gentile to help him with the spiritual understanding.

You suggest it was about people .So when God told Him to eat. Was Peter to eat His own flesh.

But yes it was about Peter .he like yourself refused to except the fact that they were ceremonial foods used as a parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean.
Acts 10:28 (ESV2011)

 

[disciplemike]

Jesus Himself declared all foods clean. When Jesus appeared on the Transfiguration with Moses who brought the Law and Elijah the Law-restorer for Israel had went after other gods.

When Peter said it is good for us to build 3 tabernacles for all 3. The white cloud of God showed up and said "This is my beloved Son, hear Him" When man tries to bring back the Law - the Father will point them to "hear Him" only. When they had been afraid of the voice , they looked up and saw "Jesus only" ( Matt. 17:8 )...this is what we are to do too as New Covenant believers in Christ.

Mark 7:18-20 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And He *said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,

[SUP]19 [/SUP] because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.

Let's compare two translations of scripture:

Mark 7:18 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?
Mark 7:19 (NIV) For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
Mark 7:18 (KJV) And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mark 7:19 (KJV) Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
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Those two translations do not say the same thing. The King James does not have Jesus declaring all foods clean, in the biblical sense. It is saying all food passes through the body and is expelled. Jesus is not removing the prohibition on eating unclean animals. Modern translations like the NIV that say Jesus declared all foods clean are in error, and are intentionally mistranslated in order to justify eating the biblically unclean animals.

 

[disciplemike]

I fellit bears repeating. Jesus, Yeshua, teaches us all that nothing bye entering the body will contaminate the body......... This is not spoken in dark words; it is clear.

As for extending mercy, I would never condemn (pretend to have the authority) anyone for eating pork, shell fish, fish with no scales, etc, and I cannot believe God would either, especially after making the declaration above....

Maybe he forgot to tell Peter?
(this was years after the ascension of Messiah)
But Peter said, "By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.", Acts 10:14 (ESV2011)

Peter was a real apostle, under the direct teaching of Messiah, even sharing in meals. How could Peter not know?

 

[Grace777x70]

Let's compare two translations of scripture:

Mark 7:18 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?
Mark 7:19 (NIV) For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
Mark 7:18 (KJV) And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mark 7:19 (KJV) Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
​

Those two translations do not say the same thing. The King James does not have Jesus declaring all foods clean, in the biblical sense. It is saying all food passes through the body and is expelled. Jesus is not removing the prohibition on eating unclean animals. Modern translations like the NIV that say Jesus declared all foods clean are in error, and are intentionally mistranslated in order to justify eating the biblically unclean animals.

The KJ Version has a few errors in it as been shown. It's because it was based on the texts the translators had at the time

All other translations that use the majority of the texts have that Jesus "declared all foods clean" in it.

I realize it "conflicts" with your religion and it is "supposed to"...selah



[SUP]19 [/SUP] because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

 

[garee]

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:15-17 (KJV)

Excellent reference in that parable. It refers to the slain of the lord, those with no faith, natural unconverted man. A mouse is used in the same ceremonial way . Eating swine’s flesh represents eating or taking in false prophecy. Just as the poison of serpent is used they are both used to represent the lying authority of Satan . The believer will not be harmed.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Calling down judgement to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Is used in respect the confederacy, the improper union. They went out from us because they were not of us. God defines the us in Him .Not the church.

 

[disciplemike]

All other translations that use the majority of the texts have that Jesus "declared all foods clean" in it.

I realize it "conflicts" with your religion and it is "supposed to"...selah



[SUP]19 [/SUP] because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

the word for purge there is this:G2511
katharizo (kath-ar-id'-zo) v.
1. to cleanse

It is used 29 times in the Greek New Testament. No where in Scripture is that word used to "declare" anything.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The KJ Version has a few errors in it as been shown. It's because it was based on the texts the translators had at the time

All other translations that use the majority of the texts have that Jesus "declared all foods clean" in it.

I realize it "conflicts" with your religion and it is "supposed to"...selah



[SUP]19 [/SUP] because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

Morning Grace777,

Don't worry, no matter how many ways the Holy Spirit says it, Disciplemike will not believe it and he has an answer or should I say, a circumvention for every proof of scripture. Since he says that Jesus didn't declare all foods clean, the Holy Spirit, through Paul, did in the following:

"I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean."

I can see more and more, why Jesus said that "many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord."

 

[garee]

And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean.

Well Cornelius was a gentile sent to visit Peter a Jew who could not understand the parable .I think in doing so God has informed us we are not to call any person common or unclean. For in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

If we eat each other .Where would the substance be?

Galatians 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Are we to eat the flesh of a Jew? And if not what is the spiritual meaning used in parable: eat my flesh as it refers to Christ.

What is the spiritual meaning of drink my blood? or do we drink literal blood and eat literal flesh?

 

[JaumeJ]

What Peter knew at one time or another is superfluous regarding the words Christ pronounced on the subject.

What Jesus has taught is taught indeed.

As far as Peter's making that statement about not having ever eaten anything unclean, he did not yet even understand teh v ision he was having. Also, reading the Word, we see that all things had not yet been made clear to any of the disciples since the day of Pentecost was after the crucifixion and resurrection of our Lord and Savior.

Please do not intimate to fellows in Christ that Jesus could possibly forgotten anything.

Maybe he forgot to tell Peter?
(this was years after the ascension of Messiah)
But Peter said, "By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.", Acts 10:14 (ESV2011)

Peter was a real apostle, under the direct teaching of Messiah, even sharing in meals. How could Peter not know?

 

[disciplemike]

What Peter knew at one time or another is superfluous regarding the words Christ pronounced on the subject.

What Jesus has taught is taught indeed.

As far as Peter's making that statement about not having ever eaten anything unclean, he did not yet even understand teh v ision he was having. Also, reading the Word, we see that all things had not yet been made clear to any of the disciples since the day of Pentecost was after the crucifixion and resurrection of our Lord and Savior.

Please do not intimate to fellows in Christ that Jesus could possibly forgotten anything.

That was a rhetorical question.
Of course He didn't forget to tell Peter. Because He never "declared all foods clean". That is a bad translation.

 

[garee]

the word for purge there is this:G2511
katharizo (kath-ar-id'-zo) v.
1. to cleanse

It is used 29 times in the Greek New Testament. No where in Scripture is that word used to "declare" anything.

Scripture is the declaration of God. It as God’s perfect law and not a private interpretation as an opinion of men quickens of soul by cleansing our new hearts. This gives us simply one His understanding so that we can seek after Him who has no form .It’s called faith. .

Food designed for our stomach is cleansed from our fleshly bodies when it comes out as draught. It would seem the spiritual understandings of that parable is hid. Eating bread is necessary food for these bodies that will die .Christians esteem the words of his mouth more than our necessary food.

If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not “into his heart”, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? Mar 7:16

 

[trofimus]

That was a rhetorical question.
Of course He didn't forget to tell Peter. Because He never "declared all foods clean". That is a bad translation.

You dont get it. Its in brackets because its a commentary of the gospel author. Gospel was written later than the events in Acts.

With the knowledge they got in Acts they could see what Christ did with meals in this passage and add the explanation.

 

[trofimus]

The KJ Version has a few errors in it as been shown. It's because it was based on the texts the translators had at the time

All other translations that use the majority of the texts have that Jesus "declared all foods clean" in it.

I realize it "conflicts" with your religion and it is "supposed to"...selah



[SUP]19 [/SUP] because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

Wow, good point, I did not know that only KJV does not have it.

I looked into the Textus Receptus from 1550 and it is there. Also other reformation translations have it.

Interesting, another error in KJV without errors