Bearing fruit
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ISIT - answer this question.
Can someone that wilfully sins by having malice and slander or hatred ( which are all works of the flesh ) and not repenting of them go to heaven if they die tonight?
I want to know about this "living after the flesh" idea.
I believe this question will reveal some things. It is a legitimate question about "real life" situations and living after the flesh.
Answer the question below so that we understand what "living after the flesh" looks like in real life:
Let's look at this sin business for a bit. Slander is just as much a sin as fornication. ( Gal. 5 )
So, let's say someone has been slandering other people for years. All of a sudden they die...does this one that was slandering people now not go to heaven?
...in some people's thinking they would go to hell because they have been "living after the flesh"?
Or what about gluttony which is a sin - what if someone has a battle with overeating all the time and they die - do they go to hell because they were not able to overcome this as this is "living after the flesh" too?
These 2 scenarios above would be people "living in the flesh" and as you call being a servant to sin ( even though they are free in Christ but don't know it yet and haven't gown up in the Lord enough spiritually to overcome them ).
These 2 groups of people in some people's theology would not be children of God and thus go to hell..is that right?
Can someone that wilfully sins by having malice and slander or hatred ( which are all works of the flesh ) and not repenting of them go to heaven if they die tonight?
I want to know about this "living after the flesh" idea.
I believe this question will reveal some things. It is a legitimate question about "real life" situations and living after the flesh.
Answer the question below so that we understand what "living after the flesh" looks like in real life:
Let's look at this sin business for a bit. Slander is just as much a sin as fornication. ( Gal. 5 )
So, let's say someone has been slandering other people for years. All of a sudden they die...does this one that was slandering people now not go to heaven?
...in some people's thinking they would go to hell because they have been "living after the flesh"?
Or what about gluttony which is a sin - what if someone has a battle with overeating all the time and they die - do they go to hell because they were not able to overcome this as this is "living after the flesh" too?
These 2 scenarios above would be people "living in the flesh" and as you call being a servant to sin ( even though they are free in Christ but don't know it yet and haven't gown up in the Lord enough spiritually to overcome them ).
These 2 groups of people in some people's theology would not be children of God and thus go to hell..is that right?
Oh okay then you do see it. I thought you were saying I was trailing off in a different direction. You're right I just noticed the Scripture you gave us a perfect example of what I was saying.
My mistake
My mistake
I tossed the one in (you see now) to show you I can see you can sin hating your brother, but that also shows it had less to do with word or tongue (even there) and everything to do with doing so in deed and in truth.
My opinion? I know you didn't ask me - but here goes - foot in mouth!!
I don't think the basis of getting to heaven is the sins we commit - it is based on our faith in God.
The Christian can and may commit any of the sins you mention, but if his faith is in Christ, any and all are forgiven because of the blood of Jesus Christ.
I don't think the basis of getting to heaven is the sins we commit - it is based on our faith in God.
The Christian can and may commit any of the sins you mention, but if his faith is in Christ, any and all are forgiven because of the blood of Jesus Christ.
So if they repent, they can be three, four and five times dead?
Interesting because Scripture says no man can tear us out of His hand, nothing can separate me from His love, and it's not I who live but Christ in me, and He will never leave us or forsake us.
Maybe you should find out about those Scriptures.
Interesting because Scripture says no man can tear us out of His hand, nothing can separate me from His love, and it's not I who live but Christ in me, and He will never leave us or forsake us.
Maybe you should find out about those Scriptures.
My answer is the same as it was the very first time you asked it. But after I answered it with scripture, then you tried to imply I was saying something else by injecting your own assumptions into my response by saying, "So you are saying......" But that was not what I was saying. Then you even reworded the question to try make it seem like I was saying something I was not. That is why I told you the last few times you tried this again I am not playing your games because you try to misrepresent what I say, like you also do with scripture. BYE!
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If it is your righteousness, or "my righteousness" then it is not Christ's. And you guys say we preach "self righteousness." LOL
That is right ..... the righteousness in me is God's imputed righteousness by the finished work of Christ on the cross. To God be the Glory!
That is my right standing in God by His work not mine!
Mock me if you will it actual brings me joy!
As we say here in Canada,
Je suis tout fini!
I know there is nothing more I can say that will persuade you.
I agree...so it is possible for Christians to walk after the flesh and still go to heaven because we could put any number of scenarios in there.
I say let's preach the grace of Christ as it teaches us how to live godly in this present world and this includes all types of sin like malice ( name-calling, insults ) slander, hatred, strife as well as the "biggie sins" like drunkenness and murder, stealing, adultery.
I say let's preach the grace of Christ as it teaches us how to live godly in this present world and this includes all types of sin like malice ( name-calling, insults ) slander, hatred, strife as well as the "biggie sins" like drunkenness and murder, stealing, adultery.