Bearing fruit

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Reminds me of that old movie Cool hand Luke, where the guy says "what we seem to have here is a failure to communicate." LOL :)
Last night I was looking for a strawman pic, and I typically dont go to the site itself but I did and I actually read it because of some of the strange things that go on with communications, and it dawned on me that I should pay attention so I can get a clue (because I can be rather dense) but this was interesting

Spotting Spin - The Lies Before Your Eyes - 28 Tricks of the Trade | Truth Lies Deception and Coverups - Democracy Under Fire

Because I was always baffled by what seemed clear and why someone would seemingly try to make it unclear and many other things, I wasnt "getting it" but this link actually helped, (down further where the straw man picture is) LOL Because I didnt intend to read it, but it was good for me to know I think, at least helped me with tactics.


I have to admit I got a clue
 
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The title of the link is sort of weird, Im not a political person I was just looking at that strawman parts lol
 
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Last night I was looking for a strawman pic, and I typically dont go to the site itself but I did and I actually read it because of some of the strange things that go on with communications, and it dawned on me that I should pay attention so I can get a clue (because I can be rather dense) but this was interesting

Spotting Spin - The Lies Before Your Eyes - 28 Tricks of the Trade | Truth Lies Deception and Coverups - Democracy Under Fire

Because I was always baffled by what seemed clear and why someone would seemingly try to make it unclear and many other things, I wasnt "getting it" but this link actually helped, (down further where the straw man picture is) LOL Because I didnt intend to read it, but it was good for me to know I think, at least helped me with tactics.


I have to admit I got a clue
I just skimmed over the article, but yes propaganda and spinning lies are tools of the Devil as well. That article reminded of the tongue being such a little member of the body, but yet can be by itself a world of iniquity being set on fire of hell. So just as God can give his saints a mouth and wisdom by His Holy Spirit, so can Satan give a voice to that littlest of members, and also set it on fire to speak lies and boast many great things.
 
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Last night I was looking for a strawman pic, and I typically dont go to the site itself but I did and I actually read it because of some of the strange things that go on with communications, and it dawned on me that I should pay attention so I can get a clue (because I can be rather dense) but this was interesting

Spotting Spin - The Lies Before Your Eyes - 28 Tricks of the Trade | Truth Lies Deception and Coverups - Democracy Under Fire

Because I was always baffled by what seemed clear and why someone would seemingly try to make it unclear and many other things, I wasnt "getting it" but this link actually helped, (down further where the straw man picture is) LOL Because I didnt intend to read it, but it was good for me to know I think, at least helped me with tactics.


I have to admit I got a clue
For the readers:
From Wikipedia:
In public relations, Spin is a form of propaganda, achieved through providing a biased interpretation of an event or campaigning to persuade public opinion in favor or against some organization or public figure. While traditional public relations may also rely on creative presentation of the facts, "spin" often implies the use of disingenuous, deceptive, and highly manipulative tactics.[SUP][1][/SUP]

Politicians are often accused by their opponents of claiming to be truthful and seek the truth while using spin tactics to manipulate public opinion. Large corporations with sophisticated public relations branches also engage in "spinning" information or events in their favor. Because of the frequent association between spin and press conferences (especially government press conferences), the room in which these take place is sometimes described as a spin room.[SUP][2][/SUP] Public relations advisors, pollsters and media consultants who develop spin may be referred to as "spin doctors" or "spinmeisters"
who manipulate the truth and create a biased interpretation of events for the person or group that hired them.

Now, dear readers, consider the following..... if in the political/industrial/media circles' spin doctors are paid, why not religion too? We all understand how ridiculous the world is getting, you can't put nothin' past 'em. Why do we view religion so different? Who's to say some on CC aren't been paid for their spin work?

Now humor me for a moment..... isn't that the direction the world is going? As the spin gets more & worse, it's only logical that religion would follow.

After saying that, go back thru the threads & see who's on here constantly all day pushing their agenda. Just do the math.
:)
 
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For the readers:
From Wikipedia:
In public relations, Spin is a form of propaganda, achieved through providing a biased interpretation of an event or campaigning to persuade public opinion in favor or against some organization or public figure. While traditional public relations may also rely on creative presentation of the facts, "spin" often implies the use of disingenuous, deceptive, and highly manipulative tactics.[SUP][1][/SUP]

Politicians are often accused by their opponents of claiming to be truthful and seek the truth while using spin tactics to manipulate public opinion. Large corporations with sophisticated public relations branches also engage in "spinning" information or events in their favor. Because of the frequent association between spin and press conferences (especially government press conferences), the room in which these take place is sometimes described as a spin room.[SUP][2][/SUP] Public relations advisors, pollsters and media consultants who develop spin may be referred to as "spin doctors" or "spinmeisters"
who manipulate the truth and create a biased interpretation of events for the person or group that hired them.

Now, dear readers, consider the following..... if in the political/industrial/media circles' spin doctors are paid, why not religion too? We all understand how ridiculous the world is getting, you can't put nothin' past 'em. Why do we view religion so different? Who's to say some on CC aren't been paid for their spin work?

Now humor me for a moment..... isn't that the direction the world is going? As the spin gets more & worse, it's only logical that religion would follow.

After saying that, go back thru the threads & see who's on here constantly all day pushing their agenda. Just do the math.
:)

I am convinced of similar things moreso by the spirit of them, but I thought that just put the words to the same a little better for me, it actually helped me to understand I wasnt so nuts sensing that tentical like undercurrent to some of it. I better understand that its more about a game and not the truth anyway. So speaking into the air would be far better than engaging in it Im thinking.

But yeah I was taking that link less so according to the political aspect of engaging but moreso in the religious sphere of things.

I wasnt really reccognizing it so much but it would start to get wishy washy or twisty and then leading or whatever (but not so much in what appeared a natural course of things) or of anything that could show a pattern (but a detour). Even the creating of smoke screens (such as those the link pointed out so perfectly).

Like I knew what I saw/or was sensing but I wasnt "getting it" that it was alot more wider spread (such tactics) then I first thought. Im not good at finding words for things you can sometimes perceive without needing them (at least not for yourself) just as when you might perceive a distrust or a danger, you perceive that inner red flag (that warning) and trust the one throwing it up but trying to put that into words (explain to someone else) isnt a given so much, you will follow the one you hear (and trust) in those sorts of things.

God bless
 
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No one is preaching against bacon, or for circumcision, or sabbaths and the blood of bulls and goats, so I havent a clue why Moses is being dragged into the conversation when it is speaking of the blood of Christ.

If the blood of Jesus is considered Moses I have no idea where to go with that one.
new covenant.

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant

Acts 4: Peter and John Before the Council
1 And as they were speaking to the people, the priests and the captain of the temple and the Sadducees came upon them,2 greatly annoyed because they were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection from the dead.3

v

12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."Acts 4:



has the jewish law leaders ,reject jesus christ s a saviour and by doing so, have continued in an old covenant. so the new covenant will have no value to none christian jews. ie acts 4 v 12

The Coming King of Zion
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your king is coming to you;
righteous and having salvation is he,
humble and mounted on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.Zechariah 9

and

Matthew 21: The Triumphal Entry
1 Now when they drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethphage, to the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples,2 saying to them, "Go into the village in front of you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Untie them and bring them to me.3 If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, 'The Lord needs them,' and he will send them at once."4 This took place to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet, saying,
5 "Say to the daughter of Zion,
'Behold, your king is coming to you,
humble, and mounted on a donkey,
and on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.'"
6 The disciples went and did as Jesus had directed them.7 They brought the donkey and the colt and put on them their cloaks, and he sat on them.8 Most of the crowd spread their cloaks on the road, and others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road.9 And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, "Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!"10 And when he entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred up, saying, "Who is this?"11 And the crowds said, "This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee."



the bible went to print in or around , 1500ad, there action and and what jesus christ did, was hidden till the bible was reveled.

the jewish leaders reject jesus, so rejected there own covenant. because they never to heed to what the prophets of an old covenant , had already said. so have continued as if a saviour never came.

peter said and he commanded us to preach to the people

.42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10:
 
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I am convinced of similar things moreso by the spirit of them, but I thought that just put the words to the same a little better for me, it actually helped me to understand I wasnt so nuts sensing that tentical like undercurrent to some of it. I better understand that its more about a game and not the truth anyway. So speaking into the air would be far better than engaging in it Im thinking.

But yeah I was taking that link less so according to the political aspect of engaging but moreso in the religious sphere of things.

I wasnt really reccognizing it so much but it would start to get wishy washy or twisty and then leading or whatever (but not so much in what appeared a natural course of things) or of anything that could show a pattern (but a detour). Even the creating of smoke screens (such as those the link pointed out so perfectly).

Like I knew what I saw/or was sensing but I wasnt "getting it" that it was alot more wider spread (such tactics) then I first thought. Im not good at finding words for things you can sometimes perceive without needing them (at least not for yourself) just as when you might perceive a distrust or a danger, you perceive that inner red flag (that warning) and trust the one throwing it up but trying to put that into words (explain to someone else) isnt a given so much, you will follow the one you hear (and trust) in those sorts of things.

God bless
Ya know the flood of lies and false doctrine was prophesied to come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and has come. Keep in mind it is the Spirit and spirits like wind that move the waters (peoples and voices are shown as waters like in the sea in scripture) Here is an old post I wrote on this flood that was prophesied. Also keep in mind what the purpose of the natural flood in the days of Noah was to accomplish=destroying all those who were flesh.

The flood in the days of Noah were also symbolic of another spiritual flood prophesied here in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”

When did the prince of this world come?
John 14:30; “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”

When did the spiritual flood start? Revelation 12:13-16; “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.And the serpent cast out of his mouth water
as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."


This is the spiritual flood of persecution,
lies and false doctrine that has been ongoing ever since Jesus was caught up unto God. But was all part of the judgments the Lord proclaimed before hand.


This is the same flood waters the Lord spoke of in Isaiah 54:7-9; “
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.In a
little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.”
 
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This post here speaks to the prophecy of the flood of lies and the prophecy of the raging waves of the sea....

In Luke 21:25 Jesus told us of what would occur before the heaven and the earth would be shaken, Jesus said Luke 21:25 “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;”

Jesus was not talking about a literal ocean here, but rather a sea of humanity foaming out their own shame in mocking’s, railings, and blasphemy. This same sign is also shown in
Jude 1:13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.”

Jude describes them as those who speak
evil of things they do not understand, natural brute beasts. These were even among the early disciples being spots in their feasts of charity, those who fruit had withered, even without fruit. Jude then refers to Enoch, and the Lords coming with his saints to execute judgment upon the “ungodly” among them.


Jude describes them as ungodly
sinners with their hard speeches.They are described as murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts, mouths speaking great swelling words. Jude goes on to say in Jude 1:17-19 “But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.[SUP]19 [/SUP]These be they who separate themselves, sensual,having not the Spirit.”


We are told in
2 Peter 3:3 “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,” And also in 2 Timothy 3:1-5 “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,[SUP]4[/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

Many of these traits are also being manifest and displayed openly in those who call themselves Christians, so we know the time drawing near. This sea of
iniquity is like the RED sea of Sin, the sea of humanity which the Lord will also divide.


Job 26:12 “He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.”
Psalm 74:13 “Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.”
Psalm 136:13 “To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for his mercy endureth for ever:”

Isaiah 51:15 “But I am the Lord thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The Lord of hosts is his name.”
Jeremiah 31:35 “Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:”

Isaiah 57:20 “But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.”
 
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I have the floods written up similarly actually, I have pages of the floods, winds, waves and the mountains in various ways, that is a great study (fun too).

Even seeing winds and waters (as spirits and words) carried about by either but depicted by persons (as by who they would come) but less so about flesh and blood (but principalities and powers operating) if I said that right.

This is sort of cool

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Similarly (lol)

Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

We live by Christ, His words are life and we have our fruit by Him also

Ephes 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

I think you need a waters, floods and rivers thread to compare these thing, no? LOL

2 Sam 22:5 and Psalm 93:3 help show it too. We should take this to your other thread (in similitudes)

In respects to fruit, and being filled it speaks of being so (even in Proverbs, and of the fruit of death and of life) the same being filled is shown of righteouesness (as by Christ, who is our life) the fruits thereof (of the Spirit) but also elsewhere of being filled with all unrighteousness also (and the things which ends in death)

Here (along with Proverbs 1:31 and Proverbs 18:20-21
 
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You can sort of see similarities in these though

Psalm 93:4

The LORD on highis mightier than the noise of many waters,
[yea, than] the mighty waves of the sea.


While here,

2 Sam 22:5
When the waves of death compassed me,
the floods of
ungodly men made me afraid;

I mean, heres the floods, Jesus isnt speaking of literal flooding (you get flood insurance for)
:p

Mat 7:25
And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds
and beat upon that house; and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.

Flood and being carried away (with what preceeds from the mouth)

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood
after the woman, that
he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Whereas here it says...

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth
.

Whether of doctrine is as the wind/winds (and being carried away by the same) or as water (depicted as a flood) these come (Mat 7:25) as the same are shown here (coming in as by men)

Ephes 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro,
and carried about
with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness,
whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

You can see a shadow of things (of either) in both in some respect.


Or just the comparisons between what can be shown by observing just the pictures themselves in various places and how the wording could possibly work as long as something can be shown in accord with whichever one.


Psalm 27:4 Who have said, with our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

The tongue
also has the power of death


2Sam 22:5 When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid

Whereas here it says,

Exdodus 15:12Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.

And where we see something like this

Isaiah 59:19 ... When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

Then what materializes here in this picture

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Heb 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.:p

I couldnt resist
;)

I removed the rest of the verses but I dont think that is too difficult to see

Psalm 93:3 The floods have lifted up, O LORD,the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves.


I should return to these those mine are rather choppy, I come back to them and order them up again from time to time when my brain freeze passes
:p

 
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You can sort of see similarities in these though

Psalm 93:4

The LORD on highis mightier than the noise of many waters,
[yea, than] the mighty waves of the sea.


While here,

2 Sam 22:5
When the waves of death compassed me,
the floods of
ungodly men made me afraid;

I mean, heres the floods, Jesus isnt speaking of literal flooding (you get flood insurance for)
:p

Mat 7:25
And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds
and beat upon that house; and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.

Flood and being carried away (with what preceeds from the mouth)

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood
after the woman, that
he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Whereas here it says...

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth
.

Whether of doctrine is as the wind/winds (and being carried away by the same) or as water (depicted as a flood) these come (Mat 7:25) as the same are shown here (coming in as by men)

Ephes 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro,
and carried about
with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness,
whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

You can see a shadow of things (of either) in both in some respect.


Or just the comparisons between what can be shown by observing just the pictures themselves in various places and how the wording could possibly work as long as something can be shown in accord with whichever one.


Psalm 27:4 Who have said, with our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

The tongue
also has the power of death


2Sam 22:5 When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid

Whereas here it says,

Exdodus 15:12Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.

And where we see something like this

Isaiah 59:19 ... When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

Then what materializes here in this picture

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Heb 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.:p

I couldnt resist
;)

I removed the rest of the verses but I dont think that is too difficult to see

Psalm 93:3 The floods have lifted up, O LORD,the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves.


I should return to these those mine are rather choppy, I come back to them and order them up again from time to time when my brain freeze passes
:p

Yea good stuff, you have eyes to see it! It's kinda like the flood in the days of Noah that was sent to destroy all flesh, the fountains of the deep opened up (like fountains of hell being opened up) and a flood coming out of the Dragons mouth. But you also had waters from heaven coming down. As God also divided the earthly waters from the heavenly waters in the beginning, just as He also divided the darkness from the Light. Those would be good posts for that other thread though, because that is comparing natural things and events to spiritual as well.

I had a mini-revelation on something else and I've been working on it to see if it fits with other parts of scripture. I might post on it later by adding it into another thread, which kind of speaks of the same. But good stuff! Peace :)
 
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Exactly, ISIT quoting John was the new covenant not the old, you are getting it now.

Thats the only thing you needed to see that you seem to be missing.
who was john writing to. would not be a gentile. now would it.
if acts 10 and acts 15, said a gentile dose not need a law to receive the holy spirit. or believe in a saviour, then what law are they to repent from. (a gentile)

7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles),

that what is missing in your statement. (temple of stone.) 70 ad

the temple is already away, when you read your bible. so you are in err to your translation of 1 2 3 john.

so how, can it be direct to a gentile. etc
 
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Who is saying the Gentiles needs Moses?

You are going on ignore shortly here because I cant understand either your problem or your posts in respects to even how they are written.

Just point out the problem with scripture if you have one so I can shake you off of whatever it is you feel needs to be gotten into me here. Im growing bored with this.
 
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Who is saying the Gentiles needs Moses?

You are going on ignore shortly here because I cant understand either your problem or your posts in respects to even how they are written.

Just point out the problem with scripture if you have one so I can shake you off of whatever it is you feel needs to be gotten into me here. Im growing bored with this.
Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth
Reminds me of that old movie Cool hand Luke, where the guy says "what we seem to have here is a failure to communicate." LOL :)
Rofl!!!!! Told ya! :)
 
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i wish to say sorry to my brother john,

they put av before light , in 2016. in schools, now to protect blindness, to a government of man.
they need body guards to walk in a av light. in doing so , prevent any fruit, growing. thank you god , for a saviour.