Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh

[PeterJens]

grace is not about continuing in sin and no one has ever said that it is on this site

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As has been said in the past, if anyone here has found out the secret to living sinless in the here and now, ever single Christian here is all ears. They want to be set free from sin, they want to walk in complete victory. To live a year without sin, or even a month (some would argue a day) would be amazing. If someone here is walking sinless, every moment of every single day in their own actions, thoughts, and deeds, they have a moral obligation to share their secret. Unfortunately, those that think they do are walking in denial.

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[AuntieAnt]

Friends, have you noticed that when a post offers light and life, there are many "likes" on it? It reminds me of when Jesus walked this earth and crowds followed hard after him because he was the Light of Life. Deep calls unto deep, our spirit is drawn to the Holy Spirit. We his sheep recognize the Shepherd's voice of truth, and that truth sets people free.

 

[AuntieAnt]

I have much to say about this but I have to stop here and ask my brothers and sisters - do you think it would profit him if I do? I mean, I have a LOT to say in reply, but I don't know if I should just stop and leave it to God, so I am asking you guys. On the one hand, I see some improvement, as I'm sure you all do too, from months ago - and I see that he speaks rashly but then begins to be nudged slightly from the worlds wisdom to the wisdom of God through the verses spoken. I guess I've answered my own question...? Would like your opinion here, guys.

I Corinthians 3:6
I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase (caused it to grow).

Do everything as unto the Lord and God will take care of the rest.

 

[AuntieAnt]

I have a simple question for you who think repentance is simply a turning from sin. VVhen you pray to the Lord and tell Him, "Lord I'm sorry for what I've done. I won't do it again, ever. I am so so sorry." are you capable of fulfilling this promise? This oath? Or is it empty? How often have you repented of a particular sin but you continue to repeat it again and again? So then, tell me, what good does your form of repentance serve you when you're still stuck in the same sin over and over again? VVhere is the power in this repentance? VVhat good are the tears, sulking, and show when you are incapable in your flesh to fulfill this promise to God?

That is the way I see your repentance. People have been attacking hyper-grace and saying that its a license to sin (which is false) and also disagreeing with its presentation of repentance ("a change of mind"). Yet, my question is, what good is your repentance? Hasn't history shown the fruit of the traditional concept of repentance? It is void of confidence before the Lord, assurance in salvation, and the love of God (and the grace of God). In some ways it actually completely ignores what Jesus accomplished at the cross. Confession of sin for the sake of forgiveness? Has Christ died in vain? Did not His shed blood give you the remission of your sins?

There is so much more than meets the eye when it comes to repentance. It is tainted with religion and self righteousness. It tries to acknowledge Jesus, but treats His blood as if common. Incapable of doing that which God set out to do. Granting us forgiveness, taking our sins away and justifying us before God. Jesus being able as our High Priest to save us completely. All of this is tossed aside for a concept of repentance that deals with sin confession as if it maintains salvation. That is where people should truly repent. Change your mind about sin confession for forgiveness because it misses the mark that is Christ Jesus on that cross paying for your sins. You are forgiven, it is not something you seek. It is found in Christ.

This could go on for another couple paragraphs to define repentance, but I will keep it short. Repentance happens daily, it is through mind renewal. It is, after all, a change of mind. It is coming into agreement with God (yes, even about your sins) and then coming into the reality that Jesus has set you free from sin because you're a new creation. Also too, under grace sin's dominion is broken. So the accusation of licentiousness (license to sin) is unfounded because people are explicitly stating that we are set free from it and are dead to it. VVe don't ignore sin. VVe turn to God for His strength. VVe repent in that of growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. In Him is victory found.

Glory to God!!! Glory to God!!! Glory to God!!! A new mind given to us, a renewed mind in Christ!! Thank you, Father for making Yourself known to us your children!! You are faithful!!! You are so gloriously faithful!!!

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[PeterJens]

There is so much more than meets the eye when it comes to repentance. It is tainted with religion and self righteousness. It tries to acknowledge Jesus, but treats His blood as if common. Incapable of doing that which God set out to do. Granting us forgiveness, taking our sins away and justifying us before God. Jesus being able as our High Priest to save us completely. All of this is tossed aside for a concept of repentance that deals with sin confession as if it maintains salvation. That is where people should truly repent. Change your mind about sin confession for forgiveness because it misses the mark that is Christ Jesus on that cross paying for your sins. You are forgiven, it is not something you seek. It is found in Christ.

Being honest about the two positions on the work of the cross.

1. The cross is everything. For some sin has been forgiven for the whole world irrespective of faith.
For others it is just for the believer, but in both cases future sin is forgiven even though not yet done.

2. Traditional view. The cross is the ultimate eternal sacrifice, once for all sin, if claimed by faith.
For the believer sin past and present is forgiven, and the Holy Spirit is deposited to teach the
believer how to walk in righteousness. Sin is not an issue because the walk is righteous.
If sin is an issue, repentance, confession and accepting forgiveness resolves it.

In the first view, the believer still sins, but they are forgiven beforehand. The problem with this model
is there is not relationship precedence or meaningful conclusion. It appears to be a quick patch for the
problem of failure to walk in righteousness ie with no victory over sin. Many of the proponents are
failed believers in the 2nd faith position. There expectation is you are a hypocrite being here and
the only place is where they are. This predicates you accepting sin is no longer an issue, though
everything in the world and life and scripture tells you otherwise.

So my dear friends, I am not going to suddenly see the light and come over to your side, because
there is no side to come over to. By declaring failure to be free from being a slave to sin, you by
description deny you know Christ.

The fruit follows the faith, and if the fruit is bad so is the teacher.

 

[JGIG]

just my impression from reading a few posts this am

some people here think that browbeating others will turn them into a mini-me

however, that just usually turns up the volume on resentment

I would like to thank all you of you who understand GRACE, understand that it is not HYPER, and who with patience and kind words try over and over to explain that you do not sin, you do not try to attain or keep salvation by works and you ENCOURAGE rather than discourage

the main difference I see between those who claim hyper grace and those who refute this false heresy hunter claim, is that the hyper claimers all, with no difference that I can see, claim the other side continues to sin

this, is perhaps the biggest lie of all as the so called hypers have stated over and over that is not true and have gone to great lengths to prove otherwise

I am not hyper anything except when I drink 2 cups of Tim Horton's coffee cause it's java and that puts me on edge. I only drink Columbian at home. Nice dark roast with no bitter edge. but I digress.....

apparently, once a person has swallowed the false hyper bait, they swim off with it in all directions shooting fellow believers and claiming they need to repent

now there is another interesting sidenote.

repent, in biblical terms, does not mean beat your chest and swear up and down you will never sin again

if you change your mind, as scripture says we should, then, and maybe it is only obvious to me, but it becomes OBVIOUS you are going stop your old way of life

as scripture states a number of times that God Himself repented, changed His mind, and the same word is used with reference to other such useage of the word, how is it, no really, HOW IS IT??? that hyper snipers insist, despite PROOF to the contrary, it means something else?

"Hyper Snipers" . . . love it, ha!

Regarding whether or not we continue to sin after we're saved, that is not in question. In this life, believers are told,

". . . we all stumble in many ways" (James 3:2), and are exhorted to "throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles" (Heb. 12:1), and that "if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous", (1 Jn. 2).
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Now if we are in Christ, God is no longer holding our sins against us (2 Cor. 3:18-19), but until we receive our incorruptible bodies, we will "all stumble in many ways".

This, from another post:

Originally Posted by JGIG

So much of the discussion of how a believer should live is focused on self-improvement and not focused enough on God and His Work for us and in us. So much of the discussion is centered on the Old Man in sin rather than on God working His righteousness in us as a gift as New Creations.

Perspective, folks - if you are in Christ you are NEW \o/!

And you are God's child - He's not going to reject you, EVER. He, in Christ, came to dwell within and to be joined with you. To reject you would be to reject Himself, and He cannot do that. He will, however, be faithful to bring to completion His Work in you, even if it takes 80 or 90 years .

He's not finished yet . . . with any of us . . .

Please be as patient with yourselves and others as God is!

He loves you so much, and His perfect love, which casts out all fear, is what brings healing, restoration, and the Fruit of His Spirit for the furthering of His Kingdom:
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6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. (from Phil. 1)
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17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 19 We love because he first loved us. (from 1 Jn. 4)

13 For it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose. (from Phil. 2)

4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. (from Eph. 2)​

One of my new favorite songs:


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Love you guys,
-JGIG


(Headed out for the day - family thing . Play nice, Y'all!)

 

[PeterJens]

Discussion development

What is obvious is people have an agenda. They start in one place with a defined set of ideas
and when it does not work they morph into another set.

This happens because they are not sure what they believe but have a mystic experience which
drives them forward.

It is why I am attacked for saying I am a sinner, or a saint, for walking in righteousness, or
repenting of sin when it occurs. If I talk about love from the heart, it is the wrong type of love.
If I say people are born into love, then that is a lie because Adams sin makes them sinners.

At every turn another denial, because unless you agree with the positive affirmation of just
being in God you must be evil. It is like saying all believers are born again, but actually they
are just satans horde unless they accept our version of grace.

 

[ladylynn]

I am interested in this confession. Jesus commands us to love each other as He loves us.
He tells us to clean our hearts, for focus on being righteous, pure, holy, called to live to God.

Christ says we are to forgive from the heart, be honest, answer so our yes is yes and our no
is no.

So previously you were not listening to Christ, so how are you now?

You talk of anger, which is inappropriate, but how does this apply to anyone else?

I easily pass over your words because they do not echo with my heart or my emotional
experience, so I wonder who you are addressing.

Well Peter.,I pass over your posts too because they are insulting much of the time. But seeing as you addressed me personally, I read your question. I always strive to post honestly making sure my yes is yes and my no.,no.

I was a saved born again Christian who thought I was doing everything right to the best of my ability. I thought for sure., I loved that sister or brother who insulted or hurt me or anyone in my family., of course., I loved them..... "in Jesus"

That sounded so spiritual "in Jesus" but what it reeeally meant at the time was; in that far off place called "being in the heavenlies" where my salvation was complete., "I" loved that sister as much as God expected me too. So I could go to church and do all the outward evidences of being a good Christian like going to church and tithing and teaching Sunday school and going to ladies meetings and Bible studies VBS., baking for church dinners etc....all that stuff that by my strength and power I was able to do believing it was pleasing to God. And by all outward appearances showed to be good and right. I was approved by everyone (including myself) and I thought God was seeing my sacrificial works for Him too and that He was giving me approval and as long as I kept showing my effort to keep it up with all that was in me., He would be pleased. But I was far from God and didn't know it until the outward life fell apart.

What I didn't know is we as believers are supposed to be walking in the spirit all the time. It's not for just private times or highlights of life but for every day., day in and day out. We are called to walk by faith and NOT by sight and that without faith it is impossible to please God. This is a standard that has been met already. But we can't meet it ourselves.

What we CAN do ourselves are those above things I mentioned of working religious things at church and home in our flesh. What we can't do ourselves is muster up the love of God apart from a revelation of grace (God's love in our hearts for us) We need Jesus to meet it in and through us. To love Him as He has loved us. But it is IMPOSSIBLE to do this apart from grace teaching us how.

Didn't realize the time., need to go to my appointment. !

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Being honest about the two positions on the work of the cross.

1. The cross is everything. For some sin has been forgiven for the whole world irrespective of faith.
For others it is just for the believer, but in both cases future sin is forgiven even though not yet done.

2. Traditional view. The cross is the ultimate eternal sacrifice, once for all sin, if claimed by faith.
For the believer sin past and present is forgiven, and the Holy Spirit is deposited to teach the
believer how to walk in righteousness. Sin is not an issue because the walk is righteous.
If sin is an issue, repentance, confession and accepting forgiveness resolves it.

In the first view, the believer still sins, but they are forgiven beforehand. The problem with this model
is there is not relationship precedence or meaningful conclusion. It appears to be a quick patch for the
problem of failure to walk in righteousness ie with no victory over sin. Many of the proponents are
failed believers in the 2nd faith position. There expectation is you are a hypocrite being here and
the only place is where they are. This predicates you accepting sin is no longer an issue, though
everything in the world and life and scripture tells you otherwise.

So my dear friends, I am not going to suddenly see the light and come over to your side, because
there is no side to come over to. By declaring failure to be free from being a slave to sin, you by
description deny you know Christ.

The fruit follows the faith, and if the fruit is bad so is the teacher.

See here? We talked this out, whether all are saved, regardless of if they have faith in God or not. It was addressed. But you act as if you may have missed the posts that addressed it because you just go on saying others here claim this. But we don't claim it because we know that it ALL hinges on faith in God and His promises.

And we don't say it is impossible to walk righteously. We just say it is impossible in OUR OWN STRENGTH. And, in fact, we KNOW that if we abide in Him, trusting Him for everything, relying on Him, believing what He has said, we don't sin. We know that it is when we STOP abiding/trusting in Him is when we sin.

And no one is saying sin is no issue. We are simply saying we will not face the PENALTY for it, which is eternal death. This extreme, extreme kindness, forgiving our debt so we don't have to die, does not produce more and more sin. It produces many things, but more sin is NOT one of them!

 

[Magenta]

(Headed out for the day - family thing . Play nice, Y'all!)

Have a great day!

 

[PeterJens]

Well Peter.,I pass over your posts too because they are insulting much of the time....
We need Jesus to meet it in and through us. To love Him as He has loved us. But it is IMPOSSIBLE to do this apart from grace teaching us how.
Didn't realize the time., need to go to my appointment. !

You guys are easily insulted. But then considering where you are coming from, I suppose no
surprise there. I agree with everything you have written, so as I said before it is not like in
the failure aspects of faith we disagree.

And love of Jesus does put everything into perspective. It does change everything.

In one sense I have always been in the grace of Christ, on coming to faith. The problem is
knowing love unlock you, heal you, help you grow, walk in faith, takes time and patience.
All the aggression against the "religious" church, legalism, is totally unnecessary.

What you have described is about becoming saved from a head knowledge to a heart knowledge.
Millions of people the world over have gone through this. It has nothing to do with Hyper-Grace
or the heresies involved. It is why I am so surprised at the aggression and hurt so easily expressed
when sharing the basics of the faith.

It is these things we should agree on, unless in reality the faith you are walking in appears the
same but is actually different. Most of the responses here suggest to me it is actually very different.

 

[LaurenTM]

I have to concur it does feel very personal and that does not help the discussion.
Having been attacked on occasion for putting a capital on Grace, silliness really, I almost prefer being called a heretic at least it is a direct assault.

Thank you Lauren, best to get it out in the open and then let us hope we can move on.

God is more then able to correct my wrong understanding, and He has done it many times, point it out to me using scripture once and then let me decide, this constant attack is not necessary.

There is only one truth but unfortunately sometimes as G777 says we have to agree to disagree, since we live in human frailty still.

well I see some common sense here in your post and a desire to be honest

sniping at folks and then ignoring their response to your snipe, is not really honest IMO

I don't think anyone here speaks with such authority that they can afford to just ignore the rest of us and I would say that to myself as well

however, I don't think I'm ignoring everyone...a few, yes, because they are contentious and it does not matter what I would say they would pick it apart

 

[LaurenTM]

Friends, have you noticed that when a post offers light and life, there are many "likes" on it? It reminds me of when Jesus walked this earth and crowds followed hard after him because he was the Light of Life. Deep calls unto deep, our spirit is drawn to the Holy Spirit. We his sheep recognize the Shepherd's voice of truth, and that truth sets people free.

just so and you have hit on one of my favorite verses ... Psalm 42:7

I 'feel' that as the place where a person goes alone with God and communicates

the whole Psalm is beautiful of course, but that one verse just grabs me

 

[LaurenTM]

Regarding whether or not we continue to sin after we're saved, that is not in question. In this life,believers are told,[FONT=&quot]

". . . we all stumble in many ways" (James 3:2), and are exhorted to "throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles" (Heb. 12:1), and that "if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous", (1 Jn. 2).
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Now if we are in Christ, God is no longer holding our sins against us (2 Cor. 3:18-19), but until we receive our incorruptible bodies, we will "all stumble in many ways".

I agree exactly JGIG

I say what I did to try and reason with those who state we think it is ok to keep on sinning

this is grievous and false and really needs to stop!

wonderful post by the way

I have not said this to you before, but if I had time to read only a few posts on any given page?

one would be yours...I don't flatter...I mean it!

hugs

 

[LaurenTM]

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As has been said in the past, if anyone here has found out the secret to living sinless in the here and now, ever single Christian here is all ears. They want to be set free from sin, they want to walk in complete victory. To live a year without sin, or even a month (some would argue a day) would be amazing. If someone here is walking sinless, every moment of every single day in their own actions, thoughts, and deeds, they have a moral obligation to share their secret. Unfortunately, those that think they do are walking in denial.

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Peter, if I forgive anyone anything, I forgive from the place I have been forgiven

rest assured, that can cover alot of ground

so, hugs to you too, in Jesus

 

[PeterJens]

See here? We talked this out, whether all are saved, regardless of if they have faith in God or not. It was addressed. But you act as if you may have missed the posts that addressed it because you just go on saying others here claim this. But we don't claim it because we know that it ALL hinges on faith in God and His promises.

And we don't say it is impossible to walk righteously. We just say it is impossible in OUR OWN STRENGTH. And, in fact, we KNOW that if we abide in Him, trusting Him for everything, relying on Him, believing what He has said, we don't sin. We know that it is when we STOP abiding/trusting in Him is when we sin.

And no one is saying sin is no issue. We are simply saying we will not face the PENALTY for it, which is eternal death. This extreme, extreme kindness, forgiving our debt so we don't have to die, does not produce more and more sin. It produces many things, but more sin is NOT one of them!

Stunned - There was a time when I thought you might actually be agreeing with me on various
important issues. Obviously I was mistaken.

Walking in righteousness through Gods strength, Amen. Holding to a standard of love and righteousness,
amen, and reaching it, glorious.

How you feel about sin etc. is between you and God. I was just shocked how many talked about being
in unforgiveness, anger, frustration, lust daily and possessively, and this was to be expected.

A key issue is when sin occurs what does the believer do. Repent, confess and accept forgiveness, or
just change their mind. This is why Ben made this thread.

The discussion is far bigger than this thread, or who reads it. Maybe you do not see that, but I do.

Now I have been on cc for 1.5 years so met many different people and had many conversations.
And I remember positions and points because they matter to me.

Now we are trying to not be personal, but general about positions and what is said.
So that is how I would like to leave it.

Thankyou for your response.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

For the most part, I don't see aggressiveness. I have seen some when patience is lost. But legalism has to be spoken against if the gospel is being preached. Because the gospel is against legalism. As God said, you try to put a bandaid on a mortal wound. (my paraphrase).
This is saying that just making the wound to look better on the outside by covering it with a bandaid is laughable because underneath, it is festering and will kill the man by infection. So it is deceiving from the outside.

This can also be seen by what Jesus taught us. Whitewashing a tomb to be clean and bright while all the while, nasty, smelly stuff is inside.

We are quite adept at noticing insincerity. How many times have you said to someone - a friend, a wife, etc. - it seems like you are angry with me - and the person says, I'm not angry! When you can see full well they ARE angry?

Or how many times has someone been acting gracious outwardly but you caught them out of the corner of your eye, rolling their eyes at you when they thought you weren't looking?

Or giving a little sigh and you see a quick frown of impatience cross their face like you have bothered them?

Why do people deny being angry or impatient? Why do they only roll their eyes when they think you have turned away?
Why hide what you're doing and feeling inside? Why deny what you saw them doing? It's because they want the outside to look clean and whitewashed. Because something in them tells them to hide what's really going on inwardly.

Jesus wants to free us from all that subterfuge and sneakiness. He wants to make us truly holy, inside and out.

You know, most who meet Him don't do such bad things outwardly and blatantly like murder or commit adultery or scream and yell when they're mad. A lot of them didn't even really do those things BEFORE they met Him, because society and parents taught them pleasant manners.

But God shines a light in our INSIDE and shows us dishonest subterfuge and hypocrisy (which means saying one thing outwardly by your mannered way but showing something different inside of yourself.) Actually, I think I remember hearing that the greek word, hypocrite, was originally used for our word for "actor or actress on a stage." God takes our pretenses and outward manners and changes us so the inside matches up, so inwardly, we become truly righteous instead of acting.

And He shows us things like...how we want to be forgiven by others for our bad behavior while inwardly, we carry mutterings against so many.

 

[PeterJens]

Peter, if I forgive anyone anything, I forgive from the place I have been forgiven
rest assured, that can cover alot of ground
so, hugs to you too, in Jesus

I am sorry Lauren. My wife uses words like "you always", "you never" etc. They add force to the
statement but if they are not true undermine its impact.

I have discovered the most unexpected things by just asking questions. What resulted was months
of discussion and positions. The two most unexpected where hyper-grace and walking in righteousness
and purity. So as people have come and go things have progressed.

My emotions do care how I am treated but walking with Christ is always a way to walk in forgiveness.
So I put things out there as my honest take on life and faith. And I know this is not neutral, and I will
be called demon possessed, evil, a pharisee, a heretic, a reprobate, a legalist. But what matters is to
be a witness to Christ and the cross, the power of salvation to all who believe.

I am not sure I have anything to forgive, because I loose track of how much I am loathed.
It is odd to be accused of being so evil just sharing about victory in Christ...

 

[FlSnookman7]

I am sorry Lauren. My wife uses words like "you always", "you never" etc. They add force to the
statement but if they are not true undermine its impact.

I have discovered the most unexpected things by just asking questions. What resulted was months
of discussion and positions. The two most unexpected where hyper-grace and walking in righteousness
and purity. So as people have come and go things have progressed.

My emotions do care how I am treated but walking with Christ is always a way to walk in forgiveness.
So I put things out there as my honest take on life and faith. And I know this is not neutral, and I will
be called demon possessed, evil, a pharisee, a heretic, a reprobate, a legalist. But what matters is to
be a witness to Christ and the cross, the power of salvation to all who believe.

I am not sure I have anything to forgive, because I loose track of how much I am loathed.
It is odd to be accused of being so evil just sharing about victory in Christ...

I am sorry you feel loathed. While i may disagree with your views I hold no animosity towards you on a personal level and if I have ever said anything to make you believe differently I apologize. All here who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior are one body and sometimes my emotions get the better of me. Please never allow others (myself included) shortcomings to make you feel loathed or persecuted.

 

[LaurenTM]

I am sorry Lauren. My wife uses words like "you always", "you never" etc. They add force to the
statement but if they are not true undermine its impact.

I have discovered the most unexpected things by just asking questions. What resulted was months
of discussion and positions. The two most unexpected where hyper-grace and walking in righteousness
and purity. So as people have come and go things have progressed.

My emotions do care how I am treated but walking with Christ is always a way to walk in forgiveness.
So I put things out there as my honest take on life and faith. And I know this is not neutral, and I will
be called demon possessed, evil, a pharisee, a heretic, a reprobate, a legalist. But what matters is to
be a witness to Christ and the cross, the power of salvation to all who believe.

I am not sure I have anything to forgive, because I loose track of how much I am loathed.
It is odd to be accused of being so evil just sharing about victory in Christ...

that's kind of like saying 'never say never', eh? (joke)

I don't always 'feel' love either, you know? but still, I am not alone and neither is anyone else who has Christ