The Ultimate Condemnation of Believers Who Continue to Sin
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you really think so?
who have you met who says "no, there are no false teachers" ?
or "yes, sin all you want -- no reason whatsoever to be righteous" ?
you think that "most of the people here" believe that??
because what i think you are actually thinking is that -- everyone but you and your rabbi teaches that we should go on sinning. which isn't actually the case for anyone.
of all the heresies i've seen pass through here over the last few years, "sin as much as you want! why not?" has never been one. it's very common straw man, for sure -- but that's all it is; a straw man.
i guess you could say the unitarian/universalist claims there are no false teachers? but they actually don't. they claim anyone who isn't universalist is false, lol. the irony seems to always be lost on them tho . .
who have you met who says "no, there are no false teachers" ?
or "yes, sin all you want -- no reason whatsoever to be righteous" ?
you think that "most of the people here" believe that??
because what i think you are actually thinking is that -- everyone but you and your rabbi teaches that we should go on sinning. which isn't actually the case for anyone.
of all the heresies i've seen pass through here over the last few years, "sin as much as you want! why not?" has never been one. it's very common straw man, for sure -- but that's all it is; a straw man.
i guess you could say the unitarian/universalist claims there are no false teachers? but they actually don't. they claim anyone who isn't universalist is false, lol. the irony seems to always be lost on them tho . .
:hrmm: as it is written
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Kawikaan: 3. 19. The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
20. By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
21. My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
22. So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
. ... thats why unto those who
as it is written
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Mikas: 3. 2. Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
3. Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
4. Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
5. Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
6. Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
7. Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
:ty:
godbless us all always
:read:
Kawikaan: 3. 19. The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
20. By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
21. My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
22. So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
. ... thats why unto those who
as it is written
:read:
Mikas: 3. 2. Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
3. Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
4. Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
5. Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
6. Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
7. Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
:ty:
godbless us all always
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there is no false grace
there is only grace and some peoples bad understanding of that grace
no one here is a false teacher of grace. in fact, who is teaching? this is a discussion forum
maybe that is the real problem. too many trying to teach who don't know what they are talking about and so we end up with a false accusation and a bunch of people get their knickers in a knot because they don't have the whole counsel of God and they emphasize only the parts that they think backs up their errors
yeah
not a good thing
don't take that personally. I am simply rebutting your false statement, not you as a person
This very much exists on the other side too, though. All the time, I see those who stand on the grace teaching claim that those who say the bible warns us to avoid sin are claiming that we must work for our salvation, that we must be perfect to be saved. And thats not at all what they are saying, they are saying that even though salvation is through grace, and that we are forgiven for our sins, we must still repent and avoid falling into sin.
The grace teaching is dangerous as it is incredibly easy for someone to read into it and come out with the teaching "we are no longer under law but under grace" and that it doesnt matter whether or not they do whats right, that as long as they believed Christ died on the cross they will be covered for everything they do. The bible does not say this, though.
We shouldnt believe that its wrong to say we must avoid sin, and repent when we fall. Christ Himself said "go, and sin no more".
The grace teaching is dangerous as it is incredibly easy for someone to read into it and come out with the teaching "we are no longer under law but under grace" and that it doesnt matter whether or not they do whats right, that as long as they believed Christ died on the cross they will be covered for everything they do. The bible does not say this, though.
We shouldnt believe that its wrong to say we must avoid sin, and repent when we fall. Christ Himself said "go, and sin no more".
exactly he took the condemnation or "sentence of death" that was due to all who sinned. and this same one who took that punishment for each one, is very clear, very clear repeatedly. That when a person accepts that gift, ( Him taking our punishment) there is an exchange. we give our life to Him who Gave his for us. to accept His death is to accept His life, His words and commands, His authority ect. Grace is a free offer to us, it was the most expensive gift ever bought by Jesus, Gods only Son.
He was spit on, mocked, beaten, spit on more, beaten more, flogged with 39 or more lashes, mocked more , falsely accused, laughed at and finally nailed to a cross for 6 hours where he suffered every moment until He gave His very breath for the one who will accept this "free: gift. knowing the price that has been paid for us, for we were purchased with His blood, suffering and shame.....should the enduring argument between "believers " be........what we don't need to do to be saved? whether or not we need to repent from the sin that caused His great suffering? should we say thanx jesus....and then go on as if we are not obligated to honor the price paid? do we assume now God has no anger against sin? that His wrath is not coming as He has said repeatedly? as much as we want to talk about the guidelines of salvation and pretend arguing daily about it is somehow gods will. leaves out all he said to do.
care for the needy, love the unloved, be kind to strangers, let people mean more than money, forsake every sin we are aware of. and sin is really how we treat others, including the Lord. those are the commandments. when we lie, we lie to each other, when we steal, we steal from our fellow man, when we commit adultery, we hurt other people, ect.....who is it really that thinks Gods commands aren't what matters? who is it that truly understands what Grace has done and why it has been done? Grace took away any excuse that " were just sinners" who cant do right. if you are born again, you are already new and capable of righteousness, it was placed in and on you at the cross. done deal, you want Jesus "finished work"? let go of the old and be who you are.
when you hear what your supposed to actually do, don't start shouting " salvation by works" and coming against what is right. Christs work is truly finished, His followers work will end when the world does. to think I'm saved for no reason, or to remain the same, or to live life for myself is all false. when you have come to Jesus Christ the savior, you are receiving instructions on how you are to live and represent Him in the world. we represent Him, His way. by Loving others in truth with action. by putting and keeping People above possession. if your car is more important than the hungry man on the corner, repent. if your bank account is for you alone, repent. if your thoughts are all about your own success repent ect..ect. examination of ones self ( what do I do daily to live as a new child of God) is what keeps one on the path. what we do is what we are accountable for. all these silly ideas and false doctrines, all the twisting of Gods word changes nothing. Gods will is for man to forsake doing wrong, and do what is right. simply to live in love with other human beings that God loves just as deeply as you. when you refuse to help, Jesus says it is He that you are refusing to help. if the church doesn't come together in the truth, it will just continue to fade and crumble until the world and the church look exactly alike.
Most of today's western churches are teaching popular doctrines that tickle people's ears!
Satan has deceived many churches into believing an easy-believism, easy-grace gospel,
which is NOT AT ALL what the NT teaches! ... The NT teaches accountability, responsibility.
The NT teaches: belief-faith-trust-obedience!
Many churches are more concerned with bringing in the tithes than preaching spiritual Truth.
Satan has deceived many churches into believing an easy-believism, easy-grace gospel,
which is NOT AT ALL what the NT teaches! ... The NT teaches accountability, responsibility.
The NT teaches: belief-faith-trust-obedience!
Many churches are more concerned with bringing in the tithes than preaching spiritual Truth.
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WARNING ...
You will NOT experience any pre-tribulation rapture!
You will be going through the great tribulation of the antichrist.
Endure in your faith until death, or NO heaven for you!
Do NOT submit to taking the mark of the beast, or NO heaven for you!
This is NT Scripture ... not my opinion.
If anyone would like to see many verses which refute a pre-trib rapture, just ask.
WARNING ...
You will NOT experience any pre-tribulation rapture!
You will be going through the great tribulation of the antichrist.
Endure in your faith until death, or NO heaven for you!
Do NOT submit to taking the mark of the beast, or NO heaven for you!
This is NT Scripture ... not my opinion.
If anyone would like to see many verses which refute a pre-trib rapture, just ask.
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Yes, the grace message is dangerous.
wow!
I've seen some blatant twisting of what a poster actually says, but you have really gone the limit with this one
let's take a look at the post you quote ... that is, the ENTIRE post and not just the part that appealed to your opinions here
the poster was being sarcastic and NOT agreeing with the concept of grace being dangerous
so yeah, by all means, let's not let the dust collect on false statements
it would be great if you would post your opinions only and not try to make it appear people agree with you when they do not in fact agree with you
I mean, you do realize you have not been truthful, right?
