healing according to Joseph prince, please do explain
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when the prodigal returned home, one of the first things His father did was to clothe Him with the best robe. we come to Jesus in crimson rags, he gives us a garment clean and new and beautoiful......we come to him in our sin, he clothes us in righteousness. he loves the worst of sinners, he longs for them to repent and come home as did the prodigal. who came and confessed all his sin and opleaded for mercy. Gods Love reached to calvary was shown at the cross and in the tomb. God does love the filthiest of sinners, its about who will Love God in return
john 14:15-24 "15“If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[SUP] [/SUP]in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."
who will see jesus? who will God come and live with? who will receive the spirit of truth? what dopes jesus say clearly here??? obedience to the teachings of Jesus is connected to all of this all of it. heres the thing ; God loves us at our worst so much he sent His only son to be mocked, spit on, suffer every indignity, be beaten, whipped made a spectacle of scorn and shame, and nailed to a cold wooden cross and held up for all to look upon, he loves us that much to offer us a new life even though we threw the old one away. we were dead headed to hell with no hope and He loved us enough to provide the way and truth and life..........the equator? does that mean enough to me that I will give my life to Jesus by laying down my own will and serving His will. do I love Jesus who loved me far more and better.......to refuse His teachings is to refuse Him
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It is an on off switch. If your faith is based on the work of the cross then it's on, if your faith gets switched to what you do then it's off. Doesn't mean that He leaves you, He will beckon you to return, but, He will not override your will.
The grace or hyper grace message was derived from Christians that truly love God, but found themselves committing sins and could not stop, so they found scriptures in their favor and ultimately said if, I sin it's okay because I been forgiven and born again. Which is a valid dilemma. However, that is not the case. Self righteousness is a slippery, deceitful snake and anytime we look at what we do as a form of righteousness the Holy Spirit backs off as He only works in the parameters of the cross. Meaning if our faith gets shifted from what Christ did on the cross then we are no longer protected (no grace) and we can be bound once again by sin. Grace is unmerited favor and not freedom, meaning it is favor that we do not deserve nor can be gained, only by faith in the work of the Cross and nothing else.
When we find our self failing it is mainly because our faith has shifted and it's an easy thing to do and rather than provide the remedy we say well we have grace.
The false grace teachers are just like the Catholics, Their teachings say one thing, but when they are challenged, they say,
"We're not saying that".
The false grace teaching is, You can live however you want to, because grace covers all our sins, But when challenged, you say, We're not saying that.
matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
to believe in the name of Jesus is to believe He is Gods son, our savior, our teacher our lord and so much more it isn't to just say Jesus exists. satan knows Jesus exists, knows who he is.....but he doesn't "believe" in Jesus. if he velieved in Jesus he would absolutely take Jesus words as the truth. as would any true believer. if I believe in Jesus I believe His words that say clearly " its about doing what I'm telling you to do, the right things, the right way in Gods eyes. Love one another truly from the heart with actions. the actions I am teaching you to do. sincere belief will always be bound to action. jesus says here it is not saying he is lord that saves, but obeying Gods will. pretty clear statement that should be taken WITH the one you offered. and concluded true belief is what is being spoken of. and true belief is validated by action
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RobbyEarl
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WRONG, The false grace teacher say you can dress as scruffy as you want to, because grace covers all our bad habits.
Just look at JP, and see what a long hair scruffy dresser he is, He wouldn't even get into some night clubs, Never mind behind a pulpit.
But his attitude is, I can do what I want, because grace covers all my sins.
He said, when I sin, I'm blessed, because God isn't counting my sins against me, All my sins, Past present and future, have already been forgiven.
That's the false grace teaching, The end time heresy that deceives the Church.
The Pharisees couldn't have claimed to love God with the Agape love of God, Because they weren't born again.
It makes on wonder.
You did not ask me but I will answer this one as it is often used to convey a mis-truth.
If you look at Matthew 7 "in context" - Jesus is talking about "false prophets" in verse 15 - we really need to learn to read the scriptures in context or that "text" will "con" you.
Notice that in Matt 7:19-33..Jesus said:
"I never knew you "...these people were not believers...( Jesus never said " I used to know you once."..He said I NEVER knew you at all...).
Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....Jesus said that He "knows" His sheep so those in Matt. 7:19-33 are not true Christians.
The false prophets in verse 15 are NOT true Christians that are in Christ.
John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
exactly right, because the doctrine is false. I have on this site had a conversation one day with a gracegrace teacher who completely omitted all pre cross words of Jesus, 2 days later argued they never omit anything jesus said, to that I showed several scriptures of conditions placed by Jesus himself on all this and then after arguing they never omit Jesus words lol procedded to explain how the sermon on the mount uis a teaching of law to only the jews and his commands applied to them only lol to which I stated the great commission after the resurrection that instructs the disciples " go forth into all nations teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you" but then........somehow that didn't apply either, because paul is the authority of the new testament lol even aboive the gospel of Jesus Christ.....
my point is simply once the doctrine takes root, they will always go in circles, pluck a single verse from paul completely out of context, avaoid what he is saying and try to make it support some conditionless salvation that requires no commitment to Jesus. it truly is a never ending circle noi matter how much truth you show tham clearly form Gods own word.......they worship the worlds grace " unwarranted favor" and just are convinced that is all the bible says. that's the danger of popular clever false teachers, once a man is convinced and a few scriptures are twisted, its hard for them to let go likje when a tree roots. then they end up arguing against so much of what Jesus taught, paul taught, james, peterm john......in favor of a few out of context single verses like romans 8:1, but....who is it that is in Christ according to scrioptures in romans 8?? it isn't just given to all of those paul is speaking about, its those who live to please the spirit, just like those who sow to please the spirit reap eternal life and those who sow to please the sinful nature reapo death. Grace is true completely, the world is misteaching it and accepting the deception that sin is not death, just like eve. the word is clear matters who believes sincerely in its truth
I have a question for you about the "will of God"....
I have found at least 7 things about doing the will of God on this earth now that we are in Christ.
1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40
2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21
3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )
4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18
5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16
6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9
7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5
According to the works-based salvationists...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....
How foolish this nonsense is when we do not factor in the "will of the Father" for salvation in being with the Lord when we die. If we do not factor in the completed work of Christ for our salvation then we will come up with all kinds of man-made "works" we must do to "help" Jesus with our salvation.
What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say..not doing the will of God are not saved without factoring in just what is the "will of the Father" for salvation .
The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9
The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
actual clothing doesn't matter, how someone dresses matters not, many poor cant afford nice clothes. the garment that matters is the rags of sin we come to Jesus wearing, and the garment of white that he places on us who believe, righteousness. cant judge someone on appearance gotta look at what they are saying and doing to see whether they are true or false.
the Pharisees, saducees and teachers of law hated Jesus from the moment he began teaching Gods kingdom. they had control of the jewish nation, self righteous, proud, above others. I find it interesting the religious leaders are those who began plotting His death, because He was speaking the truth about their sin, and their righteousness being worthless because their hearts were corrupt and evil, they didn't commit adultery, but they were full of lust and deceit, they didn't steal, but they were greedy and wouldn't care for the poor among them. they saw themselves above others their actions were right, their hearts were wrong. that's why Jesus is all about the heart. if a persons heart is made new, their actions will be in accordance with their good heart. the law was obedience because of rule, Jesus is obedience from the heart because we truly believe what he did and take it as the most important part of life, we obey to honor the price he paid for us, we don't accept it and disregard it by living on for ourselves we are not our own lord, we don't make the rules of right and wrong. we either choose right or wrong to follow after
Well said!..sorry I couldn't give you a rep as I had given you one recently and they won't let me do it again for awhile. I'll owe you one!...
They say Mk 11: 25-26 isn't for the Christians, But somehow, Vs 22--24 is for us.
But if Mk 11: 25--26 isn't for us, Then Jesus was talking to unbelievers when He mentioned Vs 22--24.
He told sinner to have the faith of God.
He told sinners they can have what they say.
He told sinners that whatever they desire, when they pray, they can have them if the believe.
But My Bible say Jesus was speaking to His disciples, Including, If we don't forgive, then God won't forgive us.
But the false grace teachers say God has forgiven ALL our sins, past present and future.
So either the are mistaken or Jesus is.
Of cause clothing matter to God, Especially as Ministers, scruffy dressing could offend people, and the Bible says give no offence in anything.
The Mormons and JWs put some Christians to shame, as they always dress smart.
Those scruffy ministers have no respect for God, their ministry or the people they are ministering to.
It's very different if one is poor and can't afford to buy clothes.
When I first got saved, is was a long haired hippy who only had scruffy clothes, I just knew I had to have a hair cut, No one told me to, I just knew, and I felt bad for not being able to dress smart. And God knew this, So He led someone to buy clothes for me, What a transformation.
And that's what being a Christians does, It transform's people.
The love of God will transform those who love Him, they would want to go to Church well dressed.