Cruz gets boo'd off stage

[Voldemort]

I don't know if they work together for sure or not but the way politics go I would certainly say they offer a measure of plausible deniability if they are.

Fair enough. The law forbids them from working in concert. However, since when has a law stopped people from breaking said law. You might be right that Cruz was really behind the superpac ad.

I know you're not one for hypothetical scenarios, but what if Cruz and his campaign really did have nothing to do with the meme? Would you still think his reasoning is unjustified or could you get behind him not wanting to support Trump after Trump (not Trump's super pac) tweeted and attacked Heidi?

 

[Willie-T]

I sincerely want to see it from your perspective.

I don't want to bother you by repeating my questions. You are not obligated to answer to me. I just hope you willingly want to discuss in fruitful dialogue about this, especially since I might be the one in error here, and I want to be informed.

What was it that Cruz's campaign specifically did? Was this about the picture of the GQ meme of Melania? To my knowledge, that was not Cruz or his campaign. Do you feel super pacs work in concert to the presidential candidate they are wanting to win?

Did I miss the announcement where Cruz denounced them for that? Or maybe it was that same group who spread the falsehood that Carson had quit?

Cruz seems to have no problem with playing dirty politics until someone responds in kind.

 

[Sirk]

Fair enough. The law forbids them from working in concert. However, since when has a law stopped people from breaking said law. You might be right that Cruz was really behind the superpac ad.

I know you're not one for hypothetical scenarios, but what if Cruz and his campaign really did have nothing to do with the meme? Would you still think his reasoning is unjustified or could you get behind him not wanting to support Trump after Trump (not Trump's super pac) tweeted and attacked Heidi?

I think attacking someone's looks is cheap...but politics is a rough and tumble world and it doesn't seem the democrats operate with any ethics in regards to truth. Truth be told, I can't stand Debbie Wacherman Schultz (or however you spell it) every time I see her I think of Medusa. Lol. If she wasn't such an ugly person on the inside it would probably shine thru like her ugliness does. I think Heidi Cruz is a globalist thru and thru and she wears Teds pants. Probably why it doesn't bother me that trump went after her like he did. I don't think she is a nice person nor is she a person who holds the American experiment in high regards. You and I are just serfs to her.

 

[Depleted]

That WAS a pretty low shot you took at Kris about his personal situation. I was, frankly, a bit disappointed in you.

Low blow? Oh brother. It comes from times when we HAVE to break our promises. Cruz did it. I did it. Sirk did it. Anyone with a good conscious and moral fiber has to occasionally. To deny that is just glossing over reality all together or has serious memory gaps. Or is it more important to look good than be real?

Are we supposed to put on the holy mask and deny the realities of life? We're all perfect in our first decisions so should never ever, no matter what, change our minds, even if we have to break our word?

Maybe that's what I will never get about this site. The image is much more important than the reality.

 

[Depleted]

I sincerely want to see it from your perspective.

I don't want to bother you by repeating my questions. You are not obligated to answer to me. I just hope you willingly want to discuss in fruitful dialogue about this, especially since I might be the one in error here, and I want to be informed.

What was it that Cruz's campaign specifically did? Was this about the picture of the GQ meme of Melania? To my knowledge, that was not Cruz or his campaign. Do you feel super pacs work in concert to the presidential candidate they are wanting to win?

Queen -- the rock group -- got angry at Trump for using one of their songs in the convention. I don't blame them. I would think a businessman would be smart enough to know copyright laws better than that.

But, in like kind, I think anyone doing commercials for a candidate ought to have the approval of the candidate. And, if they don't, then there should be laws against it. I would think Congress, who is mostly lawyers, ought to have figured that out by now.

If Cruz didn't know someone was campaigning for him in such tacky terms, he should have, at the very least, spoken against it. Better yet told them to stop. Likewise, if Trump didn't know someone was being equally as tacky, he should have dealt with it. This "he didn't know" in either case is lame. I wasn't even watching TV when it was happening and I heard about it. If I knew, both of them did!

 

[Sirk]

That WAS a pretty low shot you took at Kris about his personal situation. I was, frankly, a bit disappointed in you.

It was...and it had nothing to do with Ted Cruz not being a man of his word. He will pay for it like we all do. She should really apologize for it but I don't expect one. I always give people the benefit of the doubt until they give me reason not to. Not sure if I have reason...time will tell. Coulda been just having a bad day. If so, I can totally understand that.

 

[Willie-T]

That WAS a pretty low shot you took at Kris about his personal situation. I was, frankly, a bit disappointed in you.

Low blow? Oh brother. It comes from times when we HAVE to break our promises. Cruz did it. I did it. Sirk did it. Anyone with a good conscious and moral fiber has to occasionally. To deny that is just glossing over reality all together or has serious memory gaps. Or is it more important to look good than be real?

Are we supposed to put on the holy mask and deny the realities of life? We're all perfect in our first decisions so should never ever, no matter what, change our minds, even if we have to break our word?

Maybe that's what I will never get about this site. The image is much more important than the reality.

My post didn't say one word about Cruz or Trump.
I said you took a pretty low shot at Kris. And you did.

Why not just use the example of your own divorce if you felt you had to go there?

 

[Sirk]

My post didn't say one word about Cruz or Trump.
I said you took a pretty low shot at Kris. And you did.

Why not just use the example of your own divorce if you felt you had to go there?

the reality is that it is dirty pool to bring into the news forum what people share in the family forum. What's next, we start using people's prayer requests against them. There are a lot of levels of what she did here as being wrong and disingenuous.

 

[Depleted]

My post didn't say one word about Cruz or Trump.
I said you took a pretty low shot at Kris. And you did.

Why not just use the example of your own divorce?

Would my husband's divorce work? He made the same promise to his first wife, but couldn't keep it either. Then again, he also hasn't ever said he personally would never break his word, when he knows he has, nor would he hammer at someone else who also had to break his word.

Gotcha. It IS appearance that matters. Not reality. We're supposed to judge people to standards we can't/shouldn't keep ourselves!

 

[Depleted]

the reality is that it is dirty pool to bring into the news forum what people share in the family forum. What's next, we start using people's prayer requests against them. There are a lot of levels of what she did here as being wrong and disingenuous.

Disingenuous? I actually had to check if the definition of that word changed.
From Merriam-Webster -- [FONT=&quot]:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] not truly honest or sincere : giving the false appearance of being honest or sincere[/FONT]

Pretty much what I was trying to find out if you were going for or if I misunderstood. Nope. I didn't misunderstand. Got it now. I didn't believe it. I do now.

 

[Sirk]

Disingenuous? I actually had to check if the definition of that word changed.
From Merriam-Webster -- : not truly honest or sincere : giving the false appearance of being honest or sincere

Pretty much what I was trying to find out if you were going for or if I misunderstood. Nope. I didn't misunderstand. Got it now. I didn't believe it. I do now.

Disingenuous in that you know what you did was way across the line but are too proud to admit it. So the meaning of the word hasn't changed. But just keep on trucking mam.

 

[tourist]

Disingenuous? I actually had to check if the definition of that word changed.
From Merriam-Webster -- : not truly honest or sincere : giving the false appearance of being honest or sincere

Pretty much what I was trying to find out if you were going for or if I misunderstood. Nope. I didn't misunderstand. Got it now. I didn't believe it. I do now.

You're absolutely not disingenuous that is for sure. You are a straight shooter and call a spade a spade. Quite admirable actually.

 

[Depleted]

What question? smh.....I think this place has gone mad.

BTW, since Sirk doesn't think I answered his question, can anyone tell me what question he asked me that I didn't answer? I've looked twice, but only found that one question. Can anyone else find it?

I would answer, if I could. I just can't find it!

 

[Sirk]

BTW, since Sirk doesn't think I answered his question, can anyone tell me what question he asked me that I didn't answer? I've looked twice, but only found that one question. Can anyone else find it?

I would answer, if I could. I just can't find it!

Did Ted Cruz break his word?

 

[Depleted]

Disingenuous in that you know what you did was way across the line but are too proud to admit it. So the meaning of the word hasn't changed. But just keep on trucking mam.

Reread the entire thread. You seem to be under some delusion that I think what you did was wrong. Far from it! I admire you for going the distance.

I do NOT admire you for easily claiming you have always kept your word as if that makes what Cruz did wrong. If you think he's wrong, fine! But don't act as if you are better than him because of some "false appearance of being honest or sincere."

That's not honest!

And you have been jumping over everyone else for daring to disagree with you with stuff like "answer my question," "false Strawmen," etc. THAT is unbecoming.

Honestly? You've either been lashing out on everyone for half a year now and blaming it on everyone but you. I get foul moods. Boy, do I get foul moods. BUT if you're going to talk politics, then stop lashing out on people for disagreeing with you and then propping yourself up with a SMH, just to give one example. (And apparently, I'm not supposed to give any examples._

I'm not your whipping boy! No one is. From the start I've said I admire a person willing to back out on a promise given the right reasons. AND, if you look carefully, I meant you too. I said you too more than once. I simply didn't bring up why, until you kept hammering the "I always keep my word" bit to justify yourself!

 

[Depleted]

Did Ted Cruz break his word?

Answered before asked, so I assumed you already knew my answer.

I didn't think Americans could be this stupid either.

I promised Mom when she was dying I would keep my word and raise my little brother up to be a good Catholic, like I said when I became his godmother. I tried. After four years and after hearing too many masses with priests giving sermons like "Mary Goddess of the Universe," I just couldn't anymore.

When you make a promise that goes against your very fiber, it's time to break your word, instead of breaking your beliefs!

You've done it.

Yes. He did. So did I. So do most people with the right circumstances.

Seems an odd question though since Donald said he read Cruz's speech.

 

[Sirk]

Answered before asked, so I assumed you already knew my answer.

Yes. He did. So did I. So do most people with the right circumstances.

Seems an odd question though since Donald said he read Cruz's speech.

so regardless of what Joe Schmoe or Donald trump does Ted Cruz didn't do what he said he would do. So what makes anyone think he would do anything he said he would do for us as President. The point is that Cruz proved himself to be untrustworthy and Trump let him do it...(which is kinda funny) and it has nothing to do my marriage or lack thereof or any other scenario you could drum up. So please excuse me while I go dig up your yard full of skeletons to use against you at some future scenario where I can't track with the conversation. Lol. I know you like Cruz and I'm sorry he proved what I suspected all along...that he is not an honest Christian man like you wanted him to be.

 

[Voldemort]

Did I miss the announcement where Cruz denounced them for that? Or maybe it was that same group who spread the falsehood that Carson had quit?

Cruz seems to have no problem with playing dirty politics until someone responds in kind.

We could both agree that Cruz, if he didn't, should have denounced whatever the superpac did.

Could we also both agree that "not denouncing" and "attacking" are not synonymous/on different levels of "wrongness"?

As far as what Cruz did with Carson, that has no relevance to Trump attacking his wife, as such, the pledge becoming abdicated. If I murdered a Ku Klux Klan member and stood before God, I couldn't simply say, "but the Klan member was a bigot who spewed hate on anyone not White and protestant". What the Klan member did is irrelevant to my murdering him.

 

[Sirk]

Reread the entire thread. You seem to be under some delusion that I think what you did was wrong. Far from it! I admire you for going the distance.

I do NOT admire you for easily claiming you have always kept your word as if that makes what Cruz did wrong. If you think he's wrong, fine! But don't act as if you are better than him because of some "false appearance of being honest or sincere."

That's not honest!

And you have been jumping over everyone else for daring to disagree with you with stuff like "answer my question," "false Strawmen," etc. THAT is unbecoming.

Honestly? You've either been lashing out on everyone for half a year now and blaming it on everyone but you. I get foul moods. Boy, do I get foul moods. BUT if you're going to talk politics, then stop lashing out on people for disagreeing with you and then propping yourself up with a SMH, just to give one example. (And apparently, I'm not supposed to give any examples._

I'm not your whipping boy! No one is. From the start I've said I admire a person willing to back out on a promise given the right reasons. AND, if you look carefully, I meant you too. I said you too more than once. I simply didn't bring up why, until you kept hammering the "I always keep my word" bit to justify yourself!

I cannot think of a time when I didn't do something I said I would. Have not not, kept a promise that I made that I could control. Even at great expense to myself....and I don't really care if you believe me or not. I've taken a beating living my life that way at different times and it was all worth it as it I stand here today.....and if I made a pledge on national tv to support someone the only thing that could change that is if they broke the law. So tell me, what did Trump do besides step across a line to meet Cruz where Cruz decided to stand? And...furthermore, even after your personal attack against my character I have not responded in kind aside from the fact that I told you to shut your mouth, which needed to be said....because you crossed the line. You don't know me and there is no way that you can make a determination from there as to the content of my character. But if you really knew me like my friends do, you would have the utmost trust and confidence that if I told you something I would find a way to make it happen and if for some reason I couldn't I'd still make it right times ten. I'll accept your apology whenever you're ready. Lol

 

[Voldemort]

I think attacking someone's looks is cheap...but politics is a rough and tumble world and it doesn't seem the democrats operate with any ethics in regards to truth. Truth be told, I can't stand Debbie Wacherman Schultz (or however you spell it) every time I see her I think of Medusa. Lol. If she wasn't such an ugly person on the inside it would probably shine thru like her ugliness does. I think Heidi Cruz is a globalist thru and thru and she wears Teds pants. Probably why it doesn't bother me that trump went after her like he did. I don't think she is a nice person nor is she a person who holds the American experiment in high regards. You and I are just serfs to her.

I agree, attacking someone on looks is cheap. But I feel this conversation is going off topic. We aren't debating if what Trump or the superpac did was "wrong". I think we can all come together and agree it was.

The real topic is if the pledge is abdicated if a candidate's wife is personally attacked directly by the winning nominee, after the pledge was given.

Our personal sentiments of a person's character (Heidi in this instance) and what the superpac did independently of Cruz (post a naked meme of Melania from a GQ magazine) shouldn't even be brought up when discussing if abdication of the pledge is justified.