So what about the fourth commandment?
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And apparently one that works on a Saturday just to make ends meet doesn't? Right. You do you, buddy. And I'll do what God provided me. A six day a week job that includes working on Saturday. If it was such a sin, He wouldn't have provided me the ideal schedule to balance work, school, and CR/step study/young adults. Selah.
I am not here to condemn you. However, I will say this, after doing a little travel, people in North America have a little different definition for "making ends meet". (myself also being guilty of too many worldly possessions). I have seen people without a dime own a lot of joy.
Minimum wage here is a lot of money to a lot of countries around the world. So if you're comparing "making ends meet" by America's standards to that of a third world country, don't. That is not the same. But for a family with three kids and working little pay jobs, yeah. There is a thing called having to make ends meet.
okay, just say we don't agree on that. just know that God can bless a move made in obedience.
Providing for your family is a God-thing.
Working to do that will be blessed by God, I believe.
NOT working, simply to obey a "law" that was given to the children of Israel, who NEEDED the law, is wrong.
You are too caught up in trying to obey the old law.... and THAT law leads to death.
Working to do that will be blessed by God, I believe.
NOT working, simply to obey a "law" that was given to the children of Israel, who NEEDED the law, is wrong.
You are too caught up in trying to obey the old law.... and THAT law leads to death.
that's beautiful!
but the snare is to look at other servants and suppose that because they are not doing the same things you are doing, that they are condemned.
like i pointed out ((as the Son of God pointed out)) the priests do the same things on the 7th day as they do on days 1 to 6. they are not condemned. Christ Himself did the same things on the 7th day as He did on days 1-6: He taught, He healed, He gave glory to God.
the Salvation of God has come, and the shadows are replaced with substance. the shadows are perfect shadows and if we honor them with the right heart - not trusting in the shadows as justification, not 'establishing our own righteousness' - then they are perfect and it is beautiful to honor them. but the substance is come. servants of God are His servants, and in a great house, many servants have duties that are different. one sleeps while another is awake and working, but the one who is sleeping has his own duties, and it is wrong for any servant to judge another. you do not know what the Master has required of Him.
the scripture is very clear: let no one condemn you over observation of feasts or the sabbath. observing one day as holy or observing all days as holy are equally valid under the new covenant through Christ. the issue is not 'observation of the sabbath' according to the rules of Moses. the issue is judging another man's servant.
it's equally wrong for anyone to accuse you of imperfectly observing the ritual, as though it was the perfect observance of the ritual that would sanctify you.
the point is that if you think that you are establishing your own righteousness by such observation, ha, no, you are not.
how would someone fulfill the righteousness of this commandment, who had no knowledge of the commandments given to the ethnic Jews who were baptized into Moses, but who knew the love of God and perfectly gave love to God?
it is easy to see how a person without the law, but who had love, would honor most of the decalogue. if you love God, you will have no other gods. if you love God, you will not blaspheme. if you love others, you will not lie, covet, murder or steal from them.
but how will you honor the righteousness of the sabbath commandment, without having a written command?
if you understand what is the righteousness of the Law regarding the sabbath, and you understand what the rest that Christ offers is, then for a person who truly loves the Lord with all his or her substance, it is not 'an issue' at all -- they inevitably fulfill the righteousness that the written command is pointing to.
one only thinks 'it is an issue' if they don't see beyond the written law. like those who accused the Lord of sin because He healed - or those who accused the lame man who carried his mat on the sabbath of sin.
yes, providing for your family is Biblical.
millions of people have done it without having a job that required work on the Sabbath.
I am not here to condemn you. I am just telling you what I believe.
and,
trying to obey the law does not lead to death. (that is a wicked [twisted] statement)
the wages of sin is death.
do you see how you turned that upside down?
But God has also provided jobs to people that require to work on the Sabbath. Hence my point earlier how He blesses me with one that requires working on the Sabbath while at the same time coinciding perfectly with ministry and school. Ohh, and my supervisor is a believer, and we have had numerous talks about faith. So, if God forbade working on a specific day, He wouldn't have done such thing with me, now would He?
Millions of people are also not like you. They have to do whatever they can just to pay the rent. Let alone the electric bill or groceries. You also mentioned you watch the news on the Sabbath... Well, guess what. Those anchors have to work on the Sabbath for you to watch such programming. And that is not "helping the people" as it is for doctors, police, and firefighters, as you had said earlier. Care to explain that, if it is such a sin? Why do you purposely watch those anchors sin if it is one?
First off, If I said I watch the news on the Sabbath, I was lying. I don't have any working tv cable, antenna etc.
And we always get the doctors and police thing. Yeshua said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. He healed on the Sabbath, and He never broke even one commandment of God.
Jesus said that the priest that worked in the temple - every day broke the law and yet they are exempt. We are priests unto God in the New Covenant - His life in us will leads us now - not rules from the Old Covenant.
We live by the law of Christ in our hearts which is the fulfillment of the whole law. Love and life in Christ will direct us on how to live godly in this present world - it's called the grace of Christ. Titus 2:11-12
We live by the law of Christ in our hearts which is the fulfillment of the whole law. Love and life in Christ will direct us on how to live godly in this present world - it's called the grace of Christ. Titus 2:11-12
it is right now saturday, and you are posting on the internet. with an electronic device. that is kindling fire. that is ((if today is the sabbath)), by the letter of the law, sin.
Correction. Post 775. You said watching TV, checking email, fixing A/C requires SOMEONE to work on the Sabbath. So you henced just proved my point. How is someone watching a program on TV healing? When I say it it is a sin yet when you say it, it's not. And you're also just gonna pick out one portion rather than the whole thing with the previous post? Sure. Let's just ignore the other millions of people that aren't quite fortune, and have to work on the Sabbath or worse just to pay their rent, let alone electricity and groceries. I guess they must still be in sin if God didn't bless them like He did you.
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Who knows if it's a "kindling fire." But what we do know is that use of internet service requires providers, servers, etc.. to have people at work maintaining and operating their equipment. Utilizing internet service places a demand on various providers, sites, etc.. to make their services available when required. Since "disciplemike" is placing this demand on them on the Sabbath, then he's demanding people work on the Sabbath. Seems a little inconsistent at best; hypocritical at worst.
Correction. Post 775. You said watching TV, checking email, fixing A/C requires SOMEONE to work on the Sabbath. So you henced just proved my point. How is someone watching a program on TV healing? When I say it it is a sin yet when you say it, it's not. And you're also just gonna pick out one portion rather than the whole thing with the previous post? Sure. Let's just ignore the other millions of people that aren't quite fortune, and have to work on the Sabbath or worse just to pay their rent, let alone electricity and groceries. I guess they must still be in sin if God didn't bless them like He did you.
775 was not my post. stop lying. why do you hyper-grace people have to lie so much?
It shows on my phone that it was. Not sure what hyper grace is. But since we are playing 21 questions now, why are you dodging the other points being made?