I agree that they were saved. However, concerning sanctification, as they were still on the level of new believers, and still considered by the Apostle to be carnal christians, it is clear that they were not yet sanctified, for they had not yet received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, which is the witness of sanctification in my experience. Saved? Yes. Sanctified? Well, that is debatable when reading the Apostles Epistles addressed to the Corinthians.
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WOW. This is so very amazing, and so very angrifying to me. I wonder if people here are not capable of simple 8th grade level of reading comprehension?
So you simply ignore, or do not comprehend the 1,000 or so comments I have posted on CC that CLEARLY STATE I do not believe that the Levitical or Mosaic Laws HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION, and continue to suggest/imply that I do believe such, by this incessant referral to them when you comment on one of my posts?
I wonder if this is an intentional act of misrepresentation of my beliefs? Or is it simply that people here are incapable of understanding simple english? You are NOT the only one here that does this. I have several on my Ignore List who do this every time I post a comment on the subject.
NOTHING in the comment you quoted states that the "keeping of the Levitical/Mosaic Laws" is necessary for salvation. In fact, it states JUST THE OPPOSITE. So, either you are intentionally/or mistakenly being deceptive about what I posted, or you are incapable of distinguishing between those Laws/the Law of the First Covenant, and the Law of the New Covenant, which is the Law of Faith that Jesus Christ Himself established and the Apostles preached.
Either way, I am soooooooo OVER people who intentionally or mistakenly misrepresent me and my beliefs, for it is starting to appear that they are only doing so to deceptively denounce what I believe. They can not disprove the Law of Faith, so they try to avoid it, and go after me with deceptive suggestions that I speak of the Laws of the First Covenant (as the best case scenario), OR they are outright lying about what I say/believe (which is the worst case scenario).
MY BAD!
Goodness............I must apologize............I see that prior to the comment I am referring to, YOU ACTUALLY AGREED WITH ME. I can not apologize enough for stating that you appeared not to. From the depths of my much shamed heart, know I apologize.
I am so shell shocked by the number of times people have been accusing me of supporting the Law of the First Testament with regards to salvation, I simply react immediately to any comment about it now that is posted with a quote from me.
Sorry Brother, I wrongly spoke, and please forgive me.
So you simply ignore, or do not comprehend the 1,000 or so comments I have posted on CC that CLEARLY STATE I do not believe that the Levitical or Mosaic Laws HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION, and continue to suggest/imply that I do believe such, by this incessant referral to them when you comment on one of my posts?
I wonder if this is an intentional act of misrepresentation of my beliefs? Or is it simply that people here are incapable of understanding simple english? You are NOT the only one here that does this. I have several on my Ignore List who do this every time I post a comment on the subject.
NOTHING in the comment you quoted states that the "keeping of the Levitical/Mosaic Laws" is necessary for salvation. In fact, it states JUST THE OPPOSITE. So, either you are intentionally/or mistakenly being deceptive about what I posted, or you are incapable of distinguishing between those Laws/the Law of the First Covenant, and the Law of the New Covenant, which is the Law of Faith that Jesus Christ Himself established and the Apostles preached.
Either way, I am soooooooo OVER people who intentionally or mistakenly misrepresent me and my beliefs, for it is starting to appear that they are only doing so to deceptively denounce what I believe. They can not disprove the Law of Faith, so they try to avoid it, and go after me with deceptive suggestions that I speak of the Laws of the First Covenant (as the best case scenario), OR they are outright lying about what I say/believe (which is the worst case scenario).
MY BAD!
Goodness............I must apologize............I see that prior to the comment I am referring to, YOU ACTUALLY AGREED WITH ME. I can not apologize enough for stating that you appeared not to. From the depths of my much shamed heart, know I apologize.
I am so shell shocked by the number of times people have been accusing me of supporting the Law of the First Testament with regards to salvation, I simply react immediately to any comment about it now that is posted with a quote from me.
Sorry Brother, I wrongly spoke, and please forgive me.
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TO FOLLOW.......and others I suppose
Honestly, if you read my comment to "follow........" let me say that it is very possible that in the last few days I have posted "snap judgement" comments to others as well. And, if I have, I do now humbly apologize for such comments.
It's just that I have reached a point that I find myself signing on here to fellowship and discuss Scripture with fellow believers, and I find myself having to put on a steel helmet, and crawling into a fox hole, ducking and covering, to avoid all the unwarranted attacks that have been coming my way of late.
ESPECIALLY those that always misrepresent what I believe concerning being obedient to Christ and His Commandments and the Levitical/Mosaic Laws of the First Testament. I have made my beliefs known here so many times, and some here refuse to acknowledge my beliefs, and incessantly state, or even worse, slyly suggest I have a different belief, in that they post comments saying I must believe in keeping said Laws for salvation. That is completely false. They lie when they post such, and I am simply exhausted with the argument.
Anyway, IF I have hit anyone here with such a "snap judgement" comment wrongly, please forgive me. I have determined that (starting today) I will hesitate prior to posting a "return comment" to anyone here, and take the time to gather my thoughts, and BE SURE I UNDERSTAND their comment to me.
The problem is, it is confusing when I post a comment about my beliefs, and someone simply posts a comment in reference to my comment that JUST speaks of how it is unBiblical to believe that Law Keeping (First Covenant Law) has to do with salvation. WELL YEAH! That is what I ALWAYS SAY.
It would be a great help if people would (somewhere in their comment) add something like.....
"Yes," or "I agree," or some positive response, so that I know they are NOT trying to wrongly accuse me of supporting the Laws of the First Covenant with regards to salvation.
Anyway, IF I have wrongly done such in the last few days............I do apologize.
Honestly, if you read my comment to "follow........" let me say that it is very possible that in the last few days I have posted "snap judgement" comments to others as well. And, if I have, I do now humbly apologize for such comments.
It's just that I have reached a point that I find myself signing on here to fellowship and discuss Scripture with fellow believers, and I find myself having to put on a steel helmet, and crawling into a fox hole, ducking and covering, to avoid all the unwarranted attacks that have been coming my way of late.
ESPECIALLY those that always misrepresent what I believe concerning being obedient to Christ and His Commandments and the Levitical/Mosaic Laws of the First Testament. I have made my beliefs known here so many times, and some here refuse to acknowledge my beliefs, and incessantly state, or even worse, slyly suggest I have a different belief, in that they post comments saying I must believe in keeping said Laws for salvation. That is completely false. They lie when they post such, and I am simply exhausted with the argument.
Anyway, IF I have hit anyone here with such a "snap judgement" comment wrongly, please forgive me. I have determined that (starting today) I will hesitate prior to posting a "return comment" to anyone here, and take the time to gather my thoughts, and BE SURE I UNDERSTAND their comment to me.
The problem is, it is confusing when I post a comment about my beliefs, and someone simply posts a comment in reference to my comment that JUST speaks of how it is unBiblical to believe that Law Keeping (First Covenant Law) has to do with salvation. WELL YEAH! That is what I ALWAYS SAY.
It would be a great help if people would (somewhere in their comment) add something like.....
"Yes," or "I agree," or some positive response, so that I know they are NOT trying to wrongly accuse me of supporting the Laws of the First Covenant with regards to salvation.
Anyway, IF I have wrongly done such in the last few days............I do apologize.
Are you casting doubt on this Scripture? Paul's writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit concerning the Corinthians. What about this one addressing the Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 1:2, "Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:"
1 Corinthians 1:2, "Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:"
Actually John146 you are totally wrong about Salvation.
We are not saved by Jesus and we are not saved by keeping the commandments and we are not saved by walking with Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
We have been saved by God. Its the Grace of God that has saved us. We cannot be saved by any works we do.
If one is trying to walk with Jesus to receive Salvation that is Works.
We never go looking for Jesus and we never want Jesus while we walk in darkness. Its God who seeks us out first. Its God who by His Grace gives us our Salvation. Its God who Justifies us. And its God who Sanctifies us!
We by ourselves can do NOTHING to receive Salvation! Nor can we lose our Salvation because Salvation is by Grace from God.
I find it so sad many teach we can lose our Salvation at the drop of a hat. These people really do not know God nor understand God at all. To them everything is based on their Works.
We are not saved by Jesus and we are not saved by keeping the commandments and we are not saved by walking with Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
We have been saved by God. Its the Grace of God that has saved us. We cannot be saved by any works we do.
If one is trying to walk with Jesus to receive Salvation that is Works.
We never go looking for Jesus and we never want Jesus while we walk in darkness. Its God who seeks us out first. Its God who by His Grace gives us our Salvation. Its God who Justifies us. And its God who Sanctifies us!
We by ourselves can do NOTHING to receive Salvation! Nor can we lose our Salvation because Salvation is by Grace from God.
I find it so sad many teach we can lose our Salvation at the drop of a hat. These people really do not know God nor understand God at all. To them everything is based on their Works.
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Well you may say false teacher, but there is no such thing as a false grace teacher.
God's grace can never be false!
So if you want to use this statement you had better state it as ..........false God's grace teacher.....or maybe God's false grace teacher.
At least this way it is clear that you are stating that God's grace is false.
God's grace can never be false!
So if you want to use this statement you had better state it as ..........false God's grace teacher.....or maybe God's false grace teacher.
At least this way it is clear that you are stating that God's grace is false.
what of the one who sows to please his spirit reaping eternal life? yet the subject is temporal or some other inheritance? eternal life is our inheritance. I just will never agree with an unconditional salvation when theres 100s of scriptures that say the opposite. if a person lives to please the sinful nature from that sowing will reap destruction. the one who sows or works to please the spirit will reap eternal life.
there are no scriptures saying we have some other inheritance, there are rewards and we can store up treasures in heaven ect. but there is either eternal life or there is eternal punishment look see Jesus says it repeatedly too.
luke 6:49 "But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete."
complete destruction isn't code for saved but no full inheritance. this is the problem with this doctrine there are things like you saying well its not eternal life hes talking of. it just is friend. m not a bad guy because I refuse to omit whats there in favor of the popular grace teaching. its better to know whats there and accept it. another example?
nmatthew 16:24-27 24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life[SUP]f[/SUP] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
its throughout pre cross post cross. how we live in response to all that has been done for us, will determine whether we live for eternity in hell, or live for eternity at the side of Christ. the gospel of grace that's currently flooding the world, has to convince people Jesus isn't talking about that, or pauls saying your saved but you don't get a full inheritance. the phrase is "has any inheritance" so its not a matter of inheriting a part of it because we refuse to repent, if we do not repent of our sin, and yes that means stop sinning a basic elementary teaching
Hebrews 6:1-4 "1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[SUP]a[/SUP] and of faith in God, 2instruction about cleansing rites,[SUP]b[/SUP] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And God permitting, we will do so.
you see repentance from acts that lead to death? sin is death, repentance is to repent of doing those actions. the grace doctrine has to change the meaning of everything. repentance has always been the same stop sinning, turn from sin. you may fall or stumble later it will be a struggle to repent of sin but look here its elementary, a foundational requirement for salvation. but truthfully a person can take a strange idea and find scripture to support it, that's what false teachers do.
the truth is repentance requirement. baptism, rewuirement, living right requirement, you don't have to be perfect in obedience, but you have to be in obedience. confession of sin= biblically sound teaching, repentance biblically sound, forgive others or you will not be forgiven by God, biblically sound teaching......ect ect. its like the church wants a new age way to grasp what is there in the word, but really we just are supposed to believe what is taught in the written word. since Jesus, there will never be a revolution of Gods word or how to be saved. Jesus was it, he revolutionized everything by forgiving us, putting the sinner in us to death, and breathing life into us. its always about what we do, grace made us clean and new, but if are choice is to go roll in the mud, well become soiled again. that doesn't mean we cant be forgiven and cleansed again, but that too is conditional upon repentance.
if I sin tomorrow and am aware of it, ill be convicted, sincerely ask for forgiveness, I will be forgiven and restored to a clear conscience just like the word says....there is grace a plenty, but its not what the new age popular grace says. there is much responsibility on the believer. and how we live after we come and receive all of this grace and love ect... has a great part in determining salvation. this isn't just an idea or opinion, its whats written clearly in Gods word without a doctrine I need to prove or disprove. so I need not omit anything it all fits together Grace is for the purpose of making a sinner righteous, and the righteous will shine in the kingdom of God eternally. its not like its " you go on and live as you wish and then when I return ill say you are righteous. its I have made you righteous now go live it, if you don't, when I return I will not be slow in keeping my word to those who refuse to repent either.
God is faithful, also to his many warnings of coming wrath
no that's not all paul says here he also says or do you not know that "wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God" a clear warning to them because they were living carnally lol. you see your omission here? paul also makes it clear again and again that those who are living in wrong actions will not have any inheritance in Gods kingdom. all he is saying is what ive been saying, Jesus did all that for us, he doesn't take our responsibility to live right away, he took our excuse " I'm just a sinner I cant do it right" away. he made us able now were absolutely without excuse that sin has us under its power or anything.
you can choose to omit whats there in favor of grace grace, but really this is a warning to those living in error, that wrong DOERS will not inherit eternal life. see if I think all paul taught is grwce, every clear warning or lesson I have to change to make it grace. even if its a warning about how I'm living " well paul only taught grace so it must mean something else" that's why false doctrines are dangerous....they change our way of perceiving whats in the word. how a person acts has a part in determining salvation, its not unconditional regardless of our behavior
you can choose to omit whats there in favor of grace grace, but really this is a warning to those living in error, that wrong DOERS will not inherit eternal life. see if I think all paul taught is grwce, every clear warning or lesson I have to change to make it grace. even if its a warning about how I'm living " well paul only taught grace so it must mean something else" that's why false doctrines are dangerous....they change our way of perceiving whats in the word. how a person acts has a part in determining salvation, its not unconditional regardless of our behavior
Gods grace can be distorted and mistaught, there are several warnings in the new testament paul makes a point to show grace doesn't mean unconditional, in nearly every letter he makes the point " those who live to please the sinful nature will die, those who live to please the spirit will live. peter warns of pauls writings being distorted, a
2 peter 3 :14-16 "14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
see this? make every effort to be found spotless and blameless, pauls writings hard to understand and easily distorted as are other scriptures........several other warnings of distorting grace in the nt. this same issue was going on even in that day. a group was saying grace means theres no need to live right, your saved no matter what and the nt writers warned of it.
2 peter 3 :14-16 "14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
see this? make every effort to be found spotless and blameless, pauls writings hard to understand and easily distorted as are other scriptures........several other warnings of distorting grace in the nt. this same issue was going on even in that day. a group was saying grace means theres no need to live right, your saved no matter what and the nt writers warned of it.
the bible doesn't teach unconditional salvation friend. sorry you feel lijke obeying God is a bad work of the flesh and all, but its been Gods will from the beginning and will be in the end. if you feel how u say here your so in love with Jesus then why not love Jesus His way and obey His commands? why not teach what HE told His disciples to go teach to the world? obey everything I have commanded you? why not take His word for things? or if that doesn't work, why not acceot pauls many writings that salvation isn't unconditional that those who live in sin have noi inheritance in Gods kingdom? and that it is those who live to please the spirit that will inherit eternal life?
galatians 6:7-8"7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return. 8The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life
this from the same man who teaches about gods grace. and you see this scripture as having nothing to do with eternal life and a persons actions? or death and their actions? this is why I never get anywhere in discussions with the gog folks. even if the word is clearly saying how you live has a poart in determining your eternal home, you guys cant acceot whats there because in your minds you think Gods salvation has no condition upon your response to the suffering and death of His only son.
eternal life is not promised to those who live life to please their sinful nature, those have no part in Jesus Cjrist and His eternal kingdom. jESUS says it, paul, john ect.... jesus death wasn't just a fantasy, his work wasn't a thought. he made us new and clean innocent of charge. if a person takes that in vein they are lost and there are no other saviors or philosophies that are coming to change anything, Jesus is it and all. He himself brought Gods grace, and also Gods truth. grace is not everything its a part of Gods plan.
galatians 6:7-8"7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return. 8The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life
this from the same man who teaches about gods grace. and you see this scripture as having nothing to do with eternal life and a persons actions? or death and their actions? this is why I never get anywhere in discussions with the gog folks. even if the word is clearly saying how you live has a poart in determining your eternal home, you guys cant acceot whats there because in your minds you think Gods salvation has no condition upon your response to the suffering and death of His only son.
eternal life is not promised to those who live life to please their sinful nature, those have no part in Jesus Cjrist and His eternal kingdom. jESUS says it, paul, john ect.... jesus death wasn't just a fantasy, his work wasn't a thought. he made us new and clean innocent of charge. if a person takes that in vein they are lost and there are no other saviors or philosophies that are coming to change anything, Jesus is it and all. He himself brought Gods grace, and also Gods truth. grace is not everything its a part of Gods plan.
do you not see paul saying "wrongdoers will have no inheritance in Gods kingdom, after pointing out they were defeated because they were acting as they were? how do you 2 translate this to mean paul is telling them theyre saved no matter what?
myself I see a simple warning from paul, pointing out their actions were putting them in danger of losing their inheritance, I see that because that's whats there to see. I don't have the idea unconditional in my head is the difference so when I see a clear warning, I don't need to omit or change it can take it at face value. false doctrines inhibit perception
myself I see a simple warning from paul, pointing out their actions were putting them in danger of losing their inheritance, I see that because that's whats there to see. I don't have the idea unconditional in my head is the difference so when I see a clear warning, I don't need to omit or change it can take it at face value. false doctrines inhibit perception
Here is how Paul talked about the Corinthian church in relation to 1 Cor 6:9-11. In verse 9-10 Paul is talking about the unrighteous people. God's people are called the righteous because of Christ in them. In verse 11 - Paul talks about who these Corinthians really are in Christ.
Paul told the Corinthians who they were in Christ..then corrected their behavior...he didn't say you were all unsaved now...people with a mindset that says "you can lose your salvation because of sin" - this is where they put in their "application" of the scripture.
..he told them who they were in Christ..saints..they have His righteousness, holiness..etc.
These are the very same people that were causing divisions and strife amongst each other. Men going to have sex with the temple prostitutes, believers taking each other to court, people getting drunk at Communion....many divisions against each other...etc.
Paul called them carnal Christians and yet at the same time called them "saints" - that they have the righteousness of God, that they were complete in Him, that they had the mind of Christ, that they were holy...etc...that Christ was confirmed as being in them.
Then Paul goes on to say in verse 8 " who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Paul gives them their true identity in Christ then goes on to describe what this true life in Christ will look like. Paul says later on to "Awake to righteousness and sin not" This is a call to see who you are in Christ and in seeing this - sin will fall off of us like dead leaves off a tree.
1 Corinthians 1:1-9 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
[SUP]31 [/SUP] so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."
Paul told the Corinthians who they were in Christ..then corrected their behavior...he didn't say you were all unsaved now...people with a mindset that says "you can lose your salvation because of sin" - this is where they put in their "application" of the scripture.
..he told them who they were in Christ..saints..they have His righteousness, holiness..etc.
These are the very same people that were causing divisions and strife amongst each other. Men going to have sex with the temple prostitutes, believers taking each other to court, people getting drunk at Communion....many divisions against each other...etc.
Paul called them carnal Christians and yet at the same time called them "saints" - that they have the righteousness of God, that they were complete in Him, that they had the mind of Christ, that they were holy...etc...that Christ was confirmed as being in them.
Then Paul goes on to say in verse 8 " who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Paul gives them their true identity in Christ then goes on to describe what this true life in Christ will look like. Paul says later on to "Awake to righteousness and sin not" This is a call to see who you are in Christ and in seeing this - sin will fall off of us like dead leaves off a tree.
1 Corinthians 1:1-9 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
[SUP]31 [/SUP] so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."
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again bruce I don't even read your comments, haven't read this one even, just letting you know no disrespect or anything, but you and I never find any common ground you always have the same scriptures, distorted the same way and when you are shown clearly you just say it doesn't apply or a person who is in obedience to Jesus is somehow working to save themselves without Jesus or the many other thuings you and I have discussed for months. I cant learn from you, its a waste of time to go in the exact circles. you think grace eliminates the rest of scripoture. it doesn't, its a piece of the puzzle. doesn't eliminate your responsibility to live right, thuis according to all the scriptures your doctrine omits.
you see paul said dif you call on the name of the Lord believe in thy heart you will be saved. you fail to understand that paul also said " if you live to please your sinful nature you will reap destruction, if you live to please the spirit that was gifted to you by Grace, you will reap eternal life." this isn't an obscure mis understanding its in nearly all of His epistles he makes clear grace doesn't negate how you live. he doesn't teach the same grace as the modern gog doctrine, its a distortion of true Godly Grace that exists to make a holy people, who actually do Gods will. the bible doesn't teach just say the work is finished very little of that doctrine is found, and it never negates the behavior. what grace did not do is say sin is no longer death. it is. I cant help that it upsets you guys to see truth that doesn't fit the misteaching you spread. unconditional salvation? no salvation by faith and through grace for the sole purpose of righteousness because righteousness is eternal life. sin is eternal death. its just what it is, no new age philosophy or false doctrine will change whats already set by the Lord as the only way.
is this a public forum? meant for the public to discuss the bible? I'm not preaching to anyone and no I'm not a part of the gog choir at all. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ sharing what I know on a public forum with anyone who wishes to read and consider. I have no desire to debate grace v works its not a debate in reality. I'm not here to debate can a person lose salvation? or is repentance necessary? or is repentance actually stopping sin? or is baptism rewuired? lol none of those or the many other debates interest me, Gods word is clear. I learn from a few blessed people here each time I come here, many I do not learn a thing from and just end up in the same debate them giving the same scriptures anyone can find in a joseph prince study guide. I do not or never will be taken in by Hos doctrine, I choose what God says even when it isn't pleasing to hear.
I don't need to omit my own responsibility now that Jesus has done all for me, now I know the truth why????
john 8:31-32 "31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
in Christ there is no Jew, no gentile, the great commission includes all people, being taught to OBEY JESUS COMMANDS. that great commission is the foundation of all Christian doctrine. grace forgave us, and gave us righteousness FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBEYING JESUS. NOT for the purpose of arguing that nothing is required because of grace. not to omit the fact that how we choose to live being covered in Grace, will determine our eternal salvation. grace doesn't guarantee eternal life, it equips us to live right, its still all about doing what is right, grace made that possible now. it doesn't change God it changed you to be like God in true righteousness and holiness, prepared and able for every good work. those good works are explained throughout the gospel and are meant to do. there are consequences for actions whether I say I believe, or not sin is death, all who choose to serve sin will enbd up where sin ends up. we either fellowship with Jesus and are united with Him or we fellowship and are united to sin and death.
its about how we live in the knowledge of Grace
I don't need to omit my own responsibility now that Jesus has done all for me, now I know the truth why????
john 8:31-32 "31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
in Christ there is no Jew, no gentile, the great commission includes all people, being taught to OBEY JESUS COMMANDS. that great commission is the foundation of all Christian doctrine. grace forgave us, and gave us righteousness FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBEYING JESUS. NOT for the purpose of arguing that nothing is required because of grace. not to omit the fact that how we choose to live being covered in Grace, will determine our eternal salvation. grace doesn't guarantee eternal life, it equips us to live right, its still all about doing what is right, grace made that possible now. it doesn't change God it changed you to be like God in true righteousness and holiness, prepared and able for every good work. those good works are explained throughout the gospel and are meant to do. there are consequences for actions whether I say I believe, or not sin is death, all who choose to serve sin will enbd up where sin ends up. we either fellowship with Jesus and are united with Him or we fellowship and are united to sin and death.
its about how we live in the knowledge of Grace