Is being gay a sin?

[Yeraza_Bats]

Also, I was addressing the issue of being gay. I still stand by my view that a practicing, unrepentant gay person CANNOT also be a practicing christian. If they repent of being gay, then yes. If not, then in no way are they a christian.

Yes! Jesus entirely commanded us to repent of our sins, to acknowledge that we are sinners, and come to Him. Refusing to repent of this sin, as well as others, and rationalizing it to help ourselves believe its not wrong, is rebelling against Him.

I think its 100% right to say that someone who follows out this urge willingly and embraces it is not a Christian.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Define "being" gay. If you identify as an abomination but resist temptation, is that still damnable?

I dont think we should identify with it, no. I think its 100% right to say that we deal with this struggle, but to like proudly proclaim it doesnt seem like the right thing to do.

I dunno about it being damnable, at least not right at this moment, but why identify with a struggle? Why should someone who deals with drug addiction identify with addiction? I dont see how its in any way beneficial.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Define "being" gay. If you identify as an abomination but resist temptation, is that still damnable?

You can only resist temptation for so long, before you give in to it and commit it. So identifying as gay, AND still being attracted to the same sex, is a temptation that many cannot resist.. Whether they hop into bed or not, the temptation is still there and we all know how hard it is to resist temptation..

 

[HoneyDew]

God has absolute power and a gay person can be delivered from that situation if they desire to. It is their personal confession and faith. To say otherwise is contrary to Gods word. Yes we are all tempted or have been tempted by something, it is what we do during those temptations that is key. God can give us the strength to resist it. Speak blessings and deliverance over their lives until deliverance comes. Once God sets you free stay free and don't go back that way again.


Isaiah 55:11King James Version (KJV)

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

1 Corinthians 10:13King James Version (KJV)

13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.



2 Corinthians 5:17King James Version (KJV)

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Galatians 5:1King James Version (KJV)

5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage

Galatians 5:16King James Version (KJV)

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh


1 John 1:9King James Version (KJV)

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Maglost]

I dont think we should identify with it, no. I think its 100% right to say that we deal with this struggle, but to like proudly proclaim it doesnt seem like the right thing to do.

I dunno about it being damnable, at least not right at this moment, but why identify with a struggle? Why should someone who deals with drug addiction identify with addiction? I dont see how its in any way beneficial.

I don't see the problem with this. If someone addicted to drugs (to use your example) says: I'm a drugaddict he:
A) Acknowledges he has a problem with drugs
B) Reminds himself that it's something to fight against
C)Recognises his temptations so he knows the signs and can act against it with Gods help.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

I dont think we should identify with it, no. I think its 100% right to say that we deal with this struggle, but to like proudly proclaim it doesnt seem like the right thing to do.

I dunno about it being damnable, at least not right at this moment, but why identify with a struggle? Why should someone who deals with drug addiction identify with addiction? I dont see how its in any way beneficial.

Identifying with a struggle is not always about pride. There can be humility in honesty just as there can be hubris in it.

From what I understand, I don't think it's damnable either, but on the basis that a person actually struggles with it for the sake of their Christian convictions/values. Scripture points out that grace isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card, after all, but it does espouse forgiveness.

 

[1ofthem]

I don't see the problem with this. If someone addicted to drugs (to use your example) says: I'm a drugaddict he:
A) Acknowledges he has a problem with drugs
B) Reminds himself that it's something to fight against
C)Recognises his temptations so he knows the signs and can act against it with Gods help.

In my opinion, once you are saved and receive repentance, you shouldn't continue to identify yourself with sins. Your sins are forgiven and to me it would make it harder to resist sin if you keep telling yourself that you are a drug addict, homosexual, adulterer, fornicator, liar, or any other sin. Continuing to call yourself by those names would be like putting yourself under bondage of them. Once Jesus saves us we are not bound to any sin any longer. I think identifying with sin is actually limiting Jesus because through him we are made over comers. What we used to be is no longer because old things have passed away and Jesus makes us a new person. That's how I see it anyhow.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

^ well said.

 

[Church2u2]

1st Corinthians 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.) Well if a gay person has repented and no longer acts on those urges that person can be joined to Christ.Jesus isn't a homosexual so if one is joined to Him by accepting Christ into their hearts then what does that make the gay person?Just asking.Repeat:Just asking and would appreciate a response.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I don't see the problem with this. If someone addicted to drugs (to use your example) says: I'm a drugaddict he:
A) Acknowledges he has a problem with drugs
B) Reminds himself that it's something to fight against
C)Recognises his temptations so he knows the signs and can act against it with Gods help.

I think theres a difference between confessing that he deals with drug addiction over proudly taking that identity of a drug addict as his own, though. If its a struggle, something you are working to overcome, why be proud that you struggle with it?

 

[Maglost]

I think theres a difference between confessing that he deals with drug addiction over proudly taking that identity of a drug addict as his own, though. If its a struggle, something you are working to overcome, why be proud that you struggle with it?

I never mentioned that they were proud of it... The only thing I said is that they struggle with these feelings, don't want them (opposite of being proud about it) and that they're repented/ask God for help. That doesn't sound like pride to me, or am I totally wrong here... It'd be a different story if they were waving rainbow flags at Gay Prides

 

[nzlotrfan]

It's better to call them gay or homo(sexuals), they ARE, after all.. I've heard them described in much worse words.. just saying..

Technically speaking, Blue, you are correct. But at least in my mind, and maybe I shouldn't think this, the term 'homo' is a derogatory term. But at the same time, while I'd clasify my self, technically speaking, as bisexual, I wouldn't care if I was called bi. But homo, yes I would find that insulting. ... and to add to that, I do not call myself bisexual, as that tends to suggest a lifestyle in people's minds.

.. another reason why properly defining terms is important. Same Sex Attracted (SSA) is a better description, imo. It subsides any stigma and describes with more accuracy.

 

[nzlotrfan]

I never mentioned that they were proud of it... The only thing I said is that they struggle with these feelings, don't want them (opposite of being proud about it) and that they're repented/ask God for help. That doesn't sound like pride to me, or am I totally wrong here... It'd be a different story if they were waving rainbow flags at Gay Prides

Maglost, what are you trying to determine again?

 

[Maglost]

Maglost, what are you trying to determine again?

I wanted to know peoples opinion here about SSA (what is a better term for gay people if I understand correctly) and what they think the bible says about it.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I never mentioned that they were proud of it... The only thing I said is that they struggle with these feelings, don't want them (opposite of being proud about it) and that they're repented/ask God for help. That doesn't sound like pride to me, or am I totally wrong here... It'd be a different story if they were waving rainbow flags at Gay Prides

We may just have different ideas on what identifying as something means : p To me it reflects acceptance. With me its a personal struggle, as we all deal with our own struggles, and not a part of me that I embrace or whatever : p I dont feel like identifying with an urge is necessary : p But I am open about it as I really want to help encourage others who deal with similar issues I deal with.

 

[Depleted]

If they are UNREPENTANT, then no, they aren't..

Why would a homosexual become a believer and then not have sex, if unrepentant?

Repent means turn from. The example given is someone who turned from having sex.

 

[Depleted]

I absolutely understood the offensive slang term yes. But as Christians all sin being equal it is my understanding that we should address the issues and not resort to offensive name calling.

So their terms? Which one? Queer? Lesbian? Gay? Bi? I won't call a spade a diamond. I find their terms offensive to them. Just because they pick their own insults doesn't mean I'll join in.

 

[Depleted]

I tend to avoid these discussions because I don't really have any thing to offer. I have gay friends, I don't see them a lot but I've been a person they've come to when they just couldn't understand why they couldn't be like everyone else. A man who was attracted to women or vice versa. I was young when a friend of mine told his Dad and his Father beat him up pretty badly.

I had another friend who's entire family turned their backs on him. He was, confused and scared and sad. These people would come talk to my Mom because she wasn't telling them they were evil and unworthy. Our house was a safe place. I try to follow my Mom's example, who buy the way does not agree with gay marriage, but feels as do I, people can't just shut off their feelings. If someone told me to stop being attracted to men I couldn't. I'm not saying that God makes babies gay, but there's got to be something in there. I look at these poor folks who are born with both a penis and vagina. What does that person do? I mean I guess if you're lucky you're attracted to one sex and feel like a boy or a girl.

I guess what I'm saying is, how does anyone who's never experienced strong attraction and feelings towards the same gender understand how someone like that feels?

Please don't bash me or argue, I'm not posting for that. I'm not saying anyone is wrong and I'm right, this is just another point of view.

Even those who are born androgene, don't have both a penis and vagina. They usually have a malformed cliterous that looks like a penis, but still have the vagina. Or their penis is so malformed at first look, the doctor believes the baby is a girl. What does that person do? Nowadays, they test babies to find out which gender they are and go from there.

Back in my youth, the child usually grows up as the wrong gender, doesn't act "right" for that gender, and when puberty hits, there are enough changes in the body that it causes health problems and the truth comes out. (I had a friend who spent the first 12 years of her life thinking she was a boy, only to get her period, but, since there was no way to discharge, it caused an infection. The blood was rotting in her womb. She didn't have a "sex change" operation. She had corrective surgery. And she always felt like a girl, which caused her parents problems and made her feel terrible about herself. After corrective surgery, the family had to move, because everyone she knew suddenly turned on them for changing their son into a daughter.)

And again, you're right. We can't change who we are. God can and does.

 

[Vigil]

This is a hard question. My mother herself is a lesbian, and claims she has felt that way ever since a little girl. When I first realized what she was, it hurt, and I prayed and prayed she could change, but did not think it was possible.

Eventually Jesus proved me wrong, my mother says she still has those feelings, but can beat them now through her faith. I think being gay is similar to having a disability. It just so happens this disability prompts you to sin. We all have our cross to bear, and homosexuals or those that are "gender challenged" (I guess that's the PC term these days.) are not inherently evil, but bear the burden of having to fight their feelings, which is a far greater challenge than most of us have to deal with. That being said I also think its possible to "turn" if you embrace the sub-culture too much, or if you are exposed to it early on, as its prone to confuse a child about what their gender actually is, and what that entails.

What the real issue is, is that the media and the government are now imposing values which celebrate LGBTQ ideology, and they are doing so to our children. I don't understand why prayer is not allowed in school, but you can read kids stories about how little Jimmy has two daddies. Actually I do understand, but I think it's evil plain and simple.

If anyone is interested in this topic, there is a very very informative documentary about a man named Dr. Kinsey who is considered "the guru of sexology" (or w/e) he was active in the 40's and 60's I believe and was instrumental in the "sexual revolution" and normalizing alternative sexuality. He was also a correspondent with Aleister Crowley, Nazi's, and various sexual deviants, and was the person who laid the foundation for modern "sex-education". I won't get into too many details here, cause well they are pretty horrible and gruesome, but I assure you everything he did was documented by his own hand. For some reason people just don't seem to register the man responsible for normalizing alternative sexuality was well... A monster. If you look into Kinsey you will understand how our society got to where it is. I hope this was informative. God bless!

 

[Depleted]

I don't think we should identify with it, no. I think its 100% right to say that we deal with this struggle, but to like proudly proclaim it doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

I dunno about it being damnable, at least not right at this moment, but why identify with a struggle? Why should someone who deals with drug addiction identify with addiction? I don't see how its in any way beneficial.

It's beneficial to know I'm not alone. It's beneficial to find out who will stand with me and who will turn their backs from me. It's beneficial to know where I came from to see how far God has brought me since. AND it's beneficial for others to know so they don't have to hide their shame, can gain the support and love of the Christian family/church, and realize THERE IS ABUNDANT LIFE IN GOD even for them.

(Hey, you asked about drug addicts. I fit the bill. And, sure 'nuff, God changed me. And he changed me in a nontraditional way. I did give up the lifestyle and the habit decades ago through him in me. 16 years ago, I found out oxycodone was the only pain med that cuts down my pain. I've been living on them all this time, got that side effect of pleasant high the first week, but didn't pursue it -- again through God's strength -- and haven't done what most people do when stuck on pain killers this long. Doctors say we develop a tolerance to it, so must increase the amount over the years. I went with their theory, but then I chose to lower it back down to original amount, and God has been kind enough to make sure it works this much later, at that amount. Honest! God is able.)