Reproving the world of sin

[Grace777x70]

It is no secret that you support and even flood the forums with the false doctrine of Joseph Prince and the Hyper grace movement. To all that have been given eyes to see, know this is in fact false doctrine. So again, what I said is not slander if it is the truth. You just believe and promote the lies of Joseph Prince, but I do not, but rather "reprove" them.

Your accusation of slander toward me is just your own personal opinion of what you believe to be true, and what I believe to be true. Calling false doctrine false doctrine is not slander.

That is your opinion and everyone is entitled to what they believe. I believe in living a holy life separated unto the Lord and walking with Him in all things so no matter who you associate me with you are slandering me.

This is my last post in this thread and I will not come back to listen to your slandering and malice towards those that have a different view of some things then you do.

I will let the mods deal with your behavior. I bless you and hope you have a great day!

 

[PeterJens]

Before Christ, we lived as self-sufficiently as possible, thinking that God would probably grade on a curve and accept us at least partly on the basis of our own best efforts and self-generated goodness.

The above statement is a statement of interpretation that has no biblical foundation.
People were reconned as righteous because of their faith, not their behaviour.

The proposal is self-righteousness worked before Christ but now no longer does.
So accepting this proposition, you accept Gods relationship with mankind has changed.
This is in stark contrast to Jesus being the cornerstone of the testimony of Israel and the
law.

It is just a faith trying to justify itself as replacing what has gone before because it failed,
and now the super revelation has appeared 2,000 years after Christ.

What is absurd in this proposition is justifying the passing of 2,000 years and Jesus and the
Holy Spirit not passing on this wisdom to the apostles and the church until now.

What fits rather well this is just heresy of the modern day, tickling the ears of those who want
to believe their wealth and lifestyle are ok, and nothing bad is going to happen in the future.

 

[PeterJens]

I believe in living a holy life separated unto the Lord and walking with Him in all things so no matter who you associate me with you are slandering me.

Now I would not normally comment on a statement but I have to here.
"living a holy life" - without any reasonable reference points, defining sin in a hyper-legalistic way, this is actually impossible.

What is probably meant is though being in self condemned sin and evil caused by the flesh
or self focus at any level, we can have imputed holiness because of a new perfect identity
through the new spirit born into us from heaven which is our true eternal identity.

In practical terms talking about sin, repentance, confession no longer apply, and the believer
themselves defines what they mean, because it is no longer biblical, and each one has their
own view.

One contributer said I diluted sin down to a level where it was hypocracy, but could never give
any examples.

The problem I had is sins of the heart where ignored buried in this hyper-legalism of failure and
lostness. It appears to have a sensible conversation with some is impossible because unless you
talk like them you are the enemy, though they will say you are born again, but then you are a
pharisee and legalist in need of repentance, which is again odd language, because in their world
sin does not need repenting of, just agreeing with God (which is unclear actually what they mean)

I feel this is like brainwashing, with answers to specific questions, that make sense in isolation but
never make a complete theological whole, it just makes them feel good about where they are.

 

[followjesus]

Joseph Prince: The Dangerous Error of Hyper-Grace

Quote from article....

like jp does anytime a gog keeper is pinned down in truth they return to what theyr not saying. even though its what they constantly say, when faced with truth " its not what were saying"

 

[followjesus]

Reported..just more malice and slander...we are trying to have this type of behavior stopped.

EXACTLY you are trying to stop the truth being spoken on this site, that's the goal and why you report such a statement as that is ridiculous, it is a statement of truth according to Jesus Christ. and all the new testament. Gods word isn't opinion, Christianity is not democracy. its monarchy. Jesus the king and his people. calling a doctrine that is false and destructive, false and destructive is in no way something that should be stopped in the Church. without true doctrine there is only deception

 

[followjesus]

Just as you point out that "the verses the Hyper grace followers use as a stand alone "proof" of sorts to suggest that the Holy Spirit in only sent to reprove unbelievers", your use of John 16:8 to support your assertion that believers are reproved is not proper.

In John 16, the Comforter's dealing with believers is shown in 13-14 he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

You have done the same thing you accuse "Hyper grace followers" of doing.

You cannot have it both ways.

And fyi, I do not consider myself to be "Hyper grace". Nor do I consider myself to be "legalistic".

I believe the grace of God to be such a wonderful place to live and I also believe that in order to have the fullness of fellowship spoken of in various passages of Scripture is due to keeping the commandments of Christ. John 14:23 tells me that if I love the Lord Jesus Christ, I will keep His words and He and Father will come and make their abode with me. That is what I want. I want Father and Son to abide within me. I want fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ as spoken of in 1 John 1:3. And 1 John 1:7 tells us that those who have fellowship with God will also have fellowship with each other. I want to fellowship with those who enjoy a robust fellowship with Father and Son.

to support your comment here. another thing Jesus said of the spirit " he will remind you of everything I have said to you"

everything includes all the wornings, obedience ect not just john 3:16.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

like jp does anytime a gog keeper is pinned down in truth they return to what theyr not saying. even though its what they constantly say, when faced with truth " its not what were saying"

That is what I have noticed as well, it is a constant flip flopping on what they say they believe, or have said in the past. But when confronted with scripture that proves them wrong there is this effort to either twist it's meaning, or even deny that is what they have said in the past. And when you show them what they have said in the past, they then say you are trying to misrepresent what they are really saying. LOL

I've have heard their false doctrine over and over again in these forums, by their own words, and even in the videos and copy pastes from that web site they follow so I know what they promote. But when you see this constant effort of trying to twist words and meanings, and even misrepresent what is plainly being said in scripture you know that should be a warning sign of someone who is trying to handle the word of God deceitfully.

There should not be all this great effort to redefine doctrine by all the slippery twisting of words and meanings to try to misrepresent what is plainly being said in scripture. The Hyper grace crowd seems to want to redefine words and meanings to conform and fit into their own twisted version of the gospel.

 

[followjesus]

That is what I have noticed as well, it is a constant flip flopping on what they say they believe, or have said in the past. But when confronted with scripture that proves them wrong there is this effort to either twist it's meaning, or even deny that is what they have said in the past. And when you show them what they have said in the past, they then say you are trying to misrepresent what they are really saying. LOL

I've have heard their false doctrine over and over again in these forums, by their own words, and even in the videos and copy pastes from that web site they follow so I know what they promote. But when you see this constant effort of trying to twist words and meanings, and even misrepresent what is plainly being said in scripture you know that should be a warning sign of someone who is trying to handle the word of God deceitfully.

There should not be all this great effort to redefine doctrine by all the slippery twisting of words and meanings to try to misrepresent what is plainly being said in scripture. The Hyper grace crowd seems to want to redefine words and meanings to conform and fit into their own twisted version of the gospel.

such a good insight into how this particular deception is working. I even went as far as to watch several sermons by " the most well known" revolutionizer of this grace....watched and payed close attention and his ommitals and twisting of what was plain, stood out so much more than any beneficial message he has. I used to think whats the harm in this thinking, but as you are saying, when confronted with the truth of the word its issue is clear. at ALL costs cling to the lie, at all costs, omit what Jesus says of things. even when you study paul in the spirit, this doctrine is opposite what he teaches.

they "divide" the word by only admitting what seems positive to humans. I was reading last night in the o.t. " the false prophets were telling the people God would never punish them, hes too good, they were chosen people, God would always be for them regardless of behavior" there is no difference now. Jesus is full of Grace but it is not what is taught by thos false doctrine. He is Just like God the Father, His ways are our life His authority is our Life, our reverence for Him is our life. really can see the spirit speaking through much of your posts, be blessed brother as you follow the truth and walk in His victory

 

[Utah]

Christ is my righteousness, learn of Him.

If Christ was your Righteousness you'd spend a lot more time thanking Him and praising Him rather than preaching about works salvation and self righteousness.

 

[Utah]

You show no respect to God and to upholding His Word of Truth by trying to twist and pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ.

On the contrary, we show God total respect by thanking Him on bended knee for the wonderful gift He has freely given.

 

[Utah]

So the Lord is not coming to destroy the sinners of the world?

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

What is it about John 3:16 you fail to comprehend?

 

[Utah]

That's right, I am not reproving non believers by the words of God, but those who claim to be "believers."

Well looky here, more self righteousness.

 

[Stephen63]

Reported..just more malice and slander...we are trying to have this type of behavior stopped.

Go ahead..... keep reporting those that quote the most scripture.... they'll see right thru your little scheme & notice you do others the same way. I wonder what they'll do then?

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Letting no man despsie you is that harder part

Rebuke there is used as reprove also

Might be dependent on the who is reproved as it says here,

Prov 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Then continues onto instruction in 9: 9, even as the scriptures are given for both that and reproof 2 Ti 3:16

2 Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

2 Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Might be dependent on the who is reproved as it says here,

Prov 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Boy, ain't that the truth! LOL

 

[Utah]

Go ahead..... keep reporting those that quote the most scripture.... they'll see right thru your little scheme & notice you do others the same way. I wonder what they'll do then?

The Enemy quotes Scripture and he's still the Enemy.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If Christ was your Righteousness you'd spend a lot more time thanking Him and praising Him rather than preaching about works salvation and self righteousness.

There is that same ole regurgitated straw man they keep trying to prop up

works salvation and self righteousness

You guys really need to get some new false accusations material, that one has been a bit overdone in these forums.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Well looky here, more self righteousness.

There it is again.

 

[Th0mas]

Philippians 2:13

for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Matthew 5:19

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:40

And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Matthew 18:15

"If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over.

James 1:5

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Matthew 18:17

If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Hebrews 10:

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

John 6:

39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

Matthew 7:

22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'
23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers.'

1 John 4:1

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

For anyone who needs me to say, you may compare that above, what is in 1 John 4:1 with what you may look at below and think of how a spirit should be tested.

A translation of Philippians 2:4

not looking to your own advantage only but each of you to the advantage of the others

 

[Utah]

There is that same ole regurgitated straw man they keep trying to prop up

You guys really need to get some new false accusations material, that one has been a bit overdone in these forums.

How's this for a "false" accusation? We who embrace the grace are much more, and I mean much more loving than you folks who embrace self righteousness. That's a fact. And don't try feeding us any nonsense that you're sharing tough love because you don't know love enough to share it.