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ROMANS 13:8.
Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to The Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
9.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other Commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
somebody please step-up here and tell us where all of the 'other Commandments' have been
disannulled after we are Commanded to LOVE our neighbor as yourself???
LUKE 18:18.
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
20.
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal,
Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
all the Commandments mentioned have to do with 'human-upon-human' relationship -
but 'coveting' is missing - for Christ is not our Accuser, nor is He disannulling Grace
or the commandments, but He is being our EXAMPLE of them..
11JOHN 1:6.
And this is LOVE, that we walk after His Commandments. This is the Commandment,
That, as ye have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
1JOHN 2:4.
He that saith, I know him, and keeps not His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
REV. 22:14.Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to The Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to The Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
9.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other Commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
somebody please step-up here and tell us where all of the 'other Commandments' have been
disannulled after we are Commanded to LOVE our neighbor as yourself???
LUKE 18:18.
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
20.
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal,
Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
all the Commandments mentioned have to do with 'human-upon-human' relationship -
but 'coveting' is missing - for Christ is not our Accuser, nor is He disannulling Grace
or the commandments, but He is being our EXAMPLE of them..
11JOHN 1:6.
And this is LOVE, that we walk after His Commandments. This is the Commandment,
That, as ye have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
1JOHN 2:4.
He that saith, I know him, and keeps not His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
REV. 22:14.Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to The Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Ok, so you are using the NIV............nothing wrong with that....... 
Ya coulda just said so..........hmm
(trying to give wee elephant a headache we are)
Ya coulda just said so..........hmm
(trying to give wee elephant a headache we are)
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One verse theologies again can be deceptive, and deceptions are dangerous:
The Wiccan Rede is a statement that provides the key moral system in the Neopagan religion of Wicca and certain other related Witchcraft-based faiths. A common form of the Rede is
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_Rede
The Wiccan Rede is a statement that provides the key moral system in the Neopagan religion of Wicca and certain other related Witchcraft-based faiths. A common form of the Rede is
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_Rede
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Ok, so you are using the NIV............nothing wrong with that.......
Ya coulda just said so..........hmm
(trying to give wee elephant a headache we are)
Ya coulda just said so..........hmm
(trying to give wee elephant a headache we are)
Not opening a version debate - just an observation / clarification ...
I Love niv. mine I purchased in 2000. its troubling me that when I go to bible hub to grab a scripture, the niv ording is changing slowly but constantly. I'm not sure if that only online or if they are now printing nivs that are worded different than the original niv. always I end up chacking things against kjv I think only because my grandmother started me in it as a child and always held to the kjv in her life. I find the wording in niv to simply be the same message in words I commonly speak and understand which makes understanding through prayer and petition much easier for me personally.
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The niv should be used primarily as stated in the earlier post. The roots of the niv are different than that of the kjv. The groups who use the niv for teaching are a system unto themselves, many doctrinal errors can come from this.
You seem to be a good student of the Word - it is good to be aware of the distinctions in texts and in groups who use them. There are other threads deep into this discussion. For now just an awareness awakening ...
You seem to be a good student of the Word - it is good to be aware of the distinctions in texts and in groups who use them. There are other threads deep into this discussion. For now just an awareness awakening ...
I started off with the KJV and went to the NIV and I have not suffered a lack of understanding of the word of God. Of course I am also comparing verses with the interlinear and most of the major translations side by side, as well as doing word studies for Hebrew and Greek. Regarding the KJV, I wouldn't exactly call that the best translation.
That doesn't need to be done with the KJV. Words are important to God not just meaning. And yes, the niv and the KJV contain different words and teachings because they are from different manuscripts altogether. The bottom line comes down to final authority. Who has the final authority on what God has said? Man or a His word?
As I said, I have not suffered a lack of understanding of the word of God due to translations. Give me an verse example from both the KJV and NIV that has a different meaning. Translations for the most part are the use of different words to convey the same meaning, such as destroy vs. perish, but that's not something that is going to change the meaning. Especially when using the interlinear and comparing other translations at a glance. I don't particularly view the KJV as the mother of all translations. In fact I would prefer the NIV over the KJV. But again, translations are not important to me, as I compare all of them when needed as well as the interlinear. I think that people make too much out of this issue.
John 3:16 totally misses the doctrine of the begotten. There are many sons of God from Adam throughout Scripture, but there's only one begotten.
Please, I'm trying to be as honorable to you as possible as your brother in Christ, but when you use different versions and interlinear Bibles and such, you're making yourself out to be the final authority on what God has said. You end up determining which word or words to go with. Is there a book we can read and hold that is THE final authority on what God has said? If yes, where is it? If no, then end of story, we have no final authority to appeal to, just confusion.
Please, I'm trying to be as honorable to you as possible as your brother in Christ, but when you use different versions and interlinear Bibles and such, you're making yourself out to be the final authority on what God has said. You end up determining which word or words to go with. Is there a book we can read and hold that is THE final authority on what God has said? If yes, where is it? If no, then end of story, we have no final authority to appeal to, just confusion.
Yes, it's speaking of the Lord Jesus, but one may miss the reference that He is THE only begotten. If I read the niv through entirely and came to John 3:16...I may have a problem since it reads one and only Son because I also read that Adam was a son and the angels were sons of God. Would I get that understanding through a capital S? Nope.
Another HUGE one in my regards is the doctrine of the "faith of Christ". See Galatians 2:16, 20
KJV - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
NIV - know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
I am justified by the faith of Christ through my belief. My faith is weak and wavering, but Christ's faith is unwavering. I stand on Christ's faith not my own. Take a look at Philippians 3:9:
KJV - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
NIV - and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.
Romans 3:22
KJV - Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
NIV - This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,
Again, the Faith of Christ is obviously Christ's faith, however, faith in Christ points to our individual faith.
Another HUGE one in my regards is the doctrine of the "faith of Christ". See Galatians 2:16, 20
KJV - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
NIV - know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
I am justified by the faith of Christ through my belief. My faith is weak and wavering, but Christ's faith is unwavering. I stand on Christ's faith not my own. Take a look at Philippians 3:9:
KJV - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
NIV - and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.
Romans 3:22
KJV - Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
NIV - This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,
Again, the Faith of Christ is obviously Christ's faith, however, faith in Christ points to our individual faith.
So, since anyone who reads John 3:16 and understands that the scripture is speaking about the One who was crucified, What does it matter whether we read "his one and only Son" vs. "only begotten?" Neither of these are going to change the meaning of who is being spoken of. Everyone knows that "his one and only Son" or "only begotten son" is speaking about the same person, Jesus Christ, which is my point.
monogenḗs (from 3411 /misthōtós, "one-and-only" and 1085 /génos, "offspring, stock") – properly, one-and-only; "one of a kind" – literally, "one (monos) of a class, genos" (the only of its kind).
Agreed, but there is a deeper understanding here for those who want meat and not just milk.
Genesis 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
The word begat here is teaching us that Seth was created through Adam's seed, a part of Adam. Jesus was begotten through the seed of God which was placed in Mary's womb. That point's us back to Genesis 3:15 to the promised seed.
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
You see that seed is of the woman. Wait, but the woman does not carry the seed. Man has the seed. This is the first indication of the virgin birth and that this seed was going to be placed by God. The one born of the woman would be from the seed of God, the only begotten.
Genesis 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
The word begat here is teaching us that Seth was created through Adam's seed, a part of Adam. Jesus was begotten through the seed of God which was placed in Mary's womb. That point's us back to Genesis 3:15 to the promised seed.
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
You see that seed is of the woman. Wait, but the woman does not carry the seed. Man has the seed. This is the first indication of the virgin birth and that this seed was going to be placed by God. The one born of the woman would be from the seed of God, the only begotten.
Leviticus 20:9-13‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.10“ ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.
11“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
12“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
13“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
the law is not just the 10 commandments. the 10 commandments are good. they are a moral law of what not to do. yet the 10 commandments do nottell us WHAT TO do. do we separate the law from the commandments? the law of moses has around 400 rules. regarding what they are not to eat, do, even things like how to control mold ect. everything God said in the law is a command. a decree. a statute. the 10 commandments are all in Jesus teachings, but its not enough to not Kill our neighbor, He commands "if you hate your brother, you are subject to Judgement, if you curse them a fool, you are in danger of the fires of Hell"
the commandments cant save or make us new, the only possibility under the law is to realize " I cant be holy on my own" they are rules of what is evil, don't do it or die. the commandments are a fouindation for the Law, the commandments foundation is edens command. Jesus came with the true "Law" of God a perfect law that frees us from the sin, that is restrained by law. it is the lust we remove in Christ and practice what TO DO. he says to look lustfully, ive already commited adultery in my heart. so I need to " pluck out my eye" or " keep my eyes good." if I'm watching porn, thinking about cheating, lusting after a pretty woman I need to pluck that out of my heart, not only this in Christ, but I need to be pure in thinking as I look at women as I practice what is good and taught by Jesus, the thing I removed is removed by the power of Jesus.
think of the commandments " don't do this". thou shalt not covet. that's the commandment. Jesus is " be on your guard against all Kinds of Greed" and " give to the poor among you. if I'm greedy and I am in the gospel, I will identify greed as a n evil, and I will begin to be giving. this is not in the law, nor is much of Jesus. He is better, perfect and He gives freedom from the death that comes from disobeying the law. the commandment of God is summed up in Him " Love the Lord thy God with all thy HEART, soul, mind,and strength, and also Love your neighbor as yourself." that says ALOT. if I love the lord ill keep His commands just like he said in the desert to his people, Jesus said " if you love me keep my commands." to Love God with every fiber of who we are is the goal, woth our hearts that are purified in the commands of Christ. His gospel is about purification of our heart, so that we are ABLE yo love God with all of it