Trump: Out of Context

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KimPetras

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Fair enough, but if you reject the call to serve for your country then you have no right to insult those who made the sacrifice - especially not the ones who were captured for their service to YOU.
This exact response should be said anytime the subject is brought up. Perfectly worded.
 

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I have a question. If someone is a war hero and then they come home and murder their family...are they still a war hero?
 
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But... he did essentially say he was no hero, right? That was the intent?
I cannot believe that you will ignore McCain's attack on Trump and deny Trump the right to defend himself by simply saying that he didn't think McCain was a hero.
 
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I have a question. If someone is a war hero and then they come home and murder their family...are they still a war hero?
"War hero" yes. If what he did was heroic in the adversity of war, what he does after the war is technically irrelevant to that title.

Just like no matter what Trump has or hasn't done, said or didn't say, he still raised good kids (assuming he was a major influence in their lives). He could shoot someone on 5th avenue in cold blood but it doesn't mean he was a bad father necessarily.
 
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I cannot believe that you will ignore McCain's attack on Trump and deny Trump the right to defend himself by simply saying that he didn't think McCain was a hero.
What was it that McCain said specifically that caused Trump to blast McCain's service? I need some context.
 
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Were not, as in past tense exclusively? How about his comments not only reflect the present but future comments as well?

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," - Donald Trump

My opinion that his future controversial actions will not cause any of his supporters to defect is evident by looking at the sentence structure of his quote. "I could ... shoot... and I wouldn't lose voters". Though, I'm sure he also meant present time as well as whatever he does in the future. Nevertheless, do agree his quote is true for the majority of his supporters?
Donald was simply making the point that a few slips of his tongue weren't going to derail his bid for the presidency. Take it at face value.
 
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You can disagree with someone without having to discredit John McCain's service to the US.

As if Donald is some expert on what a "war hero" even is. He's a twitter warrior who has a louder bark than he has bite. I don't even like McCain, but I can't help but have appreciation for his service. Thankfully, John McCain didn't have any bone spurs... or he might not of had the chance to be an American hero.
If I were a war hero and burned down your house when I got home, are you obliged to call me a war hero?
 
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"War hero" yes. If what he did was heroic in the adversity of war, what he does after the war is technically irrelevant to that title.

Just like no matter what Trump has or hasn't done, said or didn't say, he still raised good kids (assuming he was a major influence in their lives). He could shoot someone on 5th avenue in cold blood but it doesn't mean he was a bad father necessarily.
To elaborate, we view our (America's) founding fathers in high esteem. They fought tyranny and created a foundation of what would later be a powerhouse.

Now, this doesn't mean they were actually fantastic individuals by today's standards. In one breath they claim all men are created equal, yet conveniently choose NOT to address slavery, and most of them hypocritically owned some (yes, including George Washington)... some even slept with their slaves and had illegitimate children. I could go on and on about the abominable things some of our presidents and founding fathers have done, but it doesn't take away from what they helped create, that being, "the beacon of light on a hill" as Reagan would put it.
 
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If I were a war hero and burned down your house when I got home, are you obliged to call me a war hero?
lol... I wouldn't make any mention of what you did in war. Why would I attack you for some arbitrary thing that has no relevance over why I'm upset with you... you burned my house down! lol
 
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lol... I wouldn't make any mention of what you did in war. Why would I attack you for some arbitrary thing that has no relevance over why I'm upset with you... you burned my house down! lol
Shame on you, R33, for burning Kim's house down! Bad Vet,... bad, bad, bad! Go to your room.
 
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What was it that McCain said specifically that caused Trump to blast McCain's service? I need some context.
My memory isn't so good to remember everything that everybody ever said word for word. He ridiculed Trump's supporters. The press keeps telling you what Trump said without reminding you what McCain said first. Do actually believe Donald Trump woke up one day and said, for no reason whatsoever, "I'm going to tell the world John McCain isn't a war hero"? Even the liberals concede that Donald is a counter puncher.
 
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Donald was simply making the point that a few slips of his tongue weren't going to derail his bid for the presidency. Take it at face value.
I did... You're actually agreeing with me. Nothing he does (or says) will derail his supporters for his bid as president of the United States. I'm not sure what is being taken out of context though... other than some unknown group of people that think Trump would really shoot someone (I'm not part of that crowd).
 
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lol... I wouldn't make any mention of what you did in war. Why would I attack you for some arbitrary thing that has no relevance over why I'm upset with you... you burned my house down! lol
Let me put it this way: If I was a war hero, and then came home and burned down your house, what would you say to a reporter if they asked you if I was a war hero. I think that's what happened to Trump after his supporters were attacked by McCain. The reporters asked Trump if he thought McCain was a war hero. Trumps feelings were hurt so he said, "No." You appear to be an intelligent person. I think you can understand why Trump said what he said.
 
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My memory isn't so good to remember everything that everybody ever said word for word. He ridiculed Trump's supporters. The press keeps telling you what Trump said without reminding you what McCain said first. Do actually believe Donald Trump woke up one day and said, for no reason whatsoever, "I'm going to tell the world John McCain isn't a war hero"? Even the liberals concede that Donald is a counter puncher.
Of course not. Read my first post in this thread. I said Trump speaks emotionally and not pragmatically. I don't think Trump knew he was going to discredit McCain's war service until the second he thought of the attack and spewed it out.

I don't know if McCain even "attacked Trump or his supporters. Maybe the media did report on it, maybe they didn't. I just thought you knew as you were saying that is why he attacked his war credentials. Can you give me a summary of what McCain said about his supporters? Does any of it have relevance to what McCain did in war?
 
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Let me put it this way: If I was a war hero, and then came home and burned down your house, what would you say to a reporter if they asked you if I was a war hero. I think that's what happened to Trump after his supporters were attacked by McCain. The reporters asked Trump if he thought McCain was a war hero. Trumps feelings were hurt so he said, "No." You appear to be an intelligent person. I think you can understand why Trump said what he said.
I would say: Um... I'm not talking about what resurrection33 did in war. I'm talking about him burning my house down. Why not ask me a question pertaining to that instead?

It would be just as ridiculous as if they asked me, "So, do you like resurections33's hair style?" Even if I do, why would I talk about that when my house was just burned down? :p
 
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I did... You're actually agreeing with me. Nothing he does (or says) will derail his supporters for his bid as president of the United States. I'm not sure what is being taken out of context though... other than some unknown group of people that think Trump would really shoot someone (I'm not part of that crowd).
I believe what is happening is that Donald sometimes speaks carelessly, and the liberals use that to make it sound like he is "unfit to be president." Who is unfit to be president? The one who sells her soul by blessing same-sex marriage and deletes 30,000 emails, or someone who sometimes speaks carelessly?
 

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Of course not. Read my first post in this thread. I said Trump speaks emotionally and not pragmatically. I don't think Trump knew he was going to discredit McCain's war service until the second he thought of the attack and spewed it out.

I don't know if McCain even "attacked Trump or his supporters. Maybe the media did report on it, maybe they didn't. I just thought you knew as you were saying that is why he attacked his war credentials. Can you give me a summary of what McCain said about his supporters? Does any of it have relevance to what McCain did in war?

I just think leaning on something that happened 40 years ago is more of a crutch to prop up a failed political career that threw the American system under the bus in favor of globalism. He may have been a war hero 40 years ago but today he is a sellout.
 
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I believe what is happening is that Donald sometimes speaks carelessly, and the liberals use that to make it sound like he is "unfit to be president." Who is unfit to be president? The one who sells her soul by blessing same-sex marriage and deletes 30,000 emails, or someone who sometimes speaks carelessly?
Exactly. That is why in my first post I agreed with you and also added that Donald doesn't help the situation. He makes it exponentially worse. I also noted however, that while sometimes they take things out of context, often times they do get it spot on. There is just no justification for some of the things he says/does.