Suicide Unpardonable ? or RCC Nonsense?
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RCC nonsense.
1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
When Jesus died on the Cross His Blood washed everyone clean of ALL their sins.
If a person kills himself, this sin has already been forgiven.
No you will not end up in Hell like the Corrupted Catholic Church teaches. But there is a good chance you might lose some of your Rewards in Heaven.
1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
When Jesus died on the Cross His Blood washed everyone clean of ALL their sins.
If a person kills himself, this sin has already been forgiven.
No you will not end up in Hell like the Corrupted Catholic Church teaches. But there is a good chance you might lose some of your Rewards in Heaven.
I do not view suicide as murder. Murder has the element of hate involved, so if someone kills themselves, it would mean they hate themselves. I believe suicide is a result of a mental illness, not hatred.
Like G777 said, if you get sick and die, it's not a sin, and if you get mentally sick and end your life, it's not a sin.
Even if it WAS a sin, if a Christian sins, then dies, are they still "saved"? Of course. To believe otherwise is to try to put us back under the law of being "good enough", or in "good standing" when we die. We cannot be good enough for that... ever.
Like G777 said, if you get sick and die, it's not a sin, and if you get mentally sick and end your life, it's not a sin.
Even if it WAS a sin, if a Christian sins, then dies, are they still "saved"? Of course. To believe otherwise is to try to put us back under the law of being "good enough", or in "good standing" when we die. We cannot be good enough for that... ever.
This is from The 700 Club (Christian TV show hosted by Pat Robertson).
This woman shot herself in the center of her chest with a 44 magnum(!!!)...but before she did it she begged God to forgive her for what she was about to do, but she went to hell first anyway..
[video=youtube;UKY3Sii4a-U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKY3Sii4a-U[/video]
This woman shot herself in the center of her chest with a 44 magnum(!!!)...but before she did it she begged God to forgive her for what she was about to do, but she went to hell first anyway..
[video=youtube;UKY3Sii4a-U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKY3Sii4a-U[/video]
If you're not standing up and opposing the corrupt and un-christian doctrines and practices of the catholic church then you are defacto an ally of the false church of rome and thus an ally of deceivers.. You may as well be a catholic when you stand against those who oppose the evil of catholicism ...
Think about it.... If a person is begging for forgiveness do they really have trust in the Atonement that the LORD Jesus Christ secured for them on the cross? Or do they think they will not be forgiven if they do not put great effort into begging for it?
And secondly.... Be careful not to take such claims of going to hell as being infallible inspired and trustworthy accounts...
And secondly.... Be careful not to take such claims of going to hell as being infallible inspired and trustworthy accounts...
If a person is not with God.. If a person is not indwelled by the Holy Spirit then yes they are serving the prince of the air which is satan... One with God or they are with satan...
Ephesians 2:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
When it comes to God and not being with God the situation is 2 -dimensional indeed..
Ephesians 2:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
When it comes to God and not being with God the situation is 2 -dimensional indeed..
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Hard to believe anymore, but this is a BIBLE DISCUSSION forum, not a RCC bashing forum, a conspiracy theory forum, (and strangely enough this site has one of those too) or a debate useless things ad infiniti forum.
You're young. You're still adaptable. May I make a request directly to you? (And, of course I can and you can just as easily ignore the request.) How about becoming a part of the solution instead of continuing the problem? Most of your questions seem to be to see if you can get a tomato throwing contest going and then you walk away. You're 27 years old and I'm going to assume you do study the Bible sometimes. Surely you have questions about what you read. I still do. How about asking those instead of this kind of question?
And, please, take this in the spirit it is given. You're young. They keep saying you can't teach an old dog. I'm asking this of you specifically because you're not old.
You're young. You're still adaptable. May I make a request directly to you? (And, of course I can and you can just as easily ignore the request.) How about becoming a part of the solution instead of continuing the problem? Most of your questions seem to be to see if you can get a tomato throwing contest going and then you walk away. You're 27 years old and I'm going to assume you do study the Bible sometimes. Surely you have questions about what you read. I still do. How about asking those instead of this kind of question?
And, please, take this in the spirit it is given. You're young. They keep saying you can't teach an old dog. I'm asking this of you specifically because you're not old.
We are ALL members of the Catholic (the universal church) Church. The Roman Catholic Church began after 700 AD. Before that it was one of the independent groups of churches in the west. Another was the Celtic church which Patric belonged to which was a separate church from Rome.
There were many churches other than the Roman church. But the Roman church went more and more astray.
The reformers on the whole took the Universal church BACK to its beginnings.
There were many churches other than the Roman church. But the Roman church went more and more astray.
The reformers on the whole took the Universal church BACK to its beginnings.
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suicide is a difficult subject. However one thing of which we can be sure is that it is not a determinant for Hell.
If I throw myself on a bomb placed in a crowded place I commit suicide, and save the lives of many,
If my mind has gone and I commit suicide I am not aware of what I am doing.
One must certainly say that a Christian must not commit suicide, but God's mercy to individuals is not determined by that one act.
If I throw myself on a bomb placed in a crowded place I commit suicide, and save the lives of many,
If my mind has gone and I commit suicide I am not aware of what I am doing.
One must certainly say that a Christian must not commit suicide, but God's mercy to individuals is not determined by that one act.
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The judgement will be the same as it is now on earth. If you are accused of murder (taking life without God's permission) , and you plead insanity, that you were sick and therefore did not know what you were doing, and the judge agrees, you will be found innocent. But if you knew what you were doing, and recognized that it was wrong to do it, you will be found guilty. For "He who KNOWS the good he ought to do and does not do it sins." And there will be no need for evidence, for unlike our earthly judges, that God has put in place, when God Himself is our judge, He will know what your true intentions are.
And if your intention is murder of yourself or someone else whom you did not create, and therefore have no right to destroy, then you will be found guilty, and the bible says murderers and the like will not enter heaven, and not to be deceived by thinking that they will. The bible says that SOME of us WERE murderers (this would include Paul) but this is past-tense. You can't go to heaven saying you ARE a murderer and expect to get in, but it is possible to say you WERE a murderer, but changed and forgiven by Christ.
Moses was once depressed, and ASKED God to take him from this world, that he didn't want to live any longer. But he did not say he would take himself from this world because he just can't take the stress of living anymore. It is not for us to decide who should live and who should die- for we did not create a life and therefore have no right to take a life.
Now God put in place police, judges, and armies, and granted them the authority to take human life in certain circumstances- but in this case the authority to do so can be traced back to God. But if a off duty police officer decides to take the life of someone he's personally angry at- he had no permission from God to do so in that situation, and is therefore guilty of murder.
Can murder be forgiven? There is absolutely no sin that the power of Christ's blood cannot wash away (except grieving the Holy Spirit, Christ's blood is for those who want to be holy, not for those who want to be evil). But those who LIVE in sin are not covered by Christ's blood. Christ's blood is for those who want to obey God and are trying to stop sinning- not for those who are actively, presently, and purposely practicing evils- such as murder- which suicide is.
And if your intention is murder of yourself or someone else whom you did not create, and therefore have no right to destroy, then you will be found guilty, and the bible says murderers and the like will not enter heaven, and not to be deceived by thinking that they will. The bible says that SOME of us WERE murderers (this would include Paul) but this is past-tense. You can't go to heaven saying you ARE a murderer and expect to get in, but it is possible to say you WERE a murderer, but changed and forgiven by Christ.
Moses was once depressed, and ASKED God to take him from this world, that he didn't want to live any longer. But he did not say he would take himself from this world because he just can't take the stress of living anymore. It is not for us to decide who should live and who should die- for we did not create a life and therefore have no right to take a life.
Now God put in place police, judges, and armies, and granted them the authority to take human life in certain circumstances- but in this case the authority to do so can be traced back to God. But if a off duty police officer decides to take the life of someone he's personally angry at- he had no permission from God to do so in that situation, and is therefore guilty of murder.
Can murder be forgiven? There is absolutely no sin that the power of Christ's blood cannot wash away (except grieving the Holy Spirit, Christ's blood is for those who want to be holy, not for those who want to be evil). But those who LIVE in sin are not covered by Christ's blood. Christ's blood is for those who want to obey God and are trying to stop sinning- not for those who are actively, presently, and purposely practicing evils- such as murder- which suicide is.
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If you say so. The mental gymnastics you need to do in order to justify the things you say to others is really fascinating to watch. I can tell that you are going to be a source of a lot of entertainment for me during my time here. I hope though that eventually you'll learn to pose your own thoughts on matters instead of trying to beat people over the head with obscure scriptural verses taken wildly out of context, but I know that's asking for a lot, especially in today's age and with today's self-proclaimed Christians. A guy can hope though, right?