Trump: Out of Context

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jennymae

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Willie-T said:
Our enemies learn to play upon the weaknesses of each of our "leaders" as they have to deal with them. I think the trick is not to make those weaknesses such easy targets for them.
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I agree. Generally, the run for office is displaying a whole set of weaknesses regarding the candidates, the parties, the political system and society as a whole. We don't see much of that when the Russians are "campaigning", the only thing we get to know is that Putin "won":p
 
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Willie-T

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jennymae said:
I agree. Generally, the run for office is displaying a whole set of weaknesses regarding the candidates, the parties, the political system and society as a whole. We don't see much of that when the Russians are "campaigning", the only thing we get to know is that Putin "won":p
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This is smart.

During the Gulf war, I was so proud of General Swartzchof. He cared about the lives and safety of his men and women, and didn't let the media come "play solder" with them, thus giving instant access to the enemy of our tactics and positions. He didn't tell our adversaries, in advance, just what we were going to do... nor what we would not do.

Frankly Obama and most of this administration should be horse whipped for that kind of subversive pandering to ISIS and others.
 
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KimPetras

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resurrection33 said:
If you were running for president and some famous guy like John McCain started poking fun at the people who supported you, maybe you would have felt an obligation to defend your supporters.
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Nothing wrong with defending supporters, just not at the expense of prisoners of war.
 
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seed_time_harvest

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Trump DID correct the error,where he had mentioned seeing the nice looking plane In Iran with the cash flowing,so I thought that was a positive to his credit,where someone else may have seen It as a weakness.
 
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Voldemort

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Sirk said:
Bo Bergdal was a pow. Is he a war hero too?
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It's sort of moot. Bergdahl was a POW after he allegedly deserted his unit. McCain and most other POW's was/are imprisoned doing their duty.

If the allegations are true of Bergdahl's desertion, we could justifiably say: If it weren't for his desertion, he wouldn't have been a POW. Him being a war hero can be debated. However, if a solider became a POW by honorably following commands/protocol, I don't see a case to discredit him.

Donald Trump doesn't even really believe it. Yesterday he even endorsed him live on TV.
 
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Voldemort

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Tommy379 said:
Bo Bergdal can be better described as an idiot.
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It's a bit harsh to say really. From reports, he suffers psychologically. If his allegations are true of the misconduct in the military, in conjunction with his psychological disorder(s) which may have been magnified by his friend dying in combat, and with the heat he was getting for being a bit anti-social... I can have some compassion for him.

If I was in his shoes, I know I would like to think I'd stay the course and think rationally/pragmatically, but I've never had anyone try to kill me before... I can't judge someone fairly when I can't even relate a tiny bit to what it's like being in his situation.
 
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Voldemort said:
It's a bit harsh to say really. From reports, he suffers psychologically. If his allegations are true of the misconduct in the military, in conjunction with his psychological disorder(s) which may have been magnified by his friend dying in combat, and with the heat he was getting for being a bit anti-social... I can have some compassion for him.

If I was in his shoes, I know I would like to think I'd stay the course and think rationally/pragmatically, but I've never had anyone try to kill me before... I can't judge someone fairly when I can't even relate a tiny bit to what it's like being in his situation.
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I stand by what I stated.
 
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Mitspa

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KimPetras said:
Nothing wrong with defending supporters, just not at the expense of prisoners of war.
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John McCain has about used that POW card up ..there is some question about how he really acted as a POW
 
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Mitspa

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Voldemort said:
It's a bit harsh to say really. From reports, he suffers psychologically. If his allegations are true of the misconduct in the military, in conjunction with his psychological disorder(s) which may have been magnified by his friend dying in combat, and with the heat he was getting for being a bit anti-social... I can have some compassion for him.

If I was in his shoes, I know I would like to think I'd stay the course and think rationally/pragmatically, but I've never had anyone try to kill me before... I can't judge someone fairly when I can't even relate a tiny bit to what it's like being in his situation.
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You might want to do a little more research before you defend this guy too much ..it looks like his main purpose was to join the other side when he left ..and other died to rescue that guy.
 
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Voldemort

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Mitspa said:
John McCain has about used that POW card up ..there is some question about how he really acted as a POW
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This is the first I've heard about this. What are the "questions" of his actions as a POW?

As for using up the "POW card", McCain didn't "use" the card... Trump made a statement that McCain isn't a war hero... In fairness to Trump, he later conceded that McCain really is.
 
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Mitspa

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Voldemort said:
This is the first I've heard about this. What are the "questions" of his actions as a POW?

As for using up the "POW card", McCain didn't "use" the card... Trump made a statement that McCain isn't a war hero... In fairness to Trump, he later conceded that McCain really is.
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I think he said he likes the guys that don't get caught ..in a conversation where one of John McCain insults toward Trump was brought up. ..Ill try to find a article I read about some questions about his behavior in captivity, if I can find it?
 
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Voldemort

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Mitspa said:
You might want to do a little more research before you defend this guy too much ..it looks like his main purpose was to join the other side when he left ..and other died to rescue that guy.
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I don't mean to be "defending" him as much as I'm pointing out that there is a lot of things we don't know factually. As for the main purpose was to "join the other side", the court martial found no such evidence. This is just as irresponsible as accusing a police officer of wrongfully killing a Black man when the evidence points to a "clean shot" by the officer.

If I'm mistaken on this fact, I apologize. Was Bowe Berghdal found guilty of trying to join the other side by the court martial? What was the evidence?
 
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Voldemort

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Mitspa said:
I think he said he likes the guys that don't get caught ..in a conversation where one of John McCain insults toward Trump was brought up. ..Ill try to find a article I read about some questions about his behavior in captivity, if I can find it?
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By all means. If someone makes an accusation I would hope they could back it up with evidence.
 
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Mitspa

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The "documents" include an article McCain wrote for U.S. News & World Report in 1973, upon his release from prison camp. In the article, McCain admits that he--like many POWs--confessed to war crimes under physical and emotional duress. There's also a transcript of an interview POW McCain did for French television, a story about McCain that appeared in a Vietnamese newspaper, and an account of an interview of McCain by a Spanish psychiatrist.Now


now here is part of the rub..since McCain has been a senator he has tried to get POW records from Vietnam "classified" for some strange reason? No obvious reason except to make it harder for people to get info
 
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Mitspa

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Voldemort said:
I don't mean to be "defending" him as much as I'm pointing out that there is a lot of things we don't know factually. As for the main purpose was to "join the other side", the court martial found no such evidence. This is just as irresponsible as accusing a police officer of wrongfully killing a Black man when the evidence points to a "clean shot" by the officer.

If I'm mistaken on this fact, I apologize. Was Bowe Berghdal found guilty of trying to join the other side by the court martial? What was the evidence?
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The court records? You mean after Obama had pronounced him a hero and had a big muslim party at the whitehouse with his dad? Lets use a little common sense here..the guy clearly was pro-islam and he clearly left his post on his on his own accord..at the very least he was a deserter .
 
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Voldemort

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Mitspa said:
The "documents" include an article McCain wrote for U.S. News & World Report in 1973, upon his release from prison camp. In the article, McCain admits that he--like many POWs--confessed to war crimes under physical and emotional duress. There's also a transcript of an interview POW McCain did for French television, a story about McCain that appeared in a Vietnamese newspaper, and an account of an interview of McCain by a Spanish psychiatrist.Now


now here is part of the rub..since McCain has been a senator he has tried to get POW records from Vietnam "classified" for some strange reason? No obvious reason except to make it harder for people to get info
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Is there a link for this?
 
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