Dangers of Gender Neutral Bathrooms

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KimPetras

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What if a married woman does not want a man to see her urinating?
That is not a issue for you?
Then she should close the door to her stall or not go to the men's restroom? I don't urinate in front of men or women... I close the door to the room or to the stall.

It doesn't bother me if someone is in the room with me as I do my business, provided they aren't seeing me, taking pictures of me, getting off to the idea, etc...
 

JosephsDreams

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Can we agree that transgender is unnatural?
That God created man and woman, not gender neutral?
If that is the case, doesn't this whole gender neutral bathroom thing seem unnatural?
 

EmilyNats

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Look guys, obviously nobody is going to change their views here. She's alright with gender neutrality,and we're not. We've already tired our fingers and thumbs out enough from all the typing, maybe we should call it a day and move on to another topic.
 
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KimPetras

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Can we agree that transgender is unnatural?
That God created man and woman, not gender neutral?
If that is the case, doesn't this whole gender neutral bathroom thing seem unnatural?
I think birth defects, mental illness, etc... are by definition unnatural. They go against what nature intended. So I think we could agree on that.

If your reason for being against this is because "it's unnatural", I think you have a valid point, but it doesn't necessarily make it morally wrong.

If the premise is: This woman (from the OP) was violated because of this law, I say... check history, it's happened long before this law was made.
 

JosephsDreams

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Then she should close the door to her stall or not go to the men's restroom? I don't urinate in front of men or women... I close the door to the room or to the stall.
I know, but I mean the door accidentally opens, or she has to go so bad that she sits down before she closes the door. Or she hears the guy in the stall next to her on his cell phone and feels very uncomfortable.
 
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KimPetras

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Look guys, obviously nobody is going to change their views here. She's alright with gender neutral restrooms,and we're not. We've already tired our fingers and thumbs out enough from all the typing, maybe we should call it a day and move on to another topic.
Looking at the positive/common ground, we both agree with gender neutral restrooms in some capacity (unless your home has a male and female restroom).
 

JosephsDreams

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I think birth defects, mental illness, etc... are by definition unnatural. They go against what nature intended. So I think we could agree on that.

If your reason for being against this is because "it's unnatural", I think you have a valid point, but it doesn't necessarily make it morally wrong.

If the premise is: This woman (from the OP) was violated because of this law, I say... check history, it's happened long before this law was made.
But why open the door for more violations?
 

JosephsDreams

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I would be okay with a gender neutral restroom, as long as their is a men's only bath room and woman's only bath room in the facility also.
 
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KimPetras

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I know, but I mean the door accidentally opens, or she has to go so bad that she sits down before she closes the door. Or she hears the guy in the stall next to her on his cell phone and feels very uncomfortable.
If she has to go that badly, I doubt she'll even be paying attention to the manly voice in the background... she'll be hoping she makes it to the toilet in time.

If she feels uncomfortable... well, who doesn't when they eliminate waste ... be it the same or opposite gender (I suppose maybe some men don't really mind)??? But ultimately I'm okay with going in a room with other females if I can't hold it because it would be a bit unfair and unrealistic to require every public restroom to have an individual room to accommodate my being uncomfortable doing my business with other women.
 

EmilyNats

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Looking at the positive/common ground, we both agree with gender neutral restrooms in some capacity (unless your home has a male and female restroom).
Public restrooms and private restrooms are two totally different playing fields. At home you have mostly family and friends who you know visiting. In public you have no idea who is out there. The two aren't even comparable.
 

JosephsDreams

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I am going to sleep in my gender exclusive me only bed...
Good nigh and God bless.
 
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KimPetras

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Public restrooms and private restrooms are two totally different playing fields. At home you have mostly family and friends who you know visiting. In public you have no idea who is out there. The two aren't even comparable.
Well, they are comparable in the sense that they are gender neutral restrooms (for whatever reason). lol
 

cinder

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This is not my logic... whatsoever. I would challenge you to reply to any post I've made where I object to making it illegal for a person to "hang out in the women's room waiting for the opportunity".

My logic is this law doesn't put women at risk anymore than allowing private citizens to own guns puts people at risk of being murdered by criminals. Just as a criminal will still get his hands on guns, a criminal will still find a way to violate a woman. Furthermore, if we want to "protect women" shouldn't we protect young boys from perverted pedophiles that want to record them too? Hence, I made an 8 restroom proposal with age restrictions.

If we make it illegal for a person who identifies as the opposite gender they were born as, wouldn't we have to enforce this law? If your answer is "No, we don't have to enforce this law." then are we really going to stop anyone from violating women? lol If your answer is "Yes, we should prosecute anyone that goes to the opposite gendered restroom they were born with" then I guess we are suppose to hire restroom attendants who check everyone's genitals...?
My point is that we have gender specific restrooms in part to prevent men from hanging out in the women's room waiting to molest, photograph, rape, etc. women. They aren't allowed to be there and that has probably stopped some crimes from happening.

My Australian friend and I have had discussions about gun control, and he made the very good point that when Australia enacted gun control it did greatly cut down on gun deaths/murders. Not so much from hardened criminals, but from crimes of passion and other times where easily accessible guns provided a convenient way to "deal" with a problem. The basic principle (for guns or restrooms) being if it isn't as readily available and accessible a lot of people who may have a criminal idea or urge cross their mind will not stay with it long enough to act on it. That will prevent crimes and enhance security. As for protecting young boys from perverts, that's why a parent takes them to the restroom (and moms often take their young sons into the ladies room and no one says anything against it).
 

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Looking at the positive/common ground, we both agree with gender neutral restrooms in some capacity (unless your home has a male and female restroom).
So you actually DO believe in gender neutrality?
 

EmilyNats

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Well, they are comparable in the sense that they are gender neutral restrooms (for whatever reason). lol
That's like comparing a chihuahua with a wolf. They are comparable in that they are both canines and have similar physical characteristics. But really, they are two totally different species with different capabilities and temperaments and behaviours.
 
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KimPetras

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My point is that we have gender specific restrooms in part to prevent men from hanging out in the women's room waiting to molest, photograph, rape, etc. women. They aren't allowed to be there and that has probably stopped some crimes from happening.
Fair enough. What about young boys who are prey of pedophiles? Do you advocate for my 8 restroom age restricted proposal? This is in part to prevent men from hanging out in the men's room waiting to molest, photograph, rape, etc... little boys. They shouldn't be allowed in there and that will probably stop some crimes from happening.

My Australian friend and I have had discussions about gun control, and he made the very good point that when Australia enacted gun control it did greatly cut down on gun deaths/murders. Not so much from hardened criminals, but from crimes of passion and other times where easily accessible guns provided a convenient way to "deal" with a problem. The basic principle (for guns or restrooms) being if it isn't as readily available and accessible a lot of people who may have a criminal idea or urge cross their mind will not stay with it long enough to act on it. That will prevent crimes and enhance security. As for protecting young boys from perverts, that's why a parent takes them to the restroom (and moms often take their young sons into the ladies room and no one says anything against it).
This is a fair point. However, I wouldn't advocate for a gun ban in order to potentially save lives... If a person wants to murder a significant other, they will do so with a gun (if available) or an alternative way (with a knife or some other lethal object).
 

EmilyNats

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I gotta go to bed guys. Good night!
 
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KimPetras

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That's like comparing a chihuahua with a wolf. They are comparable in that they are both canines and have similar physical characteristics. But really, they are two totally different species with different capabilities and temperaments and behaviours.
So... they are comparable in that the are the same family (canidae). I was just trying to point out common ground. :p