My marriage is falling apart

[simplifiedtruth]

What about the six guys who end up with no woman?

May be a lack of men, or simply since the women are free to choose which husband they want to marry even tho they may already have a wife, they can choose the upright and godly man instead of having to marry lazy ass foolish men who are not worth 2 dead flies . So the unfavorable men would just have to blame themselves for their own unfavorableness. Just a thought.

 

[laura_charlotte]

Have you looked behind the word "one" in the NT ? Also God does not change. God allows polygamy and it is even commanded. He also told David, if you would have want more wives, I would have given you. (Btw he had a bunch).

Polygamy is totally biblical, there are no arguments to be made against it.

 

[laura_charlotte]

I know God is. And Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David and others in the bible. I know Jesus was born from a polygamist family.
I also know the law of God sanction it and regulates it, and even commands it if your brother dies and has not raised seed.
I also know polygamy has always been a custom biblically and that the bible does not condemn it or say it is a sin a single time. I know polygamy is also mentioned in prophecy when there comes a time where 7 women are gonna take hold of 1 man.

Could not be more true. With you on this 100%.

 

[Depleted]

Seems to me that Jesus is talking about divorce being allowed because of the hardness of hearts. Notice the word fornication is a different word used in the Greek than adultery later in the same sentence. We know a bill of divorcement is allowed in the law because of the sinful hearts of people would cause uncleanness in a person(which was not so at the beginning of creation). This uncleanness(Crookedness/unfavorableness) could not have been adultery since the sentence for adultery is death. If we look at the word fornication it means idolatry in a figuratively way which is why it is not the same word as adultery later in the sentence. This seems to be the same as what the law of God says. And we know Jesus did not come to change it or preach against it.

Now we must remember this sentence is an translation which would have a bias from the translator of that time and culture. If you ask me then Matthew 19:9 is basically saying this: If a man put away (Divorce) his wife, and it be not because of any (uncleanliness/crookedness/unchastity) in her(not a justified reason) , and (she) then go and marry another, commits adultery, and the man that shall marry her is also committing adultery.

Matthew 19:9

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication(Unchastity RSV version), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Deuteronomy 24:1

When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD:

In the case of 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 it says let not the wife depart from her husband, but if she (by her own will) depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. If the husband or wife is a believer and the other is not but pleased to dwell with each other then do not apart. But if the unbelieving part depart, let them depart. It seems to imply that if a woman departs she should remain unmarried or return, but if the husband departs from her then she is no longer in such bondage which seems to imply she is free to marry another (which the law also says in Exodus 21:10-11 since he is no longer providing for her which means she is free to go).

Exodus 21:10-11

if he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.11And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

1 Corinthians 7:10

And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

This is what I see the law and NT writings is talking about. My understanding is not the end all or be all but this seems to make sense to me.

If you witness an accident and people get hurt, do you start a bible argument then too? Cool your jets. Argue away, but get off a post of someone hurting. Plenty of room on this forum to argue senseless stuff, but this isn't that place.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

If you witness an accident and people get hurt, do you start a bible argument then too? Cool your jets. Argue away, but get off a post of someone hurting. Plenty of room on this forum to argue senseless stuff, but this isn't that place.

Funny you chose this post then, which is filled with biblical understanding of marriage/divorce and what to do in different circumstances. This post was more directed in giving the wisdom of the bible regarding it, which is why I included all this in the post.

 

[Tommy379]

Hey simplifiedtruth, i see you left out Mark 10:10-12

 

[simplifiedtruth]

Hey simplifiedtruth, i see you left out Mark 10:10-12

It is saying the same story as in Matthew(Matthew having more detail), You are also dealing with the pinsmanship of translators(Which is often a weaker translation than the original, and often biased according to the transslator).

 

[Tommy379]

So Mark is a liar?

 

[Tommy379]

Polygamy is totally biblical, there are no arguments to be made against it.

Will you be my wife #2?

 

[Utah]

Polygamy is totally biblical, there are no arguments to be made against it.

I promise, if polygamy ever existed in my marriage, arguments against it would be made and settled right quick. And that's as Biblical as it gets.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

So Mark is a liar?

No. Just sometimes you need to dig a little to come to the knowledge of the original translation and the understanding of it.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

I promise, if polygamy ever existed in my marriage, arguments against it would be made and settled right quick. And that's as Biblical as it gets.

In the world, people practice polygamy(free sex, many different partners), adultery and fornication all day long while being accepted for the most. People who marry, often practice serial polygamy by marrying and divorcing and marrying and divorcing having children with several women. It is sanctioned by the state and lawful, especially when the government and judicial systems can make a lot of $$$ from it. But that would be hard in a polygamous lifestyle wouldn't it ? Funny how the LGBTQ community is praised and sanctioned and accepted but the biblical polygamist marriage lifestyle is condemned(by the world).

 

[laura_charlotte]

In the world, people practice polygamy(free sex, many different partners), adultery and fornication all day long while being accepted for the most. People who marry, often practice serial polygamy by marrying and divorcing and marrying and divorcing having children with several women. It is sanctioned by the state and lawful, especially when the government and judicial systems can make a lot of $$$ from it. But that would be hard in a polygamous lifestyle wouldn't it ? Funny how the LGBTQ community is praised and sanctioned and accepted but the biblical polygamist marriage lifestyle is condemned(by the world).

This is unequivocally on point. It's insane the level of immorality in the world. Yet those adults who chose to enter into that biblically based practice are condemned like no other. I am so glad I'm a Christian, I know the word of God and I totally support those who enter into polygamy.

 

[Mooky]

Why did God allow polygamy / bigamy in the Bible?

 

[Tommy379]

No. Just sometimes you need to dig a little to come to the knowledge of the original translation and the understanding of it.

I don't know, sounds like you want the bible to read the way you want it to. I'll take it on face value. It say what it means and means what it says. I hold the bible as the word of God and hold it on its four corners. I add not nor take away. I bought my wife a parallel bible years ago. I think it was kjv, niv, amp, and something else. All four of them said the same thing. If Mark says Jesus stated "A man divorces his wife and marries another, he commits adultery and if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." I'll take Marks word for it, he was there. I don't read Greek, and certainly don't read Greek from 2000 years ago.
I find it interesting in Matthew 19 when the Pharisees asked Jesus about the laws of divorce. Jesus responded with a question "Have you not read?" I think this is very powerful. Read the bible and you will know whats up. The Pharisees tell Jesus that they were permitted to divorce for any reason. Jesus replied by saying Moses permitted this. Jesus didn't say God permitted this. He said Moses. I find this very interesting. I'm not going to write the whole ch 19 here, but Jesus is saying that this law about divorce came from Moses, not God.
As for polygamy, if the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't want a wife to be shared with 6 different dudes. I don't think my wife would be happy to share me with 6 other women all on me. Eww.

 

[Namiette]

I have been with my husband 10 years and this last December I found out he cheated on me, HE kicked me and the kids out of the house and we separated for 2 months we then decided to give it another shot but everything has been horrible since. It gets worse daily. He works out of town and on the weekends he turns of the phone and in the morning acts like I'm crazy and just pretends everything is ok. I'm really devestated when we decided to get back together I really thought he felt remorse and regret for destroying our family but it seems it's actually the opposite. I am so heart broken I don't know what else to do. I pray that God helps me because I can't take much more

I keep you in my prayers. I can imagine how do you feel. Remember, God can build a bridge where there is no way, so trust Him, He is with you. I believe He will show you the way and heal your heart. I also recommend to try to talk about it, communication is very important.

 

[resurrection33]

Seems to me that Jesus is talking about divorce being allowed because of the hardness of hearts. Notice the word fornication is a different word used in the Greek than adultery later in the same sentence. We know a bill of divorcement is allowed in the law because of the sinful hearts of people would cause uncleanness in a person(which was not so at the beginning of creation). This uncleanness(Crookedness/unfavorableness) could not have been adultery since the sentence for adultery is death. If we look at the word fornication it means idolatry in a figuratively way which is why it is not the same word as adultery later in the sentence. This seems to be the same as what the law of God says. And we know Jesus did not come to change it or preach against it.

Now we must remember this sentence is an translation which would have a bias from the translator of that time and culture. If you ask me then Matthew 19:9 is basically saying this: If a man put away (Divorce) his wife, and it be not because of any (uncleanliness/crookedness/unchastity) in her(not a justified reason) , and (she) then go and marry another, commits adultery, and the man that shall marry her is also committing adultery.

Matthew 19:9

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication(Unchastity RSV version), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Deuteronomy 24:1

When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD:

In the case of 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 it says let not the wife depart from her husband, but if she (by her own will) depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. If the husband or wife is a believer and the other is not but pleased to dwell with each other then do not apart. But if the unbelieving part depart, let them depart. It seems to imply that if a woman departs she should remain unmarried or return, but if the husband departs from her then she is no longer in such bondage which seems to imply she is free to marry another (which the law also says in Exodus 21:10-11 since he is no longer providing for her which means she is free to go).

Exodus 21:10-11

if he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.11And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

1 Corinthians 7:10

And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

This is what I see the law and NT writings is talking about. My understanding is not the end all or be all but this seems to make sense to me.

Is it humane to require a person, whose spouse has been unchaste, to remain married to that person? I don't think a person has a hard heart if they find themselves in this situation and want a divorce.

 

[Utah]

I am so glad I'm a Christian, I know the word of God and I totally support those who enter into polygamy.

I'd be good with polygamy as long as all my wives were mute.

 

[Depleted]

Funny you chose this post then, which is filled with biblical understanding of marriage/divorce and what to do in different circumstances. This post was more directed in giving the wisdom of the bible regarding it, which is why I included all this in the post.

Self-righteousness is NOT simplified truth.

I have been with my husband 10 years and this last December I found out he cheated on me, HE kicked me and the kids out of the house and we separated for 2 months we then decided to give it another shot but everything has been horrible since. It gets worse daily. He works out of town and on the weekends he turns of the phone and in the morning acts like I'm crazy and just pretends everything is ok. I'm really devastated when we decided to get back together I really thought he felt remorse and regret for destroying our family but it seems it's actually the opposite. I am so heart broken I don't know what else to do. I pray that God helps me because I can't take much more

She is devastated and you are talking polygamy. Get over yourself.

 

[Depleted]

I would put the jerk out on the curb.

My SIL literally threw out one of her guys. Past all eight steps onto the sidewalk. I'd be tempted.

Then again, I still don't know the whole story.