My marriage is falling apart

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Marriage is done by consummation. Basically if you have sex with someone (Who is not married), you are consummating the marriage. The father of the woman may dis-annul it if it is done without he's knowledge and approval and he utterly refuses it, but the man still has to pay the bride price to the father, which was 50 shekels of silver(todays value: 50 months of payed work).
Real Christians are dead to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Jesus Christ Himself. Romans 7:6
 
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Real Christians are dead to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Jesus Christ Himself. Romans 7:6
Unless you are of the seed of Israel you were not under the law which was given to them to begin with. But under the law of sin and death. Believers and followers of Christ are not under the law of sin and death(all) and the written ordinances of curses and adultery which was contrary to them(Israelites) because Christ has nailed it to the tree by He's death, thereby paving in the way for them(Israelite tribes) to be able to marry God again (Romans 7:1-6).
 
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Your old testament style went out of vogue with Jesus. Join us. You won't regret it :D
No it did not. Jesus warned against thinking that He would do that (Matthew 5:17-19). I don't want to be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. I will also not walk in disobedience and after my own will, the fleshly will. But I will honor Him and keep He's commandments contained in the law as He has commanded us to do in the NT.
 
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Unless you are of the seed of Israel you were not under the law which was given to them to begin with. But under the law of sin and death. Believers and followers of Christ are not under the law of sin and death(all) and the written ordinances of curses and adultery which was contrary to them(Israelites) because Christ has nailed it to the tree by He's death, thereby paving in the way for them(Israelite tribes) to be able to marry God again (Romans 7:1-6).
Real Christians have nothing to do with the Law now in any capacity because we are DEAD to it. People are not going to fall for this going back to the Law for any reason that Judaizers continually try to get Christians to do. It is anti-Christ beliefs.
 
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Real Christians have nothing to do with the Law now in any capacity because we are DEAD to it. People are not going to fall for this going back to the Law for any reason that Judaizers continually try to get Christians to do. It is anti-Christ beliefs.
You are supposed to be dead to the flesh which is the sin nature that is contrary to the law of God.
 
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No it did not. Jesus warned against thinking that He would do that (Matthew 5:17-19). I don't want to be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. I will also not walk in disobedience and after my own will, the fleshly will. But I will honor Him and keep He's commandments contained in the law as He has commanded us to do in the NT.
Jesus fulfilled all the Law so that we could be free from it's dominion. That's why you continually break the Law because you are trying to "obey" it.

Let's take the Sabbath - it someone does not rest on the Jewish day - you are to put them to death. Have you done that yet? ( Ex. 35:2 ) See - you continuously break the Law and yet maintain that you keep it.



You are NOT honoring the Lord Jesus Christ by your attempts to keep the Law. You are perverting the gospel of the grace of Christ by your attempts to keep the Law and are actually denying the Lord that bought you with His own blood.

Law-keepers have a very low opinion of the Law as can be seen by the way they water the Law down to make it seem to be "do-able".

Here are His commandments for us in the New Covenant and Jesus' life in us is what we live by now - no Law from Moses.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

 
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You are supposed to be dead to the flesh which is the sin nature that is contrary to the law of God.
Romans 7:4-6 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law
through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

[SUP]6 [/SUP] But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

 
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Jesus fulfilled all the Law so that we could be free from it's dominion. That's why you continually break the Law because you are trying to "obey" it.

Let's take the Sabbath - it someone does not rest on the Jewish day - you are to put them to death. Have you done that yet? ( Ex. 35:2 ) See - you continuously break the Law and yet maintain that you keep it.



You are NOT honoring the Lord Jesus Christ by your attempts to keep the Law. You are perverting the gospel of the grace of Christ by your attempts to keep the Law and are actually denying the Lord that bought you with His own blood.

Law-keepers have a very low opinion of the Law as can be seen by the way they water the Law down to make it seem to be "do-able".

Here are His commandments for us in the New Covenant and Jesus' life in us is what we live by now - no Law from Moses.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

I am not responsible for others actions and belief systems. I simply believe the bible, that way you cant go wrong.

Luke 24:44

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Galatians 3:13

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Deuteronomy 28

But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deuteronomy 30:15

See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:20That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Matthew 5:17

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled(Destruction of heaven and earth and the new creation).

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Deuteronomy 30:1

And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Romans 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death(deut 30:19). 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Shalom.
 
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Where did all these Judaizers come from? Don't give in to them for one hour - just like Paul didn't give in either when Judaizers came to try to bring the real Christians back to the Law for living including circumcision - which is a requirement of the Law.

Galatians 2:3-5 (NASB)
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But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.

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But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
 
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Where did all these Judaizers come from? Don't give in to them for one hour - just like Paul didn't give in either when Judaizers came to try to bring the real Christians back to the Law for living including circumcision - which is a requirement of the Law.

Galatians 2:3-5 (NASB)
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But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.

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But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
Tada:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

The Circumcision party!
 
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Tada:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

The Circumcision party!
"Law-keepers" - they are Judaizers that try to get Christians to go back to living by the Law of which circumcision is just one part. This is anti-Christ belief systems whether they are the circumcision party or anyone that tries to get believers to live by the Law of Moses. These are the very same people. - Judaizers.

Paul had harsh words for these types.

Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

 
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For everyone who is fine with polygamy, remember this:

Every day, you wake up at 6:00am in order to be at work by 8:30am; in between you're dealing with crying children, spilled milk, dirty kitty litter and commuter traffic. Your boss is thankless, mean and knows full well you're grossly underpaid for the hard work you do but doesn't care one bit.

At the end of the day you're physically exhausted, emotionally drained and once again fighting off commuter traffic. You walk in the door and your spouse is engaged in hot, steamy unadulterated copulation with someone else -- another spouse -- and you think you'll be fine with that? I'm calling cowturds right here and now. You're all full of nonsense. Polygamy; yeah right! Get a life!
 

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No it did not. Jesus warned against thinking that He would do that (Matthew 5:17-19). I don't want to be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. I will also not walk in disobedience and after my own will, the fleshly will. But I will honor Him and keep He's commandments contained in the law as He has commanded us to do in the NT.
Love is the fulfillment of the law. You add to what Jesus said and deny the new covenant made in His blood for the remission of sins? You have put yourself under a curse. For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, Why would you do that? You cannot even keep the law. You fail. Everyone fails in keeping the law, and if you fail in one part you fail in all. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. Why you eschew that for the lesser covenant I will likely never understand. The law has not passed away in one jot nor tittle because it will condemn you!

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man. 3 For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer. 4 Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law. 5 They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.” 6 But as it is, Christ[b] has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

8 For he finds fault with them when he says:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”


13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And
what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
 
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I have been with my husband 10 years and this last December I found out he cheated on me, HE kicked me and the kids out of the house and we separated for 2 months we then decided to give it another shot but everything has been horrible since. It gets worse daily. He works out of town and on the weekends he turns of the phone and in the morning acts like I'm crazy and just pretends everything is ok. I'm really devestated when we decided to get back together I really thought he felt remorse and regret for destroying our family but it seems it's actually the opposite. I am so heart broken I don't know what else to do. I pray that God helps me because I can't take much more

anyone remember the op who has not been back since post 1?

can't say I blame her

to the polygamist:

even unbelievers know better
 
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No it did not. Jesus warned against thinking that He would do that (Matthew 5:17-19). I don't want to be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. I will also not walk in disobedience and after my own will, the fleshly will. But I will honor Him and keep He's commandments contained in the law as He has commanded us to do in the NT.

Fantastic summary.
 
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Re: FIND A MARRIAGE COUNSELOR

Gee, I wonder why Erika didn't return after a day.
 
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Re: FIND A MARRIAGE COUNSELOR

Gee, I wonder why Erika didn't return after a day.
Weren't you the one who said she would obtain excellent advice here? Oh wait, maybe that was me. :p

So much for the excellent advice.