So what about the fourth commandment?

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Do I understand you correctly that you are telling us that the law of Moses was not inspired by God?
It's all from God ! but we need to differentiate which law GOD gave personally and which He only gave through Moses....because that 'difference makes all the difference which law was abolished and which law was not. Hope you understand.
 
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It's all from God ! but we need to differentiate which law GOD gave personally and which He only gave through Moses....because that 'difference makes all the difference which law was abolished and which law was not. Hope you understand.
God's Feast Days remain.
 
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Do you believe that the church has replaced Israel and is Spiritual Israel?

I think there has always been Israel pertaining to the outward flesh and a Spiritual Israel as an inward Jew. God has simply given them a new name that he named, called Christian...same bride

I think because God is no respecter of person and he informs us a new creatures we are no longer of the flesh we can understand what he says in so much the he puts no difference between a Jew and a gentile purifying the hearts of both by His work of faith. There are not two gospels, two brides of Christ the church.

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should “hear the word of the gospel”, and believe.And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put “no difference” between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

I think it is men who try place a difference as a form of pride.
 
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Christ Himself is the fulfillment of all things concerning the Law and feasts. Look at all things in the Law including all feasts through the finished work of Christ Himself. Look at the feasts, Sabbath days and the Law to see Jesus and His obedience to it. We are in Christ now - if we are true Christians.
 

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Moses didn't make up his own holy days. If you read Leviticus 23, you will see the Feast Days (appointed times) really belong to God Himself. They are His. He tells us plainly. God calls them His holy days. Perhaps you can argue with Him?
Agreed mike ! ALL Sabbaths are 'holy Lev 23, and what is holy belongs to God !
Afraid Christians do argue with God...they 'chat Him back and even deny His Word. No respect !
 
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Christ Himself is the fulfillment of all things concerning the Law and feasts. Look at all things in the Law including all feasts through the finished work of Christ Himself. Look at the feasts, Sabbath days and the Law to see Jesus and His obedience to it. We are in Christ now - if we are true Christians.
all the fancy theological talk is babble to make people feel better because they can't admit we were tricked.
the fact remains.
God purposefully declared His Holy Days.
You observe what you want to, but I will not give up the Sabbaths of YHVH.
 

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Not at all.

The law says rest on the sabbath.

The Christian does good works on the sabbath.

The Christian fulfills the law of the sabbath by doing good works 7 days a week.


(The Christian does good works not in order to get saved, but because they are saved.)
I agree with the 'good works....and because we are saved !

But we are to do more than 'rest on the Sabbath....we are to 'remember the Sabbath to keep it holy, and to 'assemble before God (to be instructed by HIM) Lev 23. It's a special time/appointment set aside for intimate communication with His own people who hold dear what is holy to God. Any other time you assemble before MEN from whom you HEAR 'about God 'secondhand !
I have already quoted Lev 10v10 once today !

If you are God's own like you say, you will be happy not only to DO what God says but 'go the extra mile ! Creation is 'ongoing and we are expected to move ahead with it-until we are perfect....the 7 days are not up yet !
 
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all the fancy theological talk is babble to make people feel better because they can't admit we were tricked.
the fact remains.
God purposefully declared His Holy Days.
You observe what you want to, but I will not give up the Sabbaths of YHVH.
I know that depending on Christ's finished work for living is all babble and it has always been offensive to the Jewish mindset - even for those that try to make themselves Jewish when in reality they are Gentiles.

Law-keepers continually leave out Christ and this is why their religion is anti-Christ even thought they have the "appearance" of being godly but in reality continually break the very Law they say they live by.

They have a very low respect for the Law by making is seem to be "do-able" but they do not keep the whole law at all and James says to break one law - is to break them all.

Paul said that in the last days people would be anti-Christ NOT anti-God. Law-keepers for living deny the work of the Lord Jesus Christ and are in fact anti-Christ despite "being for God". There is a massive difference.
 

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Replacement Theology, is heresy! There in lies the problem with this thread. God is not finished with Israel. That is crystal clear in the Word!

Additionally, it is impossible to have an accurate discussion on the law without the teachings of Christ and Paul.
 

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God's Feast Days remain.
No! That is legalism. If you keep one partof the law, Paul said, you are a debtor to keep the whole law. I thought this sounded familiar. We have this heresy in our town too.
 

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No! That is legalism. If you keep one partof the law, Paul said, you are a debtor to keep the whole law. I thought this sounded familiar. We have this heresy in our town too.
Personally, I freely admit that I can't keep the entire law. So what happens if I break one of the commandments, and are therefore guilty of breaking all of it? What then?
 
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No! That is legalism. If you keep one partof the law, Paul said, you are a debtor to keep the whole law. I thought this sounded familiar. We have this heresy in our town too.
Call it whatever you want. I will observe God's Sabbaths. (and enjoy doing it!!!)
 

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Personally, I freely admit that I can't keep the entire law. So what happens if I break one of the commandments, and are therefore guilty of breaking all of it? What then?
The cross...the only solution. Everything in the Law of God is forgivable by the blood of Jesus.

That's the difference in the laws. All the violations of Moses were atonened for with all the sacrifices
. Which were a looking ahead to the cross.

Jesus said that He would not eat the Passover again, (in the upper room)until we were all with Him at His coming.
 

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Call it whatever you want. I will observe God's Sabbaths. (and enjoy doing it!!!)
Enjoy your Sabbaths !

May God bless you!

But it is not a sin, to not perform the ritual, of not working on the Sabbath.
 

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The cross...the only solution. Everything in the Law of God is forgivable by the blood of Jesus.

That's the difference in the laws. All the violations of Moses were atonened for with all the sacrifices
. Which were a looking ahead to the cross.

Jesus said that He would not eat the Passover again, (in the upper room)until we were all with Him at His coming.
OK, so if I've accepted that atonement for sin through Jesus' sacrifice as my salvation, but I look to follow the Law with no intent of gaining favor from God, what happens when I break one of the laws? What happens?
 

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Personally, I freely admit that I can't keep the entire law. So what happens if I break one of the commandments, and are therefore guilty of breaking all of it? What then?
Then you are guilty of sin and cannot enter into His rest.