I Struggled for a while trying to work out how the Law and obedience can balance with faith and grace. It wasn't until i realised that it isn't about balance or that one was against the other. By faith in Jesus alone we are saved and this results in Love which results in obedience. The law is a delight because you love Jesus.
So what about the fourth commandment?
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odd. in one post, you just wiped out what the Messiah says is the most important commandment of all.
Maybe you need to read your Bible.
Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? Yeshua said unto him, Thou shalt love YHVH thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:36-37 (KJV, MBM)
Maybe you need to read your Bible.
Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? Yeshua said unto him, Thou shalt love YHVH thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:36-37 (KJV, MBM)
if you will study out the context, circumcision is a "sign" given to Abraham.
The "sign" of the Holy Spirit was given later to represent the same thing. It is a "sign" that says this person is a representative of God. It is also called "circumcision of the heart".
Again, if you study out the context, even that commandment is kept, but in a new way.
The "sign" of the Holy Spirit was given later to represent the same thing. It is a "sign" that says this person is a representative of God. It is also called "circumcision of the heart".
Again, if you study out the context, even that commandment is kept, but in a new way.
Do not let "law-keepers" make the grace of Christ of no effect in your lives.
Galatians 5:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Galatians 6:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
You are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness. You have died to the Law SO THAT you could be joined to another - Jesus Himself. His life and Spirit is what we live by now.
Galatians 5:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Galatians 6:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
You are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness. You have died to the Law SO THAT you could be joined to another - Jesus Himself. His life and Spirit is what we live by now.
I agree with the spiritual circumcision where the flesh is cut away from our inner man in Christ - also called the circumcision of the heart or of Christ. This is done by the Holy Spirit when we are sealed in Christ when we believe in Christ's work of complete salvation.
What is anti-Christ is telling gentiles that they need to be circumcised as to the requirements of the Law or do any of the Law for living. Real Christians have died to the Law SO THAT they could be joined to Christ now.
The real Christian has nothing to do with the Law now but to see that Jesus fulfilled it and that we are in Him. His life is how the true Christian lives now - not be "law-keeping".
What is anti-Christ is telling gentiles that they need to be circumcised as to the requirements of the Law or do any of the Law for living. Real Christians have died to the Law SO THAT they could be joined to Christ now.
The real Christian has nothing to do with the Law now but to see that Jesus fulfilled it and that we are in Him. His life is how the true Christian lives now - not be "law-keeping".
Real Christians do obey God in the New Covenant and His commandments are not burdensome as John says in 1 John 5:3.
John before that told us exactly what the commandments of God are in the New Covenant.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.
The purpose of the law was :
1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
The Law has already been fulfilled and the real Christian has died to the Law. Romans 7:1-6.
Law-keeping for living now is anti-Christ. Remember Paul said in the last days people would be anti-Christ - NOT anti-God. law keepers are all for God but in fact deny the work of the Lord Jesus Christ which is why this religion is anti-Christ in it's beliefs.
Come to Christ disciplemike and stop your own efforts to establish and maintain righteousness by your law-keeping. Read very carefully Romans 10:1-3
John before that told us exactly what the commandments of God are in the New Covenant.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.
The purpose of the law was :
1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
The Law has already been fulfilled and the real Christian has died to the Law. Romans 7:1-6.
Law-keeping for living now is anti-Christ. Remember Paul said in the last days people would be anti-Christ - NOT anti-God. law keepers are all for God but in fact deny the work of the Lord Jesus Christ which is why this religion is anti-Christ in it's beliefs.
Come to Christ disciplemike and stop your own efforts to establish and maintain righteousness by your law-keeping. Read very carefully Romans 10:1-3
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Quoting from the law is great! It's all part of God's word.
In this case, I quoted Paul quoting the law.
I believe you'd asked how we love ourselves. I think the answer is in this passage, we don't harm ourselves (unless we're insane).
Jesus showed his love for his neighbor by healing her on the sabbath. Healing is a work. The letter of the law says no work may be done on the Sabbath.
In this case, I quoted Paul quoting the law.
I believe you'd asked how we love ourselves. I think the answer is in this passage, we don't harm ourselves (unless we're insane).
Jesus showed his love for his neighbor by healing her on the sabbath. Healing is a work. The letter of the law says no work may be done on the Sabbath.
