So what about the fourth commandment?
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Hi Mike,
What are afraid of? It’s easy if a person is yoked with Christ. Just enter his rest by mixing faith, not experience (walking by sight) in what you hear.
The book of Hebrews is designed for the Judaizers that look to shadows and types used in parables hoping they are more than a signs that points to the eternal..
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Heb 4:1
Big difference in honoring shadows in respect to work that has been finished from the foundation of the world (6 days) and judging others that will not keep the promised rest which will be when we receive our new incorruptible bodies as if the time of reformation is still pending that Christ come in the flesh.
1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
What did the reformation restore as to a different time period , seeing the shadows did become the substance of the flesh of Christ in respect to the new government given in Corinthians 11?
The apostate Jews are still waiting for the flesh to restore some kind of order . What are you waiting for?
Will you obey the perfect law of God below?
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col 2:16
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Speak for yourself. Christians have a New day of rest we enter into called "today".
Bottom line. What is the New way of the Spirit if its not walking by faith, that not seen, rather than seen after our own experiences?
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by "faith", not by "sight")
Did God in the beginning desire that Adam and Eve walk by faith in respect the unseen voice of God that worked in them to to both will and do His god pleasure or did he want them to experience what it was like to be without the faith of God in them so they could obey the voice of another as words put in the mouth of a serpent who most likely stood up on two feet like man , seeing that lying spirit as the god of this world has no form of his own and cannot change from no form(that seen) into a form?
Hi Mike my man, let's see if we can come to some kind of agreement here...
we both agree that at creation, God rested on the seventh day, blessed it, and made it holy.
"God blessed the seventh day, and made it holy, because he rested in it from all his work of creation which he had done."
and I think we can agree that he rested from "all his work of creation".
and that Jesus worked on the sabbath, doing healings and teaching that good work was ok on the sabbath.
here's where we might diverge: Jesus did good works everyday of the week, evil works no day. So as far as working goes, Jesus made no difference concerning the sabbath.
good works, as in healing people, would be for everyday. working on Shabbat to pay for the iphone is not the same.
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UnderGrace
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so, we're still agreeing, here...
working for an iphone is never ok if the iphone is to gratify a person's lusts.
working at the job God has given you to buy an iphone because it's a required part of the ministry God has called you to, that would be ok on everyday of the week...
do we agree there?
(note: I can't think of a ministry that would require an iphone, but *if* it did)
I don't make the rules for Sabbath. Many people have tried to do that. God says no servile work on the Sabbath. It should be a day to honor God.
(I know, I know, people will say "We honor God every day". I'm sure.
I need to correct that.
In KJV, no "servile" work if for the other Sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath.
I don't want to attempt to define it just yet. However, the Hebrew word seems to be used often in the context of a servant or slave.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
In the end....does it come down to what 'man esteemes right or what GOD wants ? Shall we get into His Kingdom if we are not in agreement with Him ?
If one believes salvation depends on esteeming the correct day out of seven days, I suppose not. But Paul said such a one was fallen from grace.
Whichever way you put it GOD has already told us which day HE esteems !
As usual Paul is misunderstood, his aim was to 'follow Christ....who obeyed His Father.
What was Jesus' attitude toward the Sabbath?
"The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
Rom 14.1-6 is referring to fasting. Pharisees had two specific days for fasting. Paul is not saying God's Sabbath doesn't matter.
And your attitude seems to be that the sabbath is given to man to do with as he likes ?
Let's see what JESUS' CUSTOM was, what HE did with/on the Sabbath ? 'He went into the synagogue (church) on the Sabbath day and stood up for to read'.
Quite a ''diferent attitude to what christians show. The sabbath was made for us to help us DO the right thing ---IF you would understand Jesus' attitude !
Or do you think he is fickle like us to 'say one thing and 'do another ?