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It's strange but you know,there are doctors that advocate healthy eating, preventive medicine versus just prescribing pills.
However not everything can be managed by life style change...for example diabetes.
These bodies are not made to last forever, but one day God will return and give us ones that are meant to last for an eternity with Him.
However not everything can be managed by life style change...for example diabetes.
These bodies are not made to last forever, but one day God will return and give us ones that are meant to last for an eternity with Him.
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Yeah, high triglycerides is another one. I haven't eaten a lot of fat since I left home. I'd have to eat more fat some days to catch up with the food pyramid, yet poof! They go out of whack.
Goiter. I live in the Northeast. Fish is part of our diet naturally, yet, poof -- cyst start growing throughout my thyroid.
The four contributing characteristics for gallstone colic -- female, fertile, fat and forty. I certainly wasn't fat. So, what was my other choice? Sex change or kill myself at 39? lol
Goiter. I live in the Northeast. Fish is part of our diet naturally, yet, poof -- cyst start growing throughout my thyroid.
The four contributing characteristics for gallstone colic -- female, fertile, fat and forty. I certainly wasn't fat. So, what was my other choice? Sex change or kill myself at 39? lol
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I agree modern western medicine aside from surgeries to remove shrapnel, fix bones, or remove tumors/growths is mostly bs....
They put you maintenance medicines to make profit and never cure things like diabetes, or hypertension. Two diseases that can easily be cured for example with diabetes, if you genetically engineer a pancreatic beta cell to produce insulin again, you could eliminate the need for humalog and other "synthetic insulins".....I mean if they can block the aids virus from unharmed cells they sure as heck can re-engineer a pancreatic beta cell to reproduce insulin...but then the medical companies would go broke such as pharma, health insurance, hospitals (who need repeat visits to make money), so the cure is never released to keep the business ponzi scheme going....also if you are a natural/homeopathic doc and you proclaim a cure you are quickly denounced as a quack or worse, the pharma companies put a hit out on you.....in the last 5 years many natural docs have been killed for advocating cures for aids and other viruses.....all of them end up mysteriously dying usually in plane crashes....hmm.....
They put you maintenance medicines to make profit and never cure things like diabetes, or hypertension. Two diseases that can easily be cured for example with diabetes, if you genetically engineer a pancreatic beta cell to produce insulin again, you could eliminate the need for humalog and other "synthetic insulins".....I mean if they can block the aids virus from unharmed cells they sure as heck can re-engineer a pancreatic beta cell to reproduce insulin...but then the medical companies would go broke such as pharma, health insurance, hospitals (who need repeat visits to make money), so the cure is never released to keep the business ponzi scheme going....also if you are a natural/homeopathic doc and you proclaim a cure you are quickly denounced as a quack or worse, the pharma companies put a hit out on you.....in the last 5 years many natural docs have been killed for advocating cures for aids and other viruses.....all of them end up mysteriously dying usually in plane crashes....hmm.....
How are her thoughts on the subject ignorant? She is correct in saying that because of A&E's sin, that WE are born into corrupted bodies that won't last forever. She is also correct in saying that Jesus promises us new, eternal bodies. AND she is ALSO correct in saying that you DO (sometimes) come off as insulting in your posts.
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How are her thoughts on the subject ignorant? She is correct in saying that because of A&E's sin, that WE are born into corrupted bodies that won't last forever. She is also correct in saying that Jesus promises us new, eternal bodies. AND she is ALSO correct in saying that you DO (sometimes) come off as insulting in your posts.
However, Ariel is right in saying that b/c of the sin nature our bodies are like computers with a virus...sure it may still turn on and function but it's not functioning at it's optimum level b/c of the underlying virus (in humans known as sin nature/death). When Christ returns to give us a no-maintenance body we will have the same virtue/wholeness AandE had in the garden but lost via disobedience....we will have immaculate bodies that will be self-sustaining heck we may not even need to eat or drink b/c there is no need for the body to have it.....
Did they eat from the tree of life, or the tree of death? It seems to me they would have needed to eat from the tree of life before attaining to eternal life. It is what we must do. Otherwise we pass from death (following this life) to the second death, following the resurrection and judgement of all. Some call the second death hell, and talk as if those souls whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life also have eternal life. Nowhere does Scripture say we automatically have eternal life apart from faith in Jesus Christ. Not even Adam and Eve are said to have been made to live forever, so people saying that are pulling stuff out of their hats. Those who refuse to acknowledge the Lord for Who He is, creator, author and giver of life, He Who incarnated to walk this world as a mortal man and gave His human life that we may know His great love for us... those who blindly follow the god of this world to death, pass into the second death. However, the second death is the lake of fire according to Scripture, and they are gone for good after that. Lots of disagreement on that, I know. Like anything else that is written Eternal torment belongs to the devil, the beast, and the false prophet. The loving just and merciful God that I know has no need to torture and torment human beings forever after for their failure to seek Him out. Some even believe all will be restored. Scripture does say that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Christ as Lord. Won't that be a glorious moment?
Eternal torment belongs to the devil, the beast, and the false prophet. The loving just and merciful God that I know has no need to torture and torment human beings forever after for their failure to seek Him out. Some even believe all will be restored. Scripture does say that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Christ as Lord. Won't that be a glorious moment?
Here is her original comment. "These bodies are not made to last forever." I simply refuted that comment. It is untrue. It is patently false. So I called her out on it, and she chose to tell me I insulted her because I stated the truth. It is dangerous for her to be posting things here that may mislead other people. She is leading them astray in this area, much as a ignorant comment, or a sinful deed by a Christian may turn someone away from the message of Christ. We have a higher calling and responsibility to be a little more careful in what we say and do, and yet she is making these statements like they are fact.
And I ask her how much has she studied the bible's nutritional comments? How many books has she read on the subject?
How many times has she tried this diet so she can say that she knows it doesn't work? How often has she fasted?
She should at least be a little humble and say, hey maybe I need to investigate this. Maybe Joseph knows a little bit about this. No shame there. No one can know everything. I know when I am not well versed in a subject I keep quiet, listen, and learn. I can always fact check it later on.
But some people here just type on in blissful ignorance stating things they have not seriously meditated on.
Our bodies were made to last forever. They won't last in this form forever, because of our sin. But they were created to last forever under the right conditions. The bible states it.
Her original statement is incorrect, just like the type 1 diabetes statement, assuming that is what she meant. She never replied on that, so I am guessing she may have been referring to that.
As far as some other people posting on this thread, whose posts I don't read, if they are putting their 2 cents in regarding nutrition and diet, if you take there advice, your going doen a broken path. They are beyond clueless about this subject. I know this because I have seen their comments on this site. They are both sick, and seeing pics of her, she is obviously overweight and on a diet that can't sustain health. In fact it is a diet of death.
The proof is always in the pudding. People who eat and live like I do, and I know plenty of them, are not sick, not on meds, are active. We run and exercise, sleep well, can do just about anything we did in our mid thirties, and have blood test numbers that show us to be at the same numbers of most people in their thirties. Many of us are in our fifties and older. One of them is a man who is soon to be 87 and is healthier then most people in their late forties onward. Just a coincidence, right?
Now look at some of the posters here in their fifties or older. They are the walking dead, yet have the audacity to pontificate about how food is not this or that, or can't do this or that.
Yes, lately I have been more blunt then usual, because you guys are Christians and are missing the mark. If you practice your spiritual life and if your understanding about the spiritual is at the same dim level as what the bible says about lifestyle and diet, some of you are in serious trouble.
This is the one group that I talk to (and I have spoken publicly to many different groups over the years) who are the ones who should get it, yet your some of the dullest recipient's to this message I have witnessed. Many atheists and tree hugger's have a keener insight to this then most of you. Your lost in this area, and when I tell you the scientific truth, when I tell you the results of this, you are either ignoring me, or think I am lying, or don't believe your eyes.
It's insane.
And then you want to say I am being to blunt or insulting.
And I ask her how much has she studied the bible's nutritional comments? How many books has she read on the subject?
How many times has she tried this diet so she can say that she knows it doesn't work? How often has she fasted?
She should at least be a little humble and say, hey maybe I need to investigate this. Maybe Joseph knows a little bit about this. No shame there. No one can know everything. I know when I am not well versed in a subject I keep quiet, listen, and learn. I can always fact check it later on.
But some people here just type on in blissful ignorance stating things they have not seriously meditated on.
Our bodies were made to last forever. They won't last in this form forever, because of our sin. But they were created to last forever under the right conditions. The bible states it.
Her original statement is incorrect, just like the type 1 diabetes statement, assuming that is what she meant. She never replied on that, so I am guessing she may have been referring to that.
As far as some other people posting on this thread, whose posts I don't read, if they are putting their 2 cents in regarding nutrition and diet, if you take there advice, your going doen a broken path. They are beyond clueless about this subject. I know this because I have seen their comments on this site. They are both sick, and seeing pics of her, she is obviously overweight and on a diet that can't sustain health. In fact it is a diet of death.
The proof is always in the pudding. People who eat and live like I do, and I know plenty of them, are not sick, not on meds, are active. We run and exercise, sleep well, can do just about anything we did in our mid thirties, and have blood test numbers that show us to be at the same numbers of most people in their thirties. Many of us are in our fifties and older. One of them is a man who is soon to be 87 and is healthier then most people in their late forties onward. Just a coincidence, right?
Now look at some of the posters here in their fifties or older. They are the walking dead, yet have the audacity to pontificate about how food is not this or that, or can't do this or that.
Yes, lately I have been more blunt then usual, because you guys are Christians and are missing the mark. If you practice your spiritual life and if your understanding about the spiritual is at the same dim level as what the bible says about lifestyle and diet, some of you are in serious trouble.
This is the one group that I talk to (and I have spoken publicly to many different groups over the years) who are the ones who should get it, yet your some of the dullest recipient's to this message I have witnessed. Many atheists and tree hugger's have a keener insight to this then most of you. Your lost in this area, and when I tell you the scientific truth, when I tell you the results of this, you are either ignoring me, or think I am lying, or don't believe your eyes.
It's insane.
And then you want to say I am being to blunt or insulting.
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Did they eat from the tree of life, or the tree of death? It seems to me they would have needed to eat from the tree of life before attaining to eternal life. It is what we must do. Otherwise we pass from death (following this life) to the second death, following the resurrection and judgement of all. Some call the second death hell, and talk as if those souls whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life also have eternal life. Nowhere does Scripture say we automatically have eternal life apart from faith in Jesus Christ. Not even Adam and Eve are said to have been made to live forever, so people saying that are pulling stuff out of their hats. Those who refuse to acknowledge the Lord for Who He is, creator, author and giver of life, He Who incarnated to walk this world as a mortal man and gave His human life that we may know His great love for us... those who blindly follow the god of this world to death, pass into the second death. However, the second death is the lake of fire according to Scripture, and they are gone for good after that. Lots of disagreement on that, I know. Like anything else that is written Eternal torment belongs to the devil, the beast, and the false prophet. The loving just and merciful God that I know has no need to torture and torment human beings forever after for their failure to seek Him out. Some even believe all will be restored. Scripture does say that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Christ as Lord. Won't that be a glorious moment?
Eternal torment belongs to the devil, the beast, and the false prophet. The loving just and merciful God that I know has no need to torture and torment human beings forever after for their failure to seek Him out. Some even believe all will be restored. Scripture does say that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Christ as Lord. Won't that be a glorious moment?
Sin is death. If our bodies were not meant to last forever, then why did God say if you eat of this fruit you will surly die. It is obvious that he was implying that Adam and Eve, and all their descendants would live forever if they did not eat from that tree.
Jesus would not have been needed as a sacrifice if they had never sinned. It wasn't just humanity and this world that was thrown into decay, it was the whole universe.
Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world. He is the tree of life. He is the true vine, and we are the branches. In Him we live and move and have our being. He holds the keys of life and death. Either Adam and Eve ate of the tree of life or they did not. We are not told that they did. Given that it was barred from them after they ate from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil, it seems reasonable to assume that they did not. In fact, it is commonly held that they were barred from eating from the tree of life so they could not then live forever in their sinful state. We are told they ate from the tree that would surely cause them to die. That does not necessarily mean they would have lived forever had they not. It seems pretty clear to me they would have needed to eat from the tree of life to live forever after, just as we must, and as we can see, we are not told that they did. They then were prevented from doing so. That is a common jump people make, though, to say they would have lived forever regardless. It doesn't really make any sense to me for people to say it, though lots of people do.
It is a disagreement which there is not a clear answer. Could it be that the tree of life was the earth itself as the garden was and the earths atmosphere, and oxygen levels? Could it be the tree of life was Jesus Christ Himself, and that while we were sinless He sustained us in a way we can't understand?
Obviously I believe that whatever it was, however it worked, we were created to live forever.
Why? Here is why. Please tell me why you may think my conclusions wrong. They may be, but I doubt it. But if you think so, then I am always willing to listen with a neutral ear.
Why do our cells replicate, and even scientists have concluded they the cycle of cell growth death and replacement should be endless?
Why if one part of the equation been proven, the dietary aspect of it, do we conclude that the other things God said regarding our immortal physical life's are untrue?
The element of higher oxygen levels and atmospheric pressure back then is more a less a scientific given, having been supported by experiments in hyperbaric chambers, and in green houses with them and adjusted atmosphere levels with human and plants.
There was a firmament around the earth back then. That is just a way of saying that a icy ring was around the planet. It protected from x-rays and other harmful rays from space. We not longer have that. Maybe its possible that in the perfect bodies God created us in and in the perfect living environment it was protecting us? There is a lot of scientific evidence we are being bombarded now by these x-rays.
Do you think God creates anything in imperfection? He created us to live forever in that environment.
Do you know that the earth was probably vibrating at a different frequency back then? Did you know that science has invented instruments which can level off the vibrational frequencies of our bodies organs and bring thme into better balance and this helps people operate on a daily physical level better and heal faster. Could it be the tree of life was somehow connected to that?
There are many people who can extraordinary physical feats, impossible for most of us. Is it possible we are but a physical (and mental) shadow of what we once were
Obviously I believe that whatever it was, however it worked, we were created to live forever.
Why? Here is why. Please tell me why you may think my conclusions wrong. They may be, but I doubt it. But if you think so, then I am always willing to listen with a neutral ear.
Why do our cells replicate, and even scientists have concluded they the cycle of cell growth death and replacement should be endless?
Why if one part of the equation been proven, the dietary aspect of it, do we conclude that the other things God said regarding our immortal physical life's are untrue?
The element of higher oxygen levels and atmospheric pressure back then is more a less a scientific given, having been supported by experiments in hyperbaric chambers, and in green houses with them and adjusted atmosphere levels with human and plants.
There was a firmament around the earth back then. That is just a way of saying that a icy ring was around the planet. It protected from x-rays and other harmful rays from space. We not longer have that. Maybe its possible that in the perfect bodies God created us in and in the perfect living environment it was protecting us? There is a lot of scientific evidence we are being bombarded now by these x-rays.
Do you think God creates anything in imperfection? He created us to live forever in that environment.
Do you know that the earth was probably vibrating at a different frequency back then? Did you know that science has invented instruments which can level off the vibrational frequencies of our bodies organs and bring thme into better balance and this helps people operate on a daily physical level better and heal faster. Could it be the tree of life was somehow connected to that?
There are many people who can extraordinary physical feats, impossible for most of us. Is it possible we are but a physical (and mental) shadow of what we once were
Adam was not perfect or we would not have needed the perfection of the second Adam in Jesus Christ. Adam sinned. Jesus was tempted in all points just as we are yet He did not sin. We were made to find our life in Jesus Christ. Aside from Him, all will perish. There is no life outside of Him. Scripture is pretty clear on that point. Saying they were in Christ already does not make sense, either. The first prophesy regarding Christ was given after they disobeyed. Were we created to live with God, giving glory to Him? Absolutely. Will we be rewarded with life after after for laying down our opposition in the flesh to Him? Yes. Scripture attests to these facts. The outcome of faith in Christ is life ever after. We are told that we pass from death to life through Christ. Our names are written in the Lamb's book of life because we believe on Him.
Adam was made in perfection by the our perfect. He doesn't make anything less then that, or He would not be the God we know. The earths magnetic poles and the gravity is perfect for human life, as is where we are from the sun. To say God creates imperfectly is not consistent with our God.
God created us with free will. I would not call that a imperfection. We were physically perfect, perfect as God defines it.
We can get into a whole discussion about if Jesus was "plan B" or not, but that is pointless. God does not view time and events the same way we do anyway.
Suffice to say, we were created, and placed in this pristine environment that God created for us to live forever.
If we had not sinned, why would Jesus need to have come in the form of man and die a horrible death for us?
The bible makes clear sin entered the world through mans actions, because of our free will, and that event is what caused the reason for Jesus's coming. I don't know anyone who would disagree with that.
If you want to say that Jesus was with us in some way or form in the Garden I agree, but again, that is not the point of all this.
I know you replied to my post in a different manner then I asked, which is fine.
Now that I replied to you directly with what you typed, can you please reply directly to the reasons I supplied about why I believe the bible supports man living being immortal by Gods "original" plan for us.
God created us with free will. I would not call that a imperfection. We were physically perfect, perfect as God defines it.
We can get into a whole discussion about if Jesus was "plan B" or not, but that is pointless. God does not view time and events the same way we do anyway.
Suffice to say, we were created, and placed in this pristine environment that God created for us to live forever.
If we had not sinned, why would Jesus need to have come in the form of man and die a horrible death for us?
The bible makes clear sin entered the world through mans actions, because of our free will, and that event is what caused the reason for Jesus's coming. I don't know anyone who would disagree with that.
If you want to say that Jesus was with us in some way or form in the Garden I agree, but again, that is not the point of all this.
I know you replied to my post in a different manner then I asked, which is fine.
Now that I replied to you directly with what you typed, can you please reply directly to the reasons I supplied about why I believe the bible supports man living being immortal by Gods "original" plan for us.