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MadParrotWoman

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For getting rid of re-occurring JW's knocking on my door? They even remembered something I said from 6 months ago!!! Must have smelt blood I recon.

I know they don't believe in:
1. Blood transfusions
2. Celebrating birthdays and Christmas
3. Jesus is God
4. The trinity

Is there any more? I'm too polite (they are too!) and I can't be rude to them. Help!
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Hmmm.

When they came in Scotland, I went outside, closed my door and started talking to them, they didn't stay very long.
In Norway I once brought a bible that happened to be lying near the door. I opened and said "hi, I'm a Christian", at which point they turned and left. My father did something similar once, so that seems to work well.
 
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Miri

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Hand them the vac and duster, that should keep them away. :p
 
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MadParrotWoman said:
For getting rid of re-occurring JW's knocking on my door? They even remembered something I said from 6 months ago!!! Must have smelt blood I recon.

I know they don't believe in:
1. Blood transfusions
2. Celebrating birthdays and Christmas
3. Jesus is God
4. The trinity

Is there any more? I'm too polite (they are too!) and I can't be rude to them. Help!
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Tell them you're a devil worshipper, that you have dead bodies in your basement and that if they EVER knock on your door again, THEY will be your next victims.. lol.. It worked for me. :eek:
 
blue_ladybug

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Seriously though, just tell them that you have a different religion from theirs, and you're not going to convert, and you would like it if they could please stop bothering you. Or do what I do, and just don't answer the door. :) They'll get the hint after awhile. Or put a sign on your door that says "No Soliciting".
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Tell them you're a devil worshipper, that you have dead bodies in your basement and that if they EVER knock on your door again, THEY will be your next victims.. lol.. It worked for me. :eek:
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LOL I have a recipe for edible, totally realistic-looking fake blood... Adds to the effect. :rolleyes:
 
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Miri said:
Hand them the vac and duster, that should keep them away. :p
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They visited our house once while we still lived in TN, but i was at work, and my wife was in the yard pulling weeds. she said she told them she was busy, so if they wanted to talk, then needed to work -- and that they got down and pulled weeds with her -- to their credit!

she tells me that they asked her some questions, and said some things she wasn't sure about, so she told them she'd have to 'check with her husband about that'
i'm not sure why, but they never came back. she can be very blunt, so she may have frankly told them off without really meaning to. she's not nearby for me to ask while i'm writing this but maybe i can update later :)

but +1 for putting them to work. you shouldn't put your chores on hold for them.

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i never personally dealt with them at the house but once, and at the time they were canvassing the barrio inviting people to come to a convention center to hear some speaker upcoming. they weren't meaning to stay. they asked me my name, and one fellow remarked that it was Biblical -- and so i asked if they knew what it meant, and then proceeded to tell them - and to start telling them about the gospel of Christ's finished work through the meaning of my name. the older one started tugging the other's elbow at that time!
so i think maybe the best thing is to preach the gospel to them. shut their dialogue down, and take it over speaking of Christ, the real Christ, who literally bled and died and was raised for us -- because they believe it wasn't Him, but Michael the angel standing in for Him on the cross.

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see, they think they are 'sent' to you to bring you a message, but in reality, God has brought them to you so that they can hear the true gospel. tell them exactly that. this is what i told the LDS missionaries that were sent to me, and in fact they kept coming back -- longer than i think they were supposed to, because i told them much earlier that i rejected Joseph Smith, and every time we met i just kept preaching Christ, and telling them that they needed to hold their faith in Him even when their own 'prophets' and 'teachers' told them things contrary to what is in the Bible. what i hope the case is, and i pray for still, is that the Lord used me to plant a seed in them, to begin to open their eyes, and that they kept coming back to talk with me when their guidebook would have suggested that i was a dead-end evangelistically speaking and that no more time should be 'wasted' on me. i messed up the first time, i think, because i tried to argue doctrine with the first pair. even though they could not answer any of the holes i poked in the LDS theology, the day i made it celar that i rejected their prophets, they stopped coming back. that's not really what we want though -- we want to rescue these people from the lies they have been snared by.
the second pair, i made it clear that all i wanted to talk about was Jesus Christ, and kept talking about Him, praising Him and who He is and what He's done. and they kept coming back until their time in this part of the country was up and they had to return to Salt Lake.

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LDS missionaries are generally different, i hear, than JW's though. they are more likely to be young and relatively un-schooled in their own theology, and not so well read in the scriptures. i am told that JW's generally know the scripture very well, and know an hundred arguments specifically to try to use with evangelicals who are somewhat less grounded in their faith.
i don't think you should argue doctrine with them both for this reason, because it's likely that they have a lot of knowledge and 'plans of attack' to deal with all the most common objections already, and unless you are yourself very well prepared, you may wind up becoming addled and unable to refute them -- and second, more importantly, because i don't think anyone is ever converted to the true faith purely intellectually. i believe no one is converted except that God Himself works in a person to call them and cause their will & desire to be bent towards Him --so how can anyone come to faith in Christ unless it's Christ that is being preached? therefore arguing over fine points of doctrine and translations and history and who the 144,000 really is etc. is unlikely to be effective for much but argument for argument's sake. these are the things they will be prepared for, even though they will be preaching deception themselves -- it is crafty deception.

instead -- preach Christ. move the conversation to Christ. just keep praising Christ and proclaiming the good news of His salvation and His finished work, calling all who the Father has predestined and working in man to redeem Him. just keep preaching the truth, and be firm and steadfast in your faith. you may actually convert one -- because seriously, the Spirit of God lives in you, and if these people keep coming to you, it is because God knows you are ready to talk to them, and has a purpose for you to talk to them. perhaps that purpose is so that by the Spirit in you, proclaiming the true gospel, He will draw one of them to Himself -- or perhaps your words will serve to condemn them on the last day, because they will have heard the Truth and rejected it. Either way, it is you who have been sent, and they brought to you to hear the gospel -- not them who have been sent to bring you the truth. You are there to shine the true light of Christ.

i wouldn't welcome them into my home, nor wish them 'godspeed' -- because they are heretics. but i would preach Christ, unrelentingly, and let the truth either condemn them or draw them. avoid condemning them yourself: let the Truth do that, if they reject it. if you are really shining the light of the Word at them, they're either going to scurry away because they hate it, or ((hopefully!)) be converted!
 
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MadParrotWoman said:
For getting rid of re-occurring JW's knocking on my door? They even remembered something I said from 6 months ago!!! Must have smelt blood I recon.

I know they don't believe in:
1. Blood transfusions
2. Celebrating birthdays and Christmas
3. Jesus is God
4. The trinity

Is there any more? I'm too polite (they are too!) and I can't be rude to them. Help!
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Darlene actually invited some inside. She did most of the persuading on sound Christian principals instead of them explaining their strange beliefs. Mainly, they enjoyed her company for awhile and then they left. Personally, I wouldn't let them in the door.

I had a JW friend once. You are right in your outline about them. They have their own unique version of the bible that is slanted and claims that Jesus is a god but not God.

I gave this friend a New King James bible for Christmas one year. The Word of God is not returned void so if she didn't benefit from the bible someone else did.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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The problem I have is this; they know I'm a Christian and that I'm of no fixed denomination. I didn't know at the time I said this but it seemed to open floodgates. I told them I have no interest in becoming a JW and that they have their own Watchtower magazine so then they asked me which translation I read so I told them "lots of different ones", I know they have a certain translation they favour because it's easier to twist it to their way of thinking and I know they'll be back.

The thing is there are 2 of them and I know that the most knowledgeable get sent out on these "missions", they know scripture better than me so I can't outsmart them. Yes I should counter-witness to them but they will twist any scripture I quote and they will be able to quote chapter and verse on everything I can't.
 
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We typically think of LDS or JW missionaries coming to our door as a nuisance and our reaction is to try to figure out how to get rid of them. But i think this is the wrong attitude altogether.

But think ! -- these are people who are very interested in spiritual things, who are deceived. Here is your chance to evangelize, without having to do anything but answer the door. Here are people in desperate need of having their eyes opened to deception, who are already disposed to talk about spiritual things, who even want to talk about Christ ((though the Jesus they *think* they know is not the true Christ)) and are right there asking to have this conversation with us!

We should be praising God for Him sending such opportunity to us, for considering us worthy to represent Him to such people, and humbly thanking Him that He thinks us ready to do so!

When this happens to anyone reading this, please, get on your knees and pray for God to prepare you, and to put the right words in your mouth to speak boldly and truthfully. Keep praying this, and don't be worried or anxious, because you know He will give you the things to say at the right time. Trust God who has brought this thing about in your life!

They believe they have been sent by God to bring light to you, but the reality is that God has brought them to you in order to receive light! Keep this in mind, and praise God and His Son Jesus the Christ that He has sent to redeem sinners every time you talk to them. Don't even worry about their doctrines or what they want to try to *teach* you -- but let Christ be taught to them through your own lips!

This is not a nuisance; it's a blessing! Think of it this way, please -- so that you are thanking God for this in all ways, rather than 'complaining' to Him about what He has chosen to bring into your sphere of influence.

Tell them this! Flip the whole thing around on them :)
 
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Get a no soliciting sign and put it on your door. And write "no mormon missionaries or JW's please" on it..
 
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............... :eek: lol
 
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MadParrotWoman said:
The thing is there are 2 of them and I know that the most knowledgeable get sent out on these "missions", they know scripture better than me so I can't outsmart them. Yes I should counter-witness to them but they will twist any scripture I quote and they will be able to quote chapter and verse on everything I can't.
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Ooh! You want "backup" too?

Would that be possible for you? If you knew when they were coming? i would meet them with you :)

((but let me guess -- you're nowhere near western SC, are you, lol))

i want for you to not be anxious :(
But you are right, they will probably know scripture and *smell blood in the water* with you. What they are looking for is people who are are 'loosely' Christian, weak in their faith, not too knowledgeable about scripture, that they can try to convert with clever arguments. What you told them makes you sound like this to them, a prime candidate to deceive.

But o my dear, you don't have to be an expert in all kinds of theology to fuss with them over all these points! There is one point, and one point exactly: that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, God Himself become flesh, who died on the cross and was raised from the dead to redeem and save whoever will believe this. And every spirit that denies He came in the flesh is antichrist. ((1 John 2:22 and 2 John 1:7 says exactly this)).

Don't be afraid to tell them 'look, i'm not an expert in all this but i know who Jesus is, and i know that whatever other clever things you try to tell me, if you deny Jesus is God in the flesh who died and rose again, you are antichrist'
of course they will want to twist that -- but it really is that simple :)
 
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My Pastor has this approach:

He follows them around his neighborhood, and refutes their lies at every door they go to. After all he has just as much right, if not more, to go to his neighbors doors than they have.
They do not come around his neighborhood much anymore.
 
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posthuman said:
But think ! -- these are people who are very interested in spiritual things, who are deceived.
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Post, do please excuse me for cutting your post away to just this part. I have loved everything you have shared so far on this and many other topics throughout the forums, but I must say, that going door to door in the interest of promoting a religion is not necessarily being interested in Spiritual things.

Wow I have just been reading about them selling off their real estate holdings in Brooklyn, New York, where they have been headquartered for over a hundred years. They held a lot of prime real estate there near the water and arterial bridges, and have sold or are selling all of them, nearly forty properties altogether, some of them amazing buildings which have been very well looked after, and which kept the surrounding neighborhoods from total abandon and decay.
 
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Miri

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I know a great Christian lady she is 86 and knows the bible back to front, front to
back and any other way you can think of.

She regularly got JWs at the door invited them in and ran rings around them.
It got to the point where they were turning up at her door to ask her questions and explain
her beliefs.

Then one day one of the elders of leaders what ever they are called, turned up at her house and
asked her not to speak to any of them again as she was getting them all confused!

She basically told him where to go and said if any of the JWs came wanting to know anything
she would happily show them the true way.

Funnily enough she had no bother after that.
 
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JWs don't come to my house.

neither do mormons.

i think they have our placed marked. lol
 
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MadParrotWoman

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I feel really dumb for not being able to tackle them, I know being rude would do it but I don't have it in me to be rude. Thank you posthuman, I will use Jesus as you suggested and yeah for sure prayer would help - guess I need to start now lol.
 
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