Why the king james?

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Officermayo

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God's Telephone Game, maybe.
My take on it is this:

If God can create the universe and all that is in it, if He can part the Red Sea, if he can raise His Son from the dead, I don't think preserving His word is that hard a task.

Is anything too hard for the LORD?
 
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God's Telephone Game, maybe.
Not really. I think God's meaning of all the original words is still there. We just sometimes refuse to let ourselves be shown, in our hearts, the correct understanding of them.
 
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My take on it is this:

If God can create the universe and all that is in it, if He can part the Red Sea, if he can raise His Son from the dead, I don't think preserving His word is that hard a task. Is anything too hard for the LORD?
That's kind of what happened to my faith. God was a no-show for Auschwitz and His priests in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church are more interested in sex with little boys. God gives Tim Tebow touchdowns and He might manage to burn His face into some toast, but otherwise, He seems to be entirely indistinguishable from a god that doesn't exist at all.
 

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My take on it is this:

If God can create the universe and all that is in it, if He can part the Red Sea, if he can raise His Son from the dead, I don't think preserving His word is that hard a task.

Is anything too hard for the LORD?
Yep, God didn't panic when Moses broke His original ten commandments. What did God do? Preserved His words by making a copy. By the way, we should never put more emphasis on the originals that God does. God never said the originals would be preserved. Again, look to the example of Moses destroying the original ten.
 

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I'm banking on the promise that God made to preserve His pure words, plural, without any mixture or error. I believe God has fulfilled His promise in the English language in the KJV. Words are important to God, not just thoughts. He didn't promise to preserve His thoughts for us, but His words, plural.
What promise exactly?

We have His words preserved, NT is very well preserved. And that is what we need. We do not need every word in every OT book preserved.
 
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God makes things perfect through the imperfect hands of humans.

However, humans may have a different sense about what is perfect.


It is possible that for the Bible to be perfect that it must be able to serve the multiple purposes predefined by God but not humans.

Possible purposes;
- it must be a true account human witnessing
it is thus written by humans to record down what they received from God directly or indirectly. It is thus preserved by humans, that is, to canonize it then to keep it original.

The problem here is that humans are incapable of keeping anything original, especially in our chaotic world. We failed to keep the original NT Bible possibly due to Roman persecutions occurred during the first 3 centuries. This includes the burning and wiping out of Christian documents.

To deal with this imperfection of man, God left us with 2 independent sources, namely the KJV and NIV streams for us to reconcile to get to the same Canonical Scripture early Christians read.

In front of the court of Heaven what we have is a perfect and legitimate copy of God's Word. That's the perfection God demands from the imperfect hands of humans.

- it must be theological identical for the same message of salvation to convey today and 2000 years ago
God will not say a message differently today than what He said to humans 2000 years ago. That's why we can reconcile the OT contents by comparing the books with ancient scrolls called the dead sea scrolls. And we can compare KJV and NIV to get to the same message conveyed some 2000 years ago.


No other holy books of any other religions can be reconcilable this way.
 
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Yep, God didn't panic when Moses broke His original ten commandments. What did God do? Preserved His words by making a copy. By the way, we should never put more emphasis on the originals that God does. God never said the originals would be preserved. Again, look to the example of Moses destroying the original ten.
I see it as God promised to preserve His word - NOT the original manifestations of those words. Your point about the Ten Commandments in the Ark being a copy is an excellent point and one I'd never considered before. Thanks for that!
 
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I see it as God promised to preserve His word - NOT the original manifestations of those words. Your point about the Ten Commandments in the Ark being a copy is an excellent point and one I'd never considered before. Thanks for that!
Everyone is familiar with the Exodus 20 version of the Ten Commandments from Sunday school, or Catechism class, or possibly from reading them hanging on the courtroom wall when serving on jury duty. And many people know that Moses got angry at the Israelites for making a golden calf when he was up on Mt Horeb getting the first version of the Ten Commandments, so he threw the tablets on the ground in anger and broke them into pieces. And some people know that in Exodus 34 God had Moses make another pair of tablets so he could write the Ten Commandments on them again. But very few people know that this second version of the Ten Commandments is very different from the first one!
 
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Not really. I think God's meaning of all the original words is still there. We just sometimes refuse to let ourselves be shown, in our hearts, the correct understanding of them.
The first f Satan's lies was, Yeah, bath God said?".

Isn't it interesting that most people have complete faith in things other than the Bible such as their wifi, the breaks on their cars, and a myriad of other things that are man made and yet they dont comprehend the details of how they were created?

Anyone who doubts the ability of the translators of the KJV needs to research those men and the methods they employed in its making. It's too bad that most Bibles don't include the "Translators To The Reader". That is where they'd find that the translators themselves admit they aren't perfect.

The Translators to the Reader
 
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The first f Satan's lies was, Yeah, bath God said?".

Isn't it interesting that most people have complete faith in things other than the Bible such as their wifi, the breaks on their cars, and a myriad of other things that are man made and yet they dont comprehend the details of how they were created?

Anyone who doubts the ability of the translators of the KJV needs to research those men and the methods they employed in its making. It's too bad that most Bibles don't include the "Translators To The Reader". That is where they'd find that the translators themselves admit they aren't perfect.

The Translators to the Reader
Matthew 4:4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

If I am to live for God, I need every word that He has given me.
 
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Could you expound on that please?

Exodus 34


[1] And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest…
I. [14] For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God…
II. [17] Thou shalt make thee no molten gods. (Before it was graven images, but Aaron made a molten calf and skirted that law on a technicality).
III. [18] The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. (Christians do this all the time, right?)
IV. [21] Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
V. [22] And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end. (Christians do this all the time also, right?)
VI [23] Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
VII. [25] Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven;
VIII. [N]either shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
IX. [26] The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
X. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.
[27] And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
[28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Now the next time the Christians insist on posting the Ten Commandments in the public sphere, we know which one to use.
 
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Matthew 4:4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

If I am to live for God, I need every word that He has given me.
Rest assured, you got it!
 

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Exodus 34


[1] And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest…
I. [14] For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God…
II. [17] Thou shalt make thee no molten gods. (Before it was graven images, but Aaron made a molten calf and skirted that law on a technicality).
III. [18] The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. (Christians do this all the time, right?)
IV. [21] Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
V. [22] And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end. (Christians do this all the time also, right)
VI [23] Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
VII. [25] Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven;
VIII. [N]either shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
IX. [26] The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
X. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.
[27] And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
[28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Now the next time the Christians insist on posting the Ten Commandments in the public sphere, we know which one to use.
Where's the difference in what you posted in Exodus 34 and the originals that God wrote with His own finger? Does it not say, "I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest..."?
 
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Exodus 34


[1] And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest…
I. [14] For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God…
II. [17] Thou shalt make thee no molten gods. (Before it was graven images, but Aaron made a molten calf and skirted that law on a technicality).
III. [18] The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. (Christians do this all the time, right?)
IV. [21] Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
V. [22] And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end. (Christians do this all the time also, right?)
VI [23] Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
VII. [25] Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven;
VIII. [N]either shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
IX. [26] The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
X. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.
[27] And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
[28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Now the next time the Christians insist on posting the Ten Commandments in the public sphere, we know which one to use.
Easy, Girl. This Christian happens to think that EVERY incidence of the posting of the 10 Commandments should be removed... including in churches.
 
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Easy, Girl. This Christian happens to think that EVERY incidence of the posting of the 10 Commandments should be removed... including in churches.
Why is that?
 
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They reinforce the false notion that these are the requirements we have to follow to enter the kingdom.
I could understand that IF they were such.

The Christian life would be quite different if we jettison everything that's not a requirement of salvation, don't you think?
 
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Where's the difference in what you posted in Exodus 34 and the originals that God wrote with His own finger? Does it not say, "I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest..."?
There is a stereotype in my circles that Christians do not actually read the Bible, but just memorize those verses they are told to flip to by their pastor. I hope it is not true.