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I don't have a line, because that would be confidence in the flesh. Just ask God. He's faithful to answer. "Cast your burden on the LORD, and he will sustain you; he will never permit the righteous to be moved." That's his promise. 
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Or stop drinking once you can't walk the straight line (like cops make you do) lol ;P
The bible never encourages it, but rather always discourages, even to the point of saying that drunks won't inherit the kingdom of God. We are commanded in proverbs to get wisdom. Proverbs teaches in no uncertain terms, to completely abstain. The only real reference to leadership is in Timothy or Titus, and says not to be given to much wine. So it is a disqualifier. L if you're happy with a nominal christian life, then I guess take your liberty. However you will be directly effecting your usefulness. No thanks
Of course we are friends........this has nothing do do with that........just saying.
Me NO Southern Baptist.........just to be clear........don't think THEY would even allow me to be......
As well, the Southern Baptists (were I live) are habitual partakers of alcohol in great quantities! I still remember going to a SB Church one Sunday morning with a friend when I was 13. He wanted me to go, because after Church, we were gonna go to a State Park nearby and have a PicNic. When we got there......the men set up several tables, and the women began to load the tables with Fried Chicken, Mashed Tatters, Corn on the Cob, Biskits, and a bunch of other foods AND PIES!
The men went to the trunks of their cars, got out their lawn chairs and big ice chests.....inside the chests were dozens and dozens of Budweiser. The sat there and drank 'till all of 'em was drunk as a skunk, and all I could think of is "Who is gonna drive 'em home?" I ended up walking off (never got no pie) and walking the 3 miles home.
The comment you quoted is very true BTW. From the very first sip, alcohol begins to have a negative effect upon a persons motor skills as well as their mental alertness. That was my point. It did not FIT in the list of examples given.
As for drinking. I don't! If others do, that is between them and God. I firmly believe that not one positive thing ever came from the consumption of alcohol. 66 years and have not seen one example. Have had folks try to give examples, but they never stand up under scrutiny.
I drank for years. I am aware of EVERY EXCUSE there is to drink, 'cause I USED 'EM!
There's a million of 'em..........there is one excuse not to drink. Because it is the best way to avoid the temptations that alcohol consumption places before us.
Me NO Southern Baptist.........just to be clear........don't think THEY would even allow me to be......
As well, the Southern Baptists (were I live) are habitual partakers of alcohol in great quantities! I still remember going to a SB Church one Sunday morning with a friend when I was 13. He wanted me to go, because after Church, we were gonna go to a State Park nearby and have a PicNic. When we got there......the men set up several tables, and the women began to load the tables with Fried Chicken, Mashed Tatters, Corn on the Cob, Biskits, and a bunch of other foods AND PIES!
The men went to the trunks of their cars, got out their lawn chairs and big ice chests.....inside the chests were dozens and dozens of Budweiser. The sat there and drank 'till all of 'em was drunk as a skunk, and all I could think of is "Who is gonna drive 'em home?" I ended up walking off (never got no pie) and walking the 3 miles home.
The comment you quoted is very true BTW. From the very first sip, alcohol begins to have a negative effect upon a persons motor skills as well as their mental alertness. That was my point. It did not FIT in the list of examples given.
As for drinking. I don't! If others do, that is between them and God. I firmly believe that not one positive thing ever came from the consumption of alcohol. 66 years and have not seen one example. Have had folks try to give examples, but they never stand up under scrutiny.
I drank for years. I am aware of EVERY EXCUSE there is to drink, 'cause I USED 'EM!
There's a million of 'em..........there is one excuse not to drink. Because it is the best way to avoid the temptations that alcohol consumption places before us.
I went to a NASCAR race once. It was the first Winston Cup at the (at that time--new) Kansas Speedway. A lot of people there were drunk! I didn't know much about NASCAR at that time and my friend duped me into wearing a Jeff Gordon T-shirt. 75% of the people at that race were die hard Dale Earnhardt Jr. fans who did not like Jeff Gordon at all! I can't even repeat what I read on some of the bumper stickers on trucks in the parking lot! I did not think that I was going to make it out of that place alive after Jeff Gordon won the race! lol
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Interesting thread.
Everyone seems to be coming at it from their own personal angle.
Can I give you a different angle.
Personally I don't drink, although I don't have a problems with other Christians who like
to have a drink with a meal or the occasional drink at a social event etc. I wouldn't
condemn them although I hate to see any adults drinking around children - that really
disturbs me.
Being around people who are drinking also makes me feel uncomfortable
because I don't know, if they know their own limits.
One of my brothers was an alcoholic, he basically started drinking in his teens and never
stopped. I cannot even begin to tell you of all the difficulties this caused for everyone
who knew him and especially family. The arguments, him turning up drink at closing time
shouting and hammering on the door to be let in. The times he didn't make it home
and slept in the gutter somewhere. He also has asthma and I've lost count of the number
of times he had asthma attacks because he was so drunk he forgot his inhalers or lost them.
Once he fell over in the bathroom and smashed a wall mirror seriously harming himself.
Other family members had to force open the bathroom door.
Around 19 years ago he tried to commit suicide along with a drunken girlfriend, but they
were too drunk to do it properly and both lived. After that he tried again by himself sort
of a half hearted attempt. Then on a third occasion he came to our house to say goodbye that
he was going to do it properly this time and he just wanted to say sorry beforehand for all the
trouble.
We called the police who took him away and locked him up in a police cell for his own protection.
They let him out the next day once he had sobered up. He then went AWOL for a week and no one
knew where he was.
He eventually was found alive but then he cut all ties with the family.
Then about 12 years ago he resurfaced and was in a really bad way. He was living in a bedsit
which was in flats full of other alcoholics. No one worked. They use to draw unemployment benefit, drink
it, then the next day a different person would draw their benefit and they would all drink it.
A couple of my other brothers use to visit but even they could barely go over there, he had
dropped to 5 stone, had the DTs, hardly any hair left or teeth, was not eating, any money went on booze,
he was fitting etc. The place was a mess filthy, stinking. But even in that state he refused help of any sort
medical or otherwise.
Then it finally happened he fitted one day and fell into a coma and was taken to hospital.
They didn't hold much hope out for him, his body was shutting down, he had various skeletol
problems, his shoulder was crumbling, his organs failing.
He was in intensive care for 6 weeks in a coma, lots of prayer went up for him and a miracle happened.
He survived and when he eventually came around he no longer wanted to drink.
He moved into a rehab home but even there they didn't it think he would have long to live his organs
were so badly damaged. But praise God he gradually came through and grow stronger. He had
various surgery on different parts of his body and had a new shoulder joint and hip joint. His
teeth were fixed, his feet straightened etc.
He is still in this rehab place as he cannot live independently any more and there is certain damage
that is irreparable,
Most people on this thread have given an opinion about whether THEY should drink or not.
But people do not consider the effect it has on those around them.
As I say, I feel uncomfortable around people who are drinking as I'm not sure how far they will go.
Even one or two drinks loosens lips and changes people even if they do not think it does.
If people want to drink in moderation that's fine, but they also need to be sensative to others
around them and pick and choose where they drink.
Maybe the person sat next to you is an alcoholic and can't stop at just one or two. Are there
children present are you scaring them with your out of character exuberant behaviour. Are you sat
next to an ex alcoholic, or maybe the person next to you was abused my an abusive drunkard etc.
Everyone seems to be coming at it from their own personal angle.
Can I give you a different angle.
Personally I don't drink, although I don't have a problems with other Christians who like
to have a drink with a meal or the occasional drink at a social event etc. I wouldn't
condemn them although I hate to see any adults drinking around children - that really
disturbs me.
Being around people who are drinking also makes me feel uncomfortable
because I don't know, if they know their own limits.
One of my brothers was an alcoholic, he basically started drinking in his teens and never
stopped. I cannot even begin to tell you of all the difficulties this caused for everyone
who knew him and especially family. The arguments, him turning up drink at closing time
shouting and hammering on the door to be let in. The times he didn't make it home
and slept in the gutter somewhere. He also has asthma and I've lost count of the number
of times he had asthma attacks because he was so drunk he forgot his inhalers or lost them.
Once he fell over in the bathroom and smashed a wall mirror seriously harming himself.
Other family members had to force open the bathroom door.
Around 19 years ago he tried to commit suicide along with a drunken girlfriend, but they
were too drunk to do it properly and both lived. After that he tried again by himself sort
of a half hearted attempt. Then on a third occasion he came to our house to say goodbye that
he was going to do it properly this time and he just wanted to say sorry beforehand for all the
trouble.
We called the police who took him away and locked him up in a police cell for his own protection.
They let him out the next day once he had sobered up. He then went AWOL for a week and no one
knew where he was.
He eventually was found alive but then he cut all ties with the family.
Then about 12 years ago he resurfaced and was in a really bad way. He was living in a bedsit
which was in flats full of other alcoholics. No one worked. They use to draw unemployment benefit, drink
it, then the next day a different person would draw their benefit and they would all drink it.
A couple of my other brothers use to visit but even they could barely go over there, he had
dropped to 5 stone, had the DTs, hardly any hair left or teeth, was not eating, any money went on booze,
he was fitting etc. The place was a mess filthy, stinking. But even in that state he refused help of any sort
medical or otherwise.
Then it finally happened he fitted one day and fell into a coma and was taken to hospital.
They didn't hold much hope out for him, his body was shutting down, he had various skeletol
problems, his shoulder was crumbling, his organs failing.
He was in intensive care for 6 weeks in a coma, lots of prayer went up for him and a miracle happened.
He survived and when he eventually came around he no longer wanted to drink.
He moved into a rehab home but even there they didn't it think he would have long to live his organs
were so badly damaged. But praise God he gradually came through and grow stronger. He had
various surgery on different parts of his body and had a new shoulder joint and hip joint. His
teeth were fixed, his feet straightened etc.
He is still in this rehab place as he cannot live independently any more and there is certain damage
that is irreparable,
Most people on this thread have given an opinion about whether THEY should drink or not.
But people do not consider the effect it has on those around them.
As I say, I feel uncomfortable around people who are drinking as I'm not sure how far they will go.
Even one or two drinks loosens lips and changes people even if they do not think it does.
If people want to drink in moderation that's fine, but they also need to be sensative to others
around them and pick and choose where they drink.
Maybe the person sat next to you is an alcoholic and can't stop at just one or two. Are there
children present are you scaring them with your out of character exuberant behaviour. Are you sat
next to an ex alcoholic, or maybe the person next to you was abused my an abusive drunkard etc.
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Its where liberties are violated and it turns into sin. Feeding the flesh as the world does also ruins the testimony of believers. It makes others stumble who are not grown up in the faith. Clinging to things the world does also disqualifies one from serving. Its just bad all around to have one foot in the kingdom and one foot in the world!
So true. There are many who believe in a harm reduction model/approach as opposed to straight up all out abstinence, and in a sense harm reduction is required as a stop gap measure for those who are incapable of quitting cold turkey. But anyone with a real problem with mind and mood altering substances must at some point come to the realization that they cannot control that which they are powerless over, and they need help from a supernatural source. The final part of the opening preamble to most AA meetings ends by saying:
(a) That we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives.
(b) That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.
(c) That God could and would if He were sought.
When at the end of twenty four years of drug addiction and alcoholism, I cried out to God from the depths of my being for help, I did not even know for sure He existed, but within days I was clean and sober, and started working the steps of the program. Until then I had not really been able to acknowledge drugs and alcohol as a problem... because I liked them. It reminds me again of how when I knew I needed to quit smoking, my flesh hung on and hung on, and I eventually realized after a year and a half of telling people that I was trying to quit, that I was not trying to quit at all, but was instead trying to manage something I had for decades admitted I was powerless over. Seeing so clearly the insanity of that gave me the willingness to finally give it to God, and I was once again able to quit with His help.
(a) That we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives.
(b) That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.
(c) That God could and would if He were sought.
When at the end of twenty four years of drug addiction and alcoholism, I cried out to God from the depths of my being for help, I did not even know for sure He existed, but within days I was clean and sober, and started working the steps of the program. Until then I had not really been able to acknowledge drugs and alcohol as a problem... because I liked them. It reminds me again of how when I knew I needed to quit smoking, my flesh hung on and hung on, and I eventually realized after a year and a half of telling people that I was trying to quit, that I was not trying to quit at all, but was instead trying to manage something I had for decades admitted I was powerless over. Seeing so clearly the insanity of that gave me the willingness to finally give it to God, and I was once again able to quit with His help.
M
So true. There are many who believe in a harm reduction model/approach as opposed to straight up all out abstinence, and in a sense harm reduction is required as a stop gap measure for those who are incapable of quitting cold turkey. But anyone with a real problem with mind and mood altering substances must at some point come to the realization that they cannot control that which they are powerless over, and they need help from a supernatural source. The final part of the opening preamble to most AA meetings ends by saying:
(a) That we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives.
(b) That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.
(c) That God could and would if He were sought.
When at the end of twenty four years of drug addiction and alcoholism, I cried out to God from the depths of my being for help, I did not even know for sure He existed, but within days I was clean and sober, and started working the steps of the program. Until then I had not really been able to acknowledge drugs and alcohol as a problem... because I liked them. It reminds me again of how when I knew I needed to quit smoking, my flesh hung on and hung on, and I eventually realized after a year and a half of telling people that I was trying to quit, that I was not trying to quit at all, but was instead trying to manage something I had for decades admitted I was powerless over. Seeing so clearly the insanity of that gave me the willingness to finally give it to God, and I was once again able to quit with His help.
(a) That we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives.
(b) That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.
(c) That God could and would if He were sought.
When at the end of twenty four years of drug addiction and alcoholism, I cried out to God from the depths of my being for help, I did not even know for sure He existed, but within days I was clean and sober, and started working the steps of the program. Until then I had not really been able to acknowledge drugs and alcohol as a problem... because I liked them. It reminds me again of how when I knew I needed to quit smoking, my flesh hung on and hung on, and I eventually realized after a year and a half of telling people that I was trying to quit, that I was not trying to quit at all, but was instead trying to manage something I had for decades admitted I was powerless over. Seeing so clearly the insanity of that gave me the willingness to finally give it to God, and I was once again able to quit with His help.
Great testimony! I tried to Rep you but have to spread it around a bit. Please
could someone rep magenta.
I used to go bar hopping with my friends, getting so drunk i did know if i was coming or going. Long story short, i was stopped one night by a Police officer while totally smashed out of my skull.
I had just driven into the driveway of my parents house where i was living. After talking to me and my parents, the Police decided it would be better if i went inside to sleep it off. I was given a get out of jail free card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After that i stopped drinking, no more bar hopping for me!!!!!!! today ten years later i'm still sober. Not a drop has passed my lips because i know for a fact i cannot handle any Alcohol.
I had just driven into the driveway of my parents house where i was living. After talking to me and my parents, the Police decided it would be better if i went inside to sleep it off. I was given a get out of jail free card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After that i stopped drinking, no more bar hopping for me!!!!!!! today ten years later i'm still sober. Not a drop has passed my lips because i know for a fact i cannot handle any Alcohol.