Alcohol

[kaylagrl]

now we are all smoking weed...apparently

but nothing to say about actual FACTS?

from my post in response to YOUR post, #189


KAYLA


well, I don't think it's alcohol and that sounds like something repeated many times without the facts

people destroy homes and families and it is FAR from always alcohol




According to a recent survey of 191 CDFA professionals from across North America, the three leading causes of divorce are "basic incompatibility" (43%), "infidelity" (28%), and "money issues" (22%). "Emotional and/or physical abuse" lagged far behind (5.8%), and "parenting issues/arguments" and "addiction and/or alcoholism issues" received only .5% each. From August 1 to 29, 2013, 191 CDFA professionals from across North America responded to the question: "According to what your divorcing clients have told you, what is the main reason that most of them are getting (or have gotten) divorced?"

yes I know...5% is too much...

CHECK IT OUT HERE

it's just your basic sinful human being causes the destruction you are concerned about

it's not the demon rum...it's just the demons

OK?

Alcohol has destroyed more homes,more lives over the years and there is no need for it.


well, I don't think it's alcohol and that sounds like something repeated many times without the facts

people destroy homes and families and it is FAR from always alcohol




According to a recent survey of 191 CDFA professionals from across North America, the three leading causes of divorce are "basic incompatibility" (43%), "infidelity" (28%), and "money issues" (22%). "Emotional and/or physical abuse" lagged far behind (5.8%), and "parenting issues/arguments" and "addiction and/or alcoholism issues" received only .5% each. From August 1 to 29, 2013, 191 CDFA professionals from across North America responded to the question: "According to what your divorcing clients have told you, what is the main reason that most of them are getting (or have gotten) divorced?"

yes I know...5% is too much...

CHECK IT OUT HERE

it's just your basic sinful human being causes the destruction you are concerned about

it's not the demon rum...it's just the demons

OK?

The weed comment was not to you...

 

[kaylagrl]

legitimate reason

sounds good

If I had said otherwise I would have been jumped about those who have cancer and are seriously sick. So barring that I asked if it was right for Christians to smoke weed.

 

[LaurenTM]

The weed comment was not to you...

it's a public forum...I'm sure he'll get back to you...I expressed my own thoughts since it is a public forum...no problem there I would think

If I had said otherwise I would have been jumped about those who have cancer and are seriously sick. So barring that I asked if it was right for Christians to smoke wee

you would have been jumped?

how is it that you can express an opinion and it is not jumping

that's all that happened..

no drama

 

[lv2ski]

“Harlotry, wine, and new wine enslave the heart.
Hosea 4:11 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/hos.4.11.NKJV

 

[wolfwint]

75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol
Should Christians really totally abstain from alcoholic drinks? Or does God tell us we can drink moderately?

In the 1800’s and early 1900’s the church in America took a bold stand for total abstinence. People read research about the word "wine;" Bible studies showed the truth about alcohol. The result was Prohibition with its great benefits. But the prohibition amendment was repealed, and the church began to weaken its conviction against alcohol. Today some pastors say, "What’s wrong with a six pack? Why get hung up on a little wine at a wedding?"
The Bible is the same "yesterday, today, and forever." What godly Bible teachers said in the past is true today. Dr. Robert Teachout, A Semitic scholar who, in 1979, wrote his doctorate on The Use of Wine in the Old Testament, stated, "Alcohol is never approved by God in any amount for the obedient Christian."
Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, author of Wine in the Bible, 1989, says, Drinking Alcohol is...a moral issue. It is...a transgression of God’s law."
FACTS TO KNOW
1) The Bible does teach total abstinence from alcohol. Both the main Hebrew word for wine and the Greek word for wine can mean either fermented grape juice or intoxicating wine. The English word wine originally had two meanings also - unfermented juice or alcoholic drink.
2) In the Bible, verses to show God approves of wine are speaking about unfermented juice. Verses that expose the evils of wine are speaking about intoxicating wine.
3) The Bible says alcoholic drink is evil. It is not just the amount one drinks that makes drinking a sin. God condemns the drink itself. (Prov 20:1 KJV) Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
4) God does not lead us into evil; He delivers us from it. He does not teach us to practice evil in moderation. Jesus did not make, use, approve, commend, or tell us to use intoxicating wine.
5) God made man to have fellowship with Him. Alcohol goes directly to the brain, the communication center of the body. It interferes with God’s purpose for mankind.
75 WARNINGS
There is more Scripture condemning the use of alcoholic beverages than will be found on the subjects of lying, adultery, swearing, cheating, hypocrisy, pride, or even blasphemy.

1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.
2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality
3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.
4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.
5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.
6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.
8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.
9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.
10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree.
11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.
12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed.
13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated
14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.
15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.
16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.
17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.
18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.
19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.
20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty.
21) Proverbs 23:29-30 - Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.
22) Proverbs 23:31 - God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.
23) Proverbs 23:32 - Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.
24) Proverbs 23:33 - Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.
25) Proverbs 23:34 - Alcohol makes the drinker unstable
26) Proverbs 23:35 - Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming.
27) Proverb 31:4-5 - Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.
28) Proverbs 31:6-7 - Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today.
29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 - The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8)
30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 - A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.
31) Isaiah 5:11-12 - Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk.
32) Isaiah 5:22 - Woe to "champion" drinkers and "experts" at mixing drinks.
33) Isaiah 19:14 - Drunken men stagger in their vomit.
34) Isaiah 22:12-13 - The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them.
35) Isaiah 24:9 - Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges.
36) Isaiah 28:1 - God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim.
37) Isaiah 28:3 - Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.
38) Isaiah 28:7 - Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment.
39) Isaiah 28:8 - Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth.
40) Isaiah 56:9-12 - Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today.
41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 - The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.
42) Ezekiel 44:21 - Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine.
43) Daniel 1:5-17 - Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.
44) Daniel 5:1 - Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking.
45) Daniel 5:2-3 - The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple.
46) Daniel 5:4 - Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.
47) Daniel 5:23 - God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed.
48) Hosea 4:11 - Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.
49) Hosea 7:5 - God reproves princes for drinking.
50) Joel 1:5 - Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment.
51) Joel 3:3 - The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine.
52) Amos 2:8 - Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines.
53) Amos 2:12 - Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine.
54) Micah 2:11 - Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks.
55) Nahum 1:10 - The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God.
56) Habakkuk 2:5 - A man is betrayed by wine.
57) Habakkuk 2:15 - Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink.
58) Habakkuk 2:16 - Drinking leads to shame.
59) Matthew 24:48-51 - A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.
60) Luke 1:15 - John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.
61) Luke 12:45 - Christ warned against drunkenness.
62) Luke 21:34 - Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.
63) Romans 13:13 - Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.
64) Romans 14:21 - Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.
65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 - If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.
66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 - Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God
67) Galatians 5:21 - Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.
68) Ephesians 5:18 - In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.
69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 - Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness.
70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 - Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.
71) 1 Timothy 3:8 - Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.
72) 1 Timothy 3:11 - Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.
73) Titus 1:7-8 - An overseer is to be disciplined.
74) Titus 2:2-3 - The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.
75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 - The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.

75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol

I must say before i became a christian i drank to much, special in army time, so that i stopped drinking to much when i left the army. Later I became a christian and i drank only one glas wine, ore beer when go out with friends. later on bible college i met a class mate from canada. Her father was in this tim missionary in argentinia. And she told from the lot of missuse special under youngsters. And i decide to stopp drinking alcohol. Meanwhile I trink max. 5 times a year a glass of wine to a special event. At home, we have no alcohol. And I would prefer to say: dont drink!
But from the bible I cant prohibit! i am not defending to drink alcohol, but if we want to argue with people according what the word of god is saying we have to confess there is not a: its not alloud!

Romans 14,21 It is good neither to eat meat, nor to drink wine, nor anything by which your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak.

Epheser 5, 18 And be not drunk with wine, in which is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1. Tim 3, 3 Not given to wine, not violent, not greedy of money; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1. Tim 3,8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of dishonest gain;

1. Tim 5, 23 Drink no longer water only, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent illnesses.

Titus 1, 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self-willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, not violent, not given to dishonest gain;

Titus 2, 3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becomes holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

1. Peter 4, 3 For the time past of our life will suffice us to have done the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in licentiousness, lusts, excess of wine, reveling, carousing, and abominable idolatries:



In 6 verses it is a warning to drink to much wine, but there is nothing said that it is not alloud to drink wine!
In one vers you should not drink wine if your brother stumbles ore offended ore made weak. But it is no prohibition!
In one Vers Paul advises Timothy to drink wine as a medicine instead of drinking always water.

I think it is in our world better to drink no alcohol! My brother in law is an strong addicted alcoholic. But he is unwilling to search any help. He distroys his family and his life. If you try to talk about it he becomes very aggressive.

 

[lv2ski]

It seems that many here are more concerned about their personal liberty than that they might stumble someone else.

 

[John146]

I suspect a day will come when no one feels it's necessary to drink, but in the meantime, I don't think moderate drinking hurts anything.

All drunks started out as casual, one at a time drinkers. If you don't drink at all, you will never become a problem drinker.

 

[LaurenTM]

kaylagrl;2788946]Quote "I very clearly said I would NEVER drink an alcoholic anything in front of someone who disapproves."

In my second post I said what if someone had that issue and you did not know it you could be a stumbling block. I didnt mean you would do so on purpose.

no worries...I did not think you had done that...but I want to make clear, that I follow scripture with regards to NOT being a stumbling block...same with non believers....however I would not assume anything about someone...I'm not sure how you see things here...I don't hang out with strangers so why would I even have that possibility?

Before I go further let me say that we disagree but its not a personal thing. Im not saying Im a better person and it seems if I disagree with people they become my CC enemies. We're just discussing and having differences of opinion.

yeah..no problem..I agree with you alot...I don't think anyone here agrees 100% with anyone here...thanks..glad you said that

Now,you have misunderstood what I was saying. I did not say everyone who takes a drink becomes an alcoholic, or is one. Did not say that. I said if you never take a drink or alcohol you dont have to worry if you are predispositioned to be an alcoholic. I have no say in what is up or down, I only read the Bible and that tells us how to live. And yes the Bible does warn of the dangers of alcohol. Is there a difference in being drunk and being buzzed? I think the Bible warns either is wrong. Perhaps you know your limit,not all do.

I think I did understand what you said. you stated the possibility exists so therefore why would you even have one drink. I said, coming from a background with no predisposition why would I worry? see the difference? it's perspective ...I have no alcoholism in my family and no abuse...so why would I imagine there would be? we have a different experience and we make decisions based on that...not scripture alone.
since you asked, of course there is a difference between getting drunk and getting as you say a 'buzz'...you don't seem to understand that people have a different cultural background and see normality as giving a toast at wedding or having a glass of wine with a Christmas meal or whatever.
see, you state maybe I know my limit...that sounds like you think I drink until my limit...when I do not regularly have any beverage containing alcohol...you seem to have ideas in your head that associate with YOUR family and not what I am trying to say

Yes,my church was Pentecostal,not where I attend now, and it was Assemblies of God not Holiness Pentecostal if that was what you were thinking. People destroy homes yes, but we cant deny that alcohol itself has destroyed many homes also.{again Im not saying anyone who has a drink is an alcoholic}

if I would have thought holiness Pentecostal I would have said holiness Pentecostal...I said what I meant. I am pretty familar with the Assemblies...but I am not Pentecostal....

you know, you are not illustrating comparative facts with regards to alcohol abuse with the Huff. Post quotes...those are numbers...not statistics...about ONE thing...I showed you that in fact only about 5% of divorces are cause by alcohol abuse...adultery is a far greater cause and frankly that goes for Christians as well. Adultery is a far greater concern...as well as relationship failure...relationship failure between two Christians is illustrative of believers leaving Christ OUT of their marriage...I guess you would not disagree with that

the actual gripe I have with this thread, is folks saying the Bible says what it in fact does not say

and why introduce weed? the Bible does not even mention smoking anything that I am aware of...does it? I've not come across it...

alcohol is legal...so not hard to come by....so you would see more abuse just from that fact alone, which, IMO, indicates people will abuse what is available..so watch the pot numbers soar

I honestly just get peeved when folks go bananas...you didn't do that...or try to shut down other's opinions or even facts, because their PERSONAL experience is difference

you cannot filter the Bible through personal application other than between yourself and God which people seem to forget and yet they will say that soon enough when pressed (I mean everyone here)

I'd be content to end this here...add anything you want or not...I'll respond or not




From the Huffington Post:


1. 88,000 deaths are annually attributed to excessive alcohol use. (CDC)

2. Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This amounts to one death every 51 minutes. (CDC)

3. Long-term alcohol use can cause serious health complications affecting every organ in your body, including your brain. Additionally, it can damage your emotional stability, finances, career, impact your family, friends and the people you work with. (NCAAD)

4. Women who binge drink are more likely to have unprotected sex and multiple sex partners. These activities increase the risks of unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. (CDC)

5. 100,000 persons die each year from alcohol-related causes: drinking and driving crashes, other accidents, falls, fires, alcohol-related homicides and suicides. (NCAAD)

6. Excessive alcohol consumption increases aggression and, as a result, can increase the risk of physically assaulting another person. (CDC)

7. Of the 3.9 million Americans who received treatment for a substance abuse problem in 2005, 2.5 million of them were treated for alcohol use. (Drug Free World)

8. Approximately 17 percent of men and 8 percent of women will be dependent on alcohol in their lifetime. (NIAAA)

9. Because of the astounding 80,000 deaths that are related to alcohol abuse every year, alcohol abuse is the third highest cause of death in the U.S. (CDC)

10. 696,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are assaulted by another student who has been drinking. (NIAAA)

11. Approximately 7,000 children in the U.S. under the age of 16 take their first drink every day, which is a major problem because those who begin drinking before age 15 are four times more likely to develop alcoholism than those who begin at age 21. (Rehabs.com)

12. Excessive alcohol consumption cost the United States $223.5 billion in 2006. This amounts to about $1.90 per drink, or about $746 per person. (CDC)

13. Alcoholism includes the following four symptoms: craving, loss of control, physical dependence, and tolerance. (NCADD)

14. Teen alcohol use kills 4,700 people each year — that’s more than all illegal drugs combined. (MADD)

15. 5.3 million adults −- 36 percent of those under correctional supervision at the time -− were drinking at the time of their conviction offense. (NCADD)

 

[Magenta]

You're missing one, the last one should be STD, illegitimate child.

I think the STDs and illegitimate children would arrive much sooner than that

Perhaps between "I love everyone" and Crying out loud."

 

[Laish]

All drunks started out as casual, one at a time drinkers. If you don't drink at all, you will never become a problem drinker.

Not true in many cases. For me I drank to get drunk from the get go . I finished three tall beers my first time I was 9 at the time . Most alcoholics drink for effect not as a casual activity with friends. Alcohol was not the problem. It was my character and my separation from God . Alcohol is never the problem it is how we use it . I being a alcoholic have chosen not to drink if someone dose not have issues their is no problem with responsible drinking with friends an family.
Blessings
Bill

 

[Deidre]

I've been drunk before, and it's an awful feeling both physically and emotionally, the next day. I like to work out, and alcohol really hurts my workouts the next day. Dehydrates you, it's just not good for us, overall. From a faith perspective, I'm just not myself when drinking too much. A glass of wine, that's fine. But beyond a certain limit, and people are not themselves, and probably why we should be mindful to watch our intake.

 

[Laish]

It seems that many here are more concerned about their personal liberty than that they might stumble someone else.

I agree that someone that drinks should should refrain from drinking in front of a problem drinker or a person that recently stoped drinking . Now let's say that the problem drinker has been sober a while and has addressed most of the reasons he or she drank I believe if you drink responsibly in front of him it won't be a issue. At sometime time you are going to need to take off the training wheels .
Blessings
Bill

 

[Magenta]

I visit my daughter every week and am exposed to people drinking alcohol on a regular basis, not getting drunk usually, but it has happened, though normally it is more others having a drink or two with dinner. I do not have a problem with it. Alcohol has no draw for me, and I very much prefer being/staying sober. Even when I first got sober, being around drinkers drinking did not bother me. In fact I used to hang out in bars quite a bit because I was singing a lot of karaoke in those days. I did eventually stop doing even that, though.

One person used to say things like, if you have no business in the bar, you have no business being in the bar. Meaning, if you are not drinking, don't habituate. I was not very good at taking all the suggestions haha, but I did stay clean and sober for eight years plus three and a half months before relapsing the first time. I was not yet a Christian in those day either... I was very much a professionally practicing pagan

 

[JimmieD]

I suspect a day will come when no one feels it's necessary to drink, but in the meantime, I don't think moderate drinking hurts anything.

While I don't care if people drink alcohol or not (so long as nobody is harming anyone else), and I drink a little myself, it still might not be the most healthy thing one could do. And there is evidence that even moderate drinking increases cancer risk.

Alcohol and Cancer Risk Fact Sheet - National Cancer Institute

 

[kaylagrl]

it's a public forum...I'm sure he'll get back to you...I expressed my own thoughts since it is a public forum...no problem there I would think



you would have been jumped?

how is it that you can express an opinion and it is not jumping

that's all that happened..

no drama

You are looking for a fight no matter what I say. You said "now we are all smoking weed?" And to that I said the post was not directed at you. First you're offended when you think Im talking about you,now you're mad that I said the post wasn't directed at you. Either way you're going to pick a fight.

I would have been "corrected"by people saying how can you not have compassion for sick people who need medicinal weed.I would have been called on that comment so I said barring sick people who need it. I dont jump people. I never jumped you so I dont see why you are being so defensive.

 

[kaylagrl]

kaylagrl;2788946]Quote "I very clearly said I would NEVER drink an alcoholic anything in front of someone who disapproves."

In my second post I said what if someone had that issue and you did not know it you could be a stumbling block. I didnt mean you would do so on purpose.

no worries...I did not think you had done that...but I want to make clear, that I follow scripture with regards to NOT being a stumbling block...same with non believers....however I would not assume anything about someone...I'm not sure how you see things here...I don't hang out with strangers so why would I even have that possibility?

Before I go further let me say that we disagree but its not a personal thing. Im not saying Im a better person and it seems if I disagree with people they become my CC enemies. We're just discussing and having differences of opinion.

yeah..no problem..I agree with you alot...I don't think anyone here agrees 100% with anyone here...thanks..glad you said that

Now,you have misunderstood what I was saying. I did not say everyone who takes a drink becomes an alcoholic, or is one. Did not say that. I said if you never take a drink or alcohol you dont have to worry if you are predispositioned to be an alcoholic. I have no say in what is up or down, I only read the Bible and that tells us how to live. And yes the Bible does warn of the dangers of alcohol. Is there a difference in being drunk and being buzzed? I think the Bible warns either is wrong. Perhaps you know your limit,not all do.

I think I did understand what you said. you stated the possibility exists so therefore why would you even have one drink. I said, coming from a background with no predisposition why would I worry? see the difference? it's perspective ...I have no alcoholism in my family and no abuse...so why would I imagine there would be? we have a different experience and we make decisions based on that...not scripture alone.
since you asked, of course there is a difference between getting drunk and getting as you say a 'buzz'...you don't seem to understand that people have a different cultural background and see normality as giving a toast at wedding or having a glass of wine with a Christmas meal or whatever.
see, you state maybe I know my limit...that sounds like you think I drink until my limit...when I do not regularly have any beverage containing alcohol...you seem to have ideas in your head that associate with YOUR family and not what I am trying to say

Yes,my church was Pentecostal,not where I attend now, and it was Assemblies of God not Holiness Pentecostal if that was what you were thinking. People destroy homes yes, but we cant deny that alcohol itself has destroyed many homes also.{again Im not saying anyone who has a drink is an alcoholic}

if I would have thought holiness Pentecostal I would have said holiness Pentecostal...I said what I meant. I am pretty familar with the Assemblies...but I am not Pentecostal....

you know, you are not illustrating comparative facts with regards to alcohol abuse with the Huff. Post quotes...those are numbers...not statistics...about ONE thing...I showed you that in fact only about 5% of divorces are cause by alcohol abuse...adultery is a far greater cause and frankly that goes for Christians as well. Adultery is a far greater concern...as well as relationship failure...relationship failure between two Christians is illustrative of believers leaving Christ OUT of their marriage...I guess you would not disagree with that

the actual gripe I have with this thread, is folks saying the Bible says what it in fact does not say

and why introduce weed? the Bible does not even mention smoking anything that I am aware of...does it? I've not come across it...

alcohol is legal...so not hard to come by....so you would see more abuse just from that fact alone, which, IMO, indicates people will abuse what is available..so watch the pot numbers soar

I honestly just get peeved when folks go bananas...you didn't do that...or try to shut down other's opinions or even facts, because their PERSONAL experience is difference

you cannot filter the Bible through personal application other than between yourself and God which people seem to forget and yet they will say that soon enough when pressed (I mean everyone here)

I'd be content to end this here...add anything you want or not...I'll respond or not




From the Huffington Post:


1. 88,000 deaths are annually attributed to excessive alcohol use. (CDC)

2. Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This amounts to one death every 51 minutes. (CDC)

3. Long-term alcohol use can cause serious health complications affecting every organ in your body, including your brain. Additionally, it can damage your emotional stability, finances, career, impact your family, friends and the people you work with. (NCAAD)

4. Women who binge drink are more likely to have unprotected sex and multiple sex partners. These activities increase the risks of unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. (CDC)

5. 100,000 persons die each year from alcohol-related causes: drinking and driving crashes, other accidents, falls, fires, alcohol-related homicides and suicides. (NCAAD)

6. Excessive alcohol consumption increases aggression and, as a result, can increase the risk of physically assaulting another person. (CDC)

7. Of the 3.9 million Americans who received treatment for a substance abuse problem in 2005, 2.5 million of them were treated for alcohol use. (Drug Free World)

8. Approximately 17 percent of men and 8 percent of women will be dependent on alcohol in their lifetime. (NIAAA)

9. Because of the astounding 80,000 deaths that are related to alcohol abuse every year, alcohol abuse is the third highest cause of death in the U.S. (CDC)

10. 696,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are assaulted by another student who has been drinking. (NIAAA)

11. Approximately 7,000 children in the U.S. under the age of 16 take their first drink every day, which is a major problem because those who begin drinking before age 15 are four times more likely to develop alcoholism than those who begin at age 21. (Rehabs.com)

12. Excessive alcohol consumption cost the United States $223.5 billion in 2006. This amounts to about $1.90 per drink, or about $746 per person. (CDC)

13. Alcoholism includes the following four symptoms: craving, loss of control, physical dependence, and tolerance. (NCADD)

14. Teen alcohol use kills 4,700 people each year — that’s more than all illegal drugs combined. (MADD)

15. 5.3 million adults −- 36 percent of those under correctional supervision at the time -− were drinking at the time of their conviction offense. (NCADD)

In my last post with you I was getting upset. I took a break from here for a few months for this very reason. On this subject we dont agree. And Im not here to lose the CC friends I have. So Im going to zip it on this subject before I go too far and you and I have to avoid each other on here. We'll stick to what we agree on and stay off the hot buttons. Canucks need to stick together eh?

 

[breno785au]

It seems that many here are more concerned about their personal liberty than that they might stumble someone else.

I think it's more like some people can't handle different views.

 

[Magenta]

I took a break from here for a few months...

Two months

 

[kaylagrl]

Two months

Yep and dealt with family on FB that turned worse than here. So I figured maybe it wasn't so bad here after all. Now it seems a rock and a hard place. Never knew I could make so many virtual enemies. Oh and a few and two are the same really. I didn't think anyone noticed either way.

 

[Magenta]

Yep and dealt with family on FB that turned worse than here. So I figured maybe it wasn't so bad here after all. Now it seems a rock and a hard place. Never knew I could make so many virtual enemies.

Sorry to hear of your family woes. Other people are the reason people have pets