K
Sorry to hear of your family woes. Other people are the reason people have pets 
Alcohol
- Thread starter resurrection33
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Ya, I have two dogs lol Nothing too big just politics. People are getting so nasty this year. And my family is Canadian and cant vote so why they care I dont know. smh Im sure they'll get over it. I guess I need to keep my thoughts to myself and just nod and smile more often.
I don't drink any because we have modern medicine now. I don't like the taste of it, nor the smell of it. I can live without it.
The other day I had some root beer in my shopping cart, and the lady asked me if I scanned my beer lol. I told her it was pop. Sometimes the packaging can be similar, but beer is disgusting.
The other day I had some root beer in my shopping cart, and the lady asked me if I scanned my beer lol. I told her it was pop. Sometimes the packaging can be similar, but beer is disgusting.
then you are wrong, and you are misrepresenting what the Bible says, and you're teaching things it doesn't teach as though it is what it teaches. i.e. lies.
you make Christ a sinner at Cana, and you make the Law encouraging sin when it says to buy strong drink with your tithe and enjoy it with thanksgiving, if you cannot make the journey to Jerusalem, and you make Solomon a fool when he says these things should be given to console the brokenhearted and the perishing.
because i know you think the only way is alcohol, this is false too. a person can be drunk on many things.
the way to drunkenness is through giving in to lusts, excessively.
you make Christ a sinner at Cana, and you make the Law encouraging sin when it says to buy strong drink with your tithe and enjoy it with thanksgiving, if you cannot make the journey to Jerusalem, and you make Solomon a fool when he says these things should be given to console the brokenhearted and the perishing.
because i know you think the only way is alcohol, this is false too. a person can be drunk on many things.
the way to drunkenness is through giving in to lusts, excessively.
could you receive it with thanksgiving?
could anyone take it, and truly be thankful to God for it, not simply pleased because their lusts are satisfied, but actually grateful to the One who created it and provided it, praising Him for the enjoyment of it and the benefit it has in it?
that goes for more than just alcohol, yes.
& it needs to be tempered by submission to the authorities, so far as the authorities don't prevent you from doing God's will or try to coerce you to sin, & tempered by wisdom: but this is the same question →
if it lands you in jail or with a fine from the court, could you be thankful for it? if it turns you into a fool, could you be thankful for it? if it breaks up your home, could you be thankful for it?
you quoted that all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient, and i know you emphasized the 'expedient' part, but don't forget the lawful part. that's written there too. and the wise one said there is a time for all things, didn't he?
could anyone take it, and truly be thankful to God for it, not simply pleased because their lusts are satisfied, but actually grateful to the One who created it and provided it, praising Him for the enjoyment of it and the benefit it has in it?
that goes for more than just alcohol, yes.
& it needs to be tempered by submission to the authorities, so far as the authorities don't prevent you from doing God's will or try to coerce you to sin, & tempered by wisdom: but this is the same question →
if it lands you in jail or with a fine from the court, could you be thankful for it? if it turns you into a fool, could you be thankful for it? if it breaks up your home, could you be thankful for it?
you quoted that all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient, and i know you emphasized the 'expedient' part, but don't forget the lawful part. that's written there too. and the wise one said there is a time for all things, didn't he?
heh remember you said that when you go to a 'psychology' thread.
this is a perfectly sound statement, but it's also too often stated much too narrowly.
it's also entirely true that caffeine is a drug. sugar is a drug. anandamide ((in chocolate)) is a drug. tryptophan ((in turkey)) is a drug. anything that changes your bodies chemistry, is a drug. which means almost all foods and all drinks - and by this definition, it doesn't even have to be a physical substance. seeing a certain person or an object can trigger chemical changes in you, like someone you love or hate, or something that you covet or fear. having certain experiences or performing certain activities changes your body chemistry.
do you want any such thing to control you? or will you love God with all your heart and mind?
now then consider this with an whole view of the truth, and consider whether abstinence is the answer, whether substances, people, objects, actions and experiences are where the sin is, or whether sin is of the heart?
we need to become new -- to be redeemed. and for the redeemed, are not all things lawful? though all things may not be prudent.
things that may not be prudent are still lawful, and what is not prudent for one because his faith is weak, may be fine for another because he thanks God and he is not ensnared by lust.
y'all know yourselves and what you should or shouldn't do. let's not be "putting on airs" and acting hyper-spiritual: this is really a simple thing, and whoever has been made free and is mature understands this, yes?
i still say it is this simple: if you cannot take it with a genuinely grateful heart toward God, then it is sin for you.
& that does not make it sin for everyone else.
I think the STDs and illegitimate children would arrive much sooner than that
the scriptures teach that sin comes out of people's hearts, not that sin is bottled and doesn't exist in a person until they drink it.
plenty of people sin completely sober -- plenty of STD's are passed and children conceived out of wedlock between sober people -- but are they truly sober, or drunk on their own lusts?
it's not my liberty that i'm defending - though defending the liberty we have in Christ would be justifiable, and we should not be teaching that it is taken away. the issue i would take with some attitudes about this is over-reaching what the scriptures actually say, and twisting them.
like the very first post i put: saying that the epistles to Timothy require abstinence for overseers & deacons? that's a lie. that is a lie and it is a lie about what the scripture says -- how can i love God and not be upset about that?
or quoting that all things are lawful, but not all expedient, and ignoring & trampling on the whole "all things are lawful" part?
someone mentioned that "seems some people are more concerned with their liberties"
well, some people seem also to be more concerned with taking others liberties away -- so concerned that they will ignore and twist the Bible in order to try to accomplish it.
that is the thing i disagree with.
it's fine to go around encouraging abstinence because these things tempt to debauchery. but please don't abuse the scripture in order to bolster your case. if your stance is correct, it doesn't need the additional support of lies.
T
I find it very easy when socialising with friends, Christian and non, to drink in moderation. They may offer me more drinks, but do I accept them? No. Because I want to be in control of myself. And also because I prefer food to drink. My parents drank around me as a child, as did others. They drank in moderation. I never saw alcohol as anything other than a drink for adults to have in moderation.
Hello my brother Hmmm, well, I guess I have not paid much attention to some of the things that others are finding so contentious, though I did notice one person in particular seeming to go out of their way repeatedly to be so. Or maybe it is just their way. Anyways, I would like to say that I have advocated freedom of choice in my posts. I even stated in one post that in AA, if people are unsure about whether or not they are an alcoholic, they are encouraged to go and find out if they are powerless over alcohol or not. There is quite a stigmatism attached to admissions of powerlessness over substances and/or behaviours, and nobody really wants to say they are an alcoholic or an addict, at least at first. There are those who do not have a problem with alcohol, and this too I have multiple times acknowledged
However, many are saying all things in moderation, when moderation is not always possible or called for for all. When alcohol has been the cause of much offense in a person's life, it is quite Biblical to "cut it off," and to do so completely. So yes we become a new person in Christ, free of the chains that bound us, but this does not mean that everyone is then automatically free to drink as others do or can.
In my life, my desire for sobriety is a requirement for membership in AA and NA. It is true I could still go to meetings and I could still carry a message even without multiple years of clean time, but the clean time also speaks for itself. Many are those who come to the rooms of NA especially, and say they could not believe that anyone could stay clean for any significant amount of time. Sometimes even thirty days to such people seems a significant amount of time. Being able to show people that the program works is important in giving them hope to believe that it can also work for them. Remember, this program of which I speak has at its core the development and maintenance of an ongoing personal relationship with God.
While for some here they believe it is okay for them to drink, since they have never had any significant problem with substance abuse, that is all well and good for them. For others, drinking and behaviors that came out while under the influence were an ongoing offense that was eventually cut off. I give glory to God in acknowledging His hand in my sobriety. I carry that message via my experience, strength, and hope, into the rooms where people are looking for help from substance abuse.
Hmmm, well, I guess I have not paid much attention to some of the things that others are finding so contentious, though I did notice one person in particular seeming to go out of their way repeatedly to be so. Or maybe it is just their way. Anyways, I would like to say that I have advocated freedom of choice in my posts. I even stated in one post that in AA, if people are unsure about whether or not they are an alcoholic, they are encouraged to go and find out if they are powerless over alcohol or not. There is quite a stigmatism attached to admissions of powerlessness over substances and/or behaviours, and nobody really wants to say they are an alcoholic or an addict, at least at first. There are those who do not have a problem with alcohol, and this too I have multiple times acknowledged However, many are saying all things in moderation, when moderation is not always possible or called for for all. When alcohol has been the cause of much offense in a person's life, it is quite Biblical to "cut it off," and to do so completely. So yes we become a new person in Christ, free of the chains that bound us, but this does not mean that everyone is then automatically free to drink as others do or can.
In my life, my desire for sobriety is a requirement for membership in AA and NA. It is true I could still go to meetings and I could still carry a message even without multiple years of clean time, but the clean time also speaks for itself. Many are those who come to the rooms of NA especially, and say they could not believe that anyone could stay clean for any significant amount of time. Sometimes even thirty days to such people seems a significant amount of time.
Being able to show people that the program works is important in giving them hope to believe that it can also work for them. Remember, this program of which I speak has at its core the development and maintenance of an ongoing personal relationship with God.While for some here they believe it is okay for them to drink, since they have never had any significant problem with substance abuse, that is all well and good for them. For others, drinking and behaviors that came out while under the influence were an ongoing offense that was eventually cut off. I give glory to God in acknowledging His hand in my sobriety. I carry that message via my experience, strength, and hope, into the rooms where people are looking for help from substance abuse.
L
Kayla...respectfully, you have a skewed view of just about EVERYTHING I said due to YOUR own filters and experience
I NEVER said you jump on people...YOU said people were going to jump on you and I said...no...you have a strange way of trying to turn
what YOU said to others
no one was picking a fight...you appear to consider a difference of opinion or even interpretation of the Bible as an invitation to a fight even AFTER you state you didn't...and I said thank you...I was fine with that
apparently, you don't know yourself or YOUR limits with regards to having a different opinion...you probably find that insulting...but it seems to be the case in these forums with people more often than not
I'm sorry it went this way...it did not have to...but I'm not going to sit here and have YOU tell ME how I feel or what I meant
I am one of the most straightforward people on this forum and that irks some people and they call me mean
so be it
Just cut it out...I'm not interested in the pity party
LOL!...I'm being defensive
listen...I respect you and in order to keep it that way...I'm going to leave our 'conversation' as is
Christians seem to think if they whine they are scoring points...not with me they don't
thanks anyway
Last edited:
K
Ya,its best to leave it be. I dont know many Canadians that aren't straight forward. If I respond to this we'll get into the ditch again. We're missing each other on this subject. Best to leave it be and agree we disagree in a big way. I base my opinions on what the Bible says. Im not a whiner, nor am I trying to score points. Its only a forum. Since we're both direct we'll have to realize that when we disagree sparks will fly. So lets avoid the hot buttons. But boy if we agree we'll take over the whole forum
Have a blessed day,I say that sincerely.
L
Ya,its best to leave it be. I dont know many Canadians that aren't straight forward. If I respond to this we'll get into the ditch again. We're missing each other on this subject. Best to leave it be and agree we disagree in a big way. I base my opinions on what the Bible says. Im not a whiner, nor am I trying to score points. Its only a forum. Since we're both direct we'll have to realize that when we disagree sparks will fly. So lets avoid the hot buttons. But boy if we agree we'll take over the whole forum Have a blessed day,I say that sincerely.
Have a blessed day,I say that sincerely.
I truly do not want to see you any other way than a fellow believer
hugs Kayla!
so glad you responded this way...you encourage me in Christ...
understanding is very important to me...but I think acceptance as we are, is pretty much what we all want
so thank you!
Ya,its best to leave it be. I dont know many Canadians that aren't straight forward. If I respond to this we'll get into the ditch again. We're missing each other on this subject. Best to leave it be and agree we disagree in a big way. I base my opinions on what the Bible says. Im not a whiner, nor am I trying to score points. Its only a forum. Since we're both direct we'll have to realize that when we disagree sparks will fly. So lets avoid the hot buttons. But boy if we agree we'll take over the whole forum
Have a blessed day,I say that sincerely.Beautiful and godly how you two women handled that. All of us could learn from this. Thank you! Praise God!
( Feel free to either go and have a drink together to celebrate the love of Christ in us - or not...
)
Ya,its best to leave it be. I dont know many Canadians that aren't straight forward. If I respond to this we'll get into the ditch again. We're missing each other on this subject. Best to leave it be and agree we disagree in a big way. I base my opinions on what the Bible says. Im not a whiner, nor am I trying to score points. Its only a forum. Since we're both direct we'll have to realize that when we disagree sparks will fly. So lets avoid the hot buttons. But boy if we agree we'll take over the whole forum Have a blessed day,I say that sincerely.
Have a blessed day,I say that sincerely.