Fight the good fight of faith
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Just look at PilgrimPassingthru's avatar, and it will come to you. 
I really am not interested in honoring men...I don't really concern myself with that at all.
There is nothing that I need to look at Pilgrim for...there is nothing that she (or yourself) can give me that I need(or take away from me what I already have)
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Interesting post from my perspective.
Believing in Jesus is following Him
Imagine you are a captain of a ship with a pilot on board, and you say you believe in
the pilot but actually captain the ship anyway. Having belief in someone is handing
control over to them.
So following Jesus is the demonstration of ones belief. Oh I believe in Jesus, but this
preacher over here is so much better, and this way is much more secure.
But it is just a way of denying what trust is.
Now if I do not follow Jesus what am I following? All the other alternatives are the world,
which is the opposite of following Christ.
So the language and logic says one simple thing. Believe Jesus and follow Him.
Believing in Jesus is following Him
Imagine you are a captain of a ship with a pilot on board, and you say you believe in
the pilot but actually captain the ship anyway. Having belief in someone is handing
control over to them.
So following Jesus is the demonstration of ones belief. Oh I believe in Jesus, but this
preacher over here is so much better, and this way is much more secure.
But it is just a way of denying what trust is.
Now if I do not follow Jesus what am I following? All the other alternatives are the world,
which is the opposite of following Christ.
So the language and logic says one simple thing. Believe Jesus and follow Him.
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Now this is an interesting point or non-point.
If everytime a christian makes a context point, one has to establish the whole steps
of salvation, then conversation will always be very stilted.
The whole message of Jesus is accept Him and walk in righteousness.
It takes time to work this out but it is the whole point.
Being in the world is to say how you feel is all that matters, ignore the past and just
make do.
Jesus is saying repent, accept the failure and the power and success He represents,
have faith in Him. Then get up and follow. Now until your heart is worked through,
and you begin to see things correctly it is always a fuzz and you are sensitive to all
the wrong issues in the wrong way. So Jesus emphasises this is like becoming a child
again and relearning life. But few let the Lord do this to them.
Now for the legalist hunters, it is the wrong thing they are being sensitive to. It should
be the hypocracy of behaviour, lack of honesty about the heart, and just appearing to
walk correctly that is the problem. This is the area you expose, the hypocracy, the
failing to do the right thing, the broken marriages, the corruption with money, the
exploitation of the poor, the fake miracles, the greed and pomposity, the porn addiction,
the celebrity status, the lying.
Unless ofcourse the "legalist hunters" are actually the righteousness hunters, which is
where praise should be given and not condemnation.
If everytime a christian makes a context point, one has to establish the whole steps
of salvation, then conversation will always be very stilted.
The whole message of Jesus is accept Him and walk in righteousness.
It takes time to work this out but it is the whole point.
Being in the world is to say how you feel is all that matters, ignore the past and just
make do.
Jesus is saying repent, accept the failure and the power and success He represents,
have faith in Him. Then get up and follow. Now until your heart is worked through,
and you begin to see things correctly it is always a fuzz and you are sensitive to all
the wrong issues in the wrong way. So Jesus emphasises this is like becoming a child
again and relearning life. But few let the Lord do this to them.
Now for the legalist hunters, it is the wrong thing they are being sensitive to. It should
be the hypocracy of behaviour, lack of honesty about the heart, and just appearing to
walk correctly that is the problem. This is the area you expose, the hypocracy, the
failing to do the right thing, the broken marriages, the corruption with money, the
exploitation of the poor, the fake miracles, the greed and pomposity, the porn addiction,
the celebrity status, the lying.
Unless ofcourse the "legalist hunters" are actually the righteousness hunters, which is
where praise should be given and not condemnation.
The odd thing about the above statement, is it is a lie.
Every born again christian bows at the cross, and is only anything through Christ and following.
And the first realisation in meeting Jesus is nothing we do is good, because sin infuses everything
we touch and think about.
But Jesus is saying something very profound. He can make us in this life where this is no longer
true, by learning through following Him, obedience.
How can a child of the world become a child of God? Through the death and resurrection of Jesus.
That is the door and the path is obedience.
Now it has taken me a little time to realise how easily people miss-state, lie, miss-represent like it is
second nature to them. There is no regard for others feelings or even their true spiritual state before
the Lord. And the reason for this, is these people do not believe the targets are saved, know Christ,
and are a work of satan.
The sign of this behaviour is the continual lying. Now I know what and how I believe. I have stated
it many, many, times. It is even on the blog for those who wish to look at it. So why lie so much?
Because their concept is the church exists only as two camps, those who are mystically eternal, those
not. Their mission is to expose those who are not, "legalists", because they are the real evil in the
world.
The problem is this is just an invention of their minds, a delusion. The world is full of people with
varying grasps of eternity, and varying ways of expressing it. Only the Lord know truly who are His,
but it is the heart that defines this reality. And our mission is merely to spread the love of Jesus and
righteousness.
So I say, if you love Jesus, amen, praise the Lord, let us walk together in praising Him and learning
His ways. If you wish to lie about me, slander me, then halleluyah, for great is my reward, but you
are not following the Lord.
In Christ we should be of one mind and heart, yet clearly if I agree with the Lord, and you do not agree
with me, then you have lost the plot somewhere. I am always open to my errors and failures, which is
why I follow Christ and His ways, but if you preach a gospel of defeat and bondage to sin, then you
have no argument.
Every born again christian bows at the cross, and is only anything through Christ and following.
And the first realisation in meeting Jesus is nothing we do is good, because sin infuses everything
we touch and think about.
But Jesus is saying something very profound. He can make us in this life where this is no longer
true, by learning through following Him, obedience.
How can a child of the world become a child of God? Through the death and resurrection of Jesus.
That is the door and the path is obedience.
Now it has taken me a little time to realise how easily people miss-state, lie, miss-represent like it is
second nature to them. There is no regard for others feelings or even their true spiritual state before
the Lord. And the reason for this, is these people do not believe the targets are saved, know Christ,
and are a work of satan.
The sign of this behaviour is the continual lying. Now I know what and how I believe. I have stated
it many, many, times. It is even on the blog for those who wish to look at it. So why lie so much?
Because their concept is the church exists only as two camps, those who are mystically eternal, those
not. Their mission is to expose those who are not, "legalists", because they are the real evil in the
world.
The problem is this is just an invention of their minds, a delusion. The world is full of people with
varying grasps of eternity, and varying ways of expressing it. Only the Lord know truly who are His,
but it is the heart that defines this reality. And our mission is merely to spread the love of Jesus and
righteousness.
So I say, if you love Jesus, amen, praise the Lord, let us walk together in praising Him and learning
His ways. If you wish to lie about me, slander me, then halleluyah, for great is my reward, but you
are not following the Lord.
In Christ we should be of one mind and heart, yet clearly if I agree with the Lord, and you do not agree
with me, then you have lost the plot somewhere. I am always open to my errors and failures, which is
why I follow Christ and His ways, but if you preach a gospel of defeat and bondage to sin, then you
have no argument.
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Dude, those were based on your words. Not out of some arbitrary off the wall statement.
Thats your first step. YOUR the one doing the walking, Your the one doing it under your own power.. There is no god in here, It is you supposedly following God, sorry, that is not what scripture says, it says God came to find you, He came to save you..
You must be born again first my friend, THATS the first step. You all seem to always miss this part.. Its all about what you do. Not what Christ did. Why do you think true children get so upset when people mock God like this?
Yes, We would agree here, Even our best is not good enough, If we see this, We have hope..
Is this like learning to trust him? Because to me faith is what causes us to follow him, Not our own power.. We would never follow God of our own power.. Because he is against everything our flesh desires. It takes faith.. and it is a process, We are not "born again" with enending faith in everything God says or asks us to do. We have to be sanctified by him, this is where trust come in and grows.
Here you are.. Your saying we are saved by our deeds (obedience) Now please stop saying I am lieing about what I say, when you say it all the time, this is the second time you have said the path is your good deeds,,
Paul said we are not saved by our good deeds (Not by works of righteousness which we HAVE DONE) but by Gods mercy HE SAVED US by the washing and new birth of the Holy SPirit.
God saves us first, then obedience follows.
well I just proved i did not lie, You have proved what I said was true by your statments
and maybe you think this way, Because this is what you do to others, You lie about then, Slander them, and say they believe things they do not. Then when they confront you about it, you get mad, and say it is they who are lying..
Yes, We know what you believe also. And we are not lying, I just proved that.. Maybe you do not know what you believe, You just think you do? or maybe you do not think you doing all the work is actually you doing it? But what matters is what the reality of what you are saying is, Not what you or I think it means..
So our mission is to expose those who are NOT legalist? hmm, Interesting.
Anyway, God mission is to save the lost.. and to expose false teachers.. That is our mission, Because we do follow him.. (even though you all claim we do not. but thats beside the point.)
You can not spread the "love" of jesus when you claim his "love: is dependent on you walking in obedience to him FIRST.. as that is the same as saying God wants you to buy his love with your works.. Otherwise, He wants nothing to do with you..
Well that came from satan, Not god..
So if I follow you I am ok, If not. I am lost.
Thanks, You just proved my point again..You just contradicted yourself.
You can not sit there and claim you are open to your errors. and in the same breath say if someone does not follow you they are lost. Thats means you are closed minded, And everyone must follow you or else. Your not open to your faults when you think this way.
But we have been here before right?
Thats your first step. YOUR the one doing the walking, Your the one doing it under your own power.. There is no god in here, It is you supposedly following God, sorry, that is not what scripture says, it says God came to find you, He came to save you..
You must be born again first my friend, THATS the first step. You all seem to always miss this part.. Its all about what you do. Not what Christ did. Why do you think true children get so upset when people mock God like this?
Yes, We would agree here, Even our best is not good enough, If we see this, We have hope..
Is this like learning to trust him? Because to me faith is what causes us to follow him, Not our own power.. We would never follow God of our own power.. Because he is against everything our flesh desires. It takes faith.. and it is a process, We are not "born again" with enending faith in everything God says or asks us to do. We have to be sanctified by him, this is where trust come in and grows.
Here you are.. Your saying we are saved by our deeds (obedience) Now please stop saying I am lieing about what I say, when you say it all the time, this is the second time you have said the path is your good deeds,,
Paul said we are not saved by our good deeds (Not by works of righteousness which we HAVE DONE) but by Gods mercy HE SAVED US by the washing and new birth of the Holy SPirit.
God saves us first, then obedience follows.
well I just proved i did not lie, You have proved what I said was true by your statments
and maybe you think this way, Because this is what you do to others, You lie about then, Slander them, and say they believe things they do not. Then when they confront you about it, you get mad, and say it is they who are lying..
Yes, We know what you believe also. And we are not lying, I just proved that.. Maybe you do not know what you believe, You just think you do? or maybe you do not think you doing all the work is actually you doing it? But what matters is what the reality of what you are saying is, Not what you or I think it means..
So our mission is to expose those who are NOT legalist? hmm, Interesting.
Anyway, God mission is to save the lost.. and to expose false teachers.. That is our mission, Because we do follow him.. (even though you all claim we do not. but thats beside the point.)
You can not spread the "love" of jesus when you claim his "love: is dependent on you walking in obedience to him FIRST.. as that is the same as saying God wants you to buy his love with your works.. Otherwise, He wants nothing to do with you..
Well that came from satan, Not god..
So if I follow you I am ok, If not. I am lost.
Thanks, You just proved my point again..You just contradicted yourself.
You can not sit there and claim you are open to your errors. and in the same breath say if someone does not follow you they are lost. Thats means you are closed minded, And everyone must follow you or else. Your not open to your faults when you think this way.
But we have been here before right?
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