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Hi BeyondET:
Sphere:
a round solid figure, or its surface, with every point on its surface equidistant from its center. Found NOWHERE in the Holy Bible KJV.
Globe:
a spherical or rounded object. Found NOWHERE in the Holy Bible KJV.
Circle:
a round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the center).
Isaiah 40:22...." It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
Ball:
a solid or hollow sphere or ovoid, especially one that is kicked, thrown, or hit in a game.
Isaiah 22:18 "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house"
God now the difference and now you should too?
Tourist: I do not try to find out who believes what. But rather, If they believe the Bible why do they remain quite. Even in this forum, it is evident this subject is Taboo. My opinion is : If you do not believe in the Whole Bible (both OT and NT), well as I said, you might just be poking your finger in Gods Eyes.
How can you believe in Jesus without believing what he says about his creation.
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BeyondET
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Hi there very true about the bible not stating the earth being a sphere or flat circle or sphere round.
the ball thing you mention which has nothing to do with the structure of the earth Isaiah 22:18 is about violently turn and toss like a ball into a large country Not a large earth/world. Bible translations have it saying either circle or round. the bible mentions the structure of the earth in only a very few verses. Isaiah 22:18 is not one of them for sure.
!st. I used the "Ball" scripture to show that God knows the difference between it and a sphere or a Globe. On your other statement, I offered around 75 verses in post #1,2,3 concerning the structure of the earth. I could give you many many more verses but why take up the sites bandwidth to do so. If you have a specific concern, I will try my best to answer it.
In reality, I started this thread to get you to think and get out of your comfort zone and if by chance someone see the light, Well OK.
During the early days of the Church there was a heresy known as Docetism which stated that Christ only appeared to be Human so that his death and resurrection didn't really happen. The consequence of this belief was really to deny his Human nature and his sacrifice for our sins and make the central belief of christianity pointless. In some evangelical circles there is to some extent a form of Bible Docetism that denies any human input and either ignores or tries to explain away any difficulties encountered when reading parts of the text or when coming up against anything running contrary to modern knowledge. The experience of Copernicus and Galileo are well known examples of this mentality and the Flat Earthers are also an extreme example of it.
Up until the 19th century it was known that the Greek used in writing the NT was different from that used to write the Greek Classics. it was believed that NT Greek was a special divine version until Archeologists found every day letters and contracts written in the same version. The Holy Spirit had no trouble in using common Greek as a channel to transmit the NT so why should He have a problem using Human ideas of the world to deliver the whole Bible.
There are spiritual interpretations of Bible Passages in fact Jewish Scholars have recognised four levels of interpretation the literal being the lowest. But for centuries people have taken the literal level as being the only one there is and some
who still do including people on CC. This leads to confusion for some and endless debates.
Further to my last Post. One has to take care with Bible interpretation. A well known example of wrong interpretation is that given by St Augustine who gave an extreme interpretation of the Parable of the Good Samaritan, giving unwarranted meaning to every detail.
Really? I guess that is why it Isaiah wrote what he did about the Book in 29:11
But really you are not familiar with the scriptures regarding the four corners of the earth; how 360[SUP]o[/SUP] originated as the degrees for a circle?
You've never see Pharoah's compass which was used to build the Pyramids of Giza long before the magnetic compass was ever produced. He must of had some good advice since the 4 corners of the pyramids in Giza are set where each side face of each Pyramid faces directly N, E, S, W.
So the earth's circumference isn't 26,448.97959183673 miles?
The International Space Station orbits 254 miles above the earth and travels at the speed of 17,150 mph (depending upon which Space agency you reference),but anyway it is almost like traveling at 285.33 miles per second, except you have to take into account that speed of the earth rotation on its axis the direction and attitude the ISS is orbiting the earth. However, it would only take a 87.27 minutes to orbit the earth once yet the time ranges for the ISS to travel from sunrise to sunrise is 90-92 minutes which doesn't exactly align with the 24,901 miles hypothesis.
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Well only a few of those verses speaks of the earth structure directly and like I said there are only two words ever used and that is circle and round pretty much it.
Isaiah 22:18 is one verse from this
The Valley of Vision
1The oracle concerning the valley of vision.
What is the matter with you now, that you have all gone up to the housetops? 2You who were full of noise,
You boisterous town, you exultant city;
Your slain were not slain with the sword,
Nor did they die in battle. 3All your rulers have fled together,
And have been captured without the bow;
All of you who were found were taken captive together,
Though they had fled far away. 4Therefore I say, “Turn your eyes away from me,
Let me weep bitterly,
Do not try to comfort me concerning the destruction of the daughter of my people.” 5For the Lord GOD of hosts has a day of panic, subjugation and confusion
In the valley of vision,
A breaking down of walls
And a crying to the mountain. 6Elam took up the quiver
With the chariots, infantry and horsemen;
And Kir uncovered the shield. 7Then your choicest valleys were full of chariots,
And the horsemen took up fixed positions at the gate. 8And He removed the defense of Judah.
In that day you depended on the weapons of the house of the forest, 9And you saw that the breaches
In the wall of the city of David were many;
And you collected the waters of the lower pool. 10Then you counted the houses of Jerusalem
And tore down houses to fortify the wall. 11And you made a reservoir between the two walls
For the waters of the old pool.
But you did not depend on Him who made it,
Nor did you take into consideration Him who planned it long ago. 12Therefore in that day the Lord GOD of hosts called you to weeping, to wailing,
To shaving the head and to wearing sackcloth. 13Instead, there is gaiety and gladness,
Killing of cattle and slaughtering of sheep,
Eating of meat and drinking of wine:
“Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we may die.” 14But the LORD of hosts revealed Himself to me,
“Surely this iniquity shall not be forgiven you
Until you die,” says the Lord GOD of hosts. 15Thus says the Lord GOD of hosts,
“Come, go to this steward,
To Shebna, who is in charge of the royal household, 16‘What right do you have here,
And whom do you have here,
That you have hewn a tomb for yourself here,
You who hew a tomb on the height,
You who carve a resting place for yourself in the rock? 17‘Behold, the LORD is about to hurl you headlong, O man.
And He is about to grasp you firmly 18And roll you tightly like a ball,
To be cast into a vast country;
There you will die
And there your splendid chariots will be,
You shame of your master’s house.’ 19“I will depose you from your office,
And I will pull you down from your station. 20“Then it will come about in that day,
That I will summon My servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, 21And I will clothe him with your tunic
And tie your sash securely about him.
I will entrust him with your authority,
And he will become a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22“Then I will set the key of the house of David on his shoulder,
When he opens no one will shut,
When he shuts no one will open. 23“I will drive him like a peg in a firm place,
And he will become a throne of glory to his father’s house.
24“So they will hang on him all the glory of his father’s house, offspring and issue, all the least of vessels, from bowls to all the jars. 25“In that day,” declares the LORD of hosts, “the peg driven in a firm place will give way; it will even break off and fall, and the load hanging on it will be cut off, for the LORD has spoken.”
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Huh... But of coarse I'm familiar,, our own human bodies have a N,E,S,W pretty simple. I know your about the flat earth thing and I'm not into haggling over that issue with you, your going to believe what you believe and that is perfectly ok
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someone should post that in very large print on the homepage LOL!
again and again new members give what for to people who have credibility by longevity alone if not doctrine
talk about presumption!
While Tourist can provide his own response, I'll note with regard to the bolded part above that even if someone reads your post, that person is under no obligation to respond. I certainly don't have time to respond to every post, so I pick and choose what to read, and what merits a response. I suspect many of us interact that way.
As to your opinion about believing the whole Bible, you may want to consider that there are a great many people who believe the whole Bible and have a different interpretation of things, so yours is not necessarily the only one. Perhaps back off on the inflammatory rhetoric and invite discussion instead of demanding agreement.
I believe in Jesus and everything that was said in the bible regarding creation. I believe in every word in the bible.
I was just pointing out that until you have a firm grasp on who the members are and what their beliefs are that it is not productive to make harsh assumptions or generalizations.
Not everyone has the time or inclination to respond to each and every post.
There is nothing that is taboo in the Bible Discussion Forum. It does help to have a thick skin however as there are times that the conversations get a little overheated.
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well that is allowed apparently, but don't get any planets involved!!
or we'll have to come for you with torches during the next full moon
Is this why a full 2/3 of the Jewish people, scholars, etc. who Do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah will die in the Tribulations to come. Don't think their four levels of interpretation will help them.
While Tourist can provide his own response, I'll note with regard to the bolded part above that even if someone reads your post, that person is under no obligation to respond. I certainly don't have time to respond to every post, so I pick and choose what to read, and what merits a response. I suspect many of us interact that way.
As to your opinion about believing the whole Bible, you may want to consider that there are a great many people who believe the whole Bible and have a different interpretation of things, so yours is not necessarily the only one. Perhaps back off on the inflammatory rhetoric and invite discussion instead of demanding agreement.
Believe the bible Literally,Allegorically or a combination of both.
I do not want to debate a flat earth,or a spherical earth,but am only wondering.
1.If the earth is flat,and the sun is 3000 miles above earth at all times,it would seem like we would always be able to see the suns light,even if it is dark in our area,especially those that are closer to the center of the flat earth,and why would it be dark for so long in an area and they cannot see the suns light it if it that high up in the air.
Also it would appear as if the sun would not appear over the horizon as it does,but would seem like it would be coming straight ahead for quite a while before it get over an area.
2.Plane flights-if a plane goes in the opposite direction of the destination on the flat earth map,how did it reach its destination,and has anybody ever circled the earth,left their destination and went to the left,and made it back to their destination,for how did they do it.
3.How come nobody ever goes up high enough in a plane and take a picture of the edge,or why did not anybody ever fly off the edge,or nobody can prove the edge.
4.Shadows and Sticks-if you stick a stick in the ground it produces a shadow,which the shadow moves as time passes,but if it were a flat earth,sticks in two different locations would produce the same shadow,but they don't.
5.The center of gravity-mass attracts things to it.The force of attraction(gravity)between two objects depends on their mass and the distance between them,gravity will pull toward the center of mass of the objects.To find the center of mass,you have to examine the object.
Since a sphere has a consistent shape,no matter where you stand,you have the same amount of sphere under you,so the same amount of gravity is applied all around the sphere.
But on a flat earth the center of mass is in its center,and the force of gravity will pull a person toward the middle of the plain.
That means if you stand on the edge of the plain,gravity will pull you towards the middle,not straight down like we experience,which in Australia gravity is still downward.
So people would feel different amounts of gravity upon them in different locations of the world,and it would pull towards the middle of the plain,not straight down,unless you were in the middle of the plain.
There is more like lunar eclipses that only make sense if the earth is a sphere,for the earth's shadow hits it,as the earth is between the sun and moon.
Ships on the horizon which would be how it would appear on a flat earth,but the ships appear to emerge from beneath the sea which would happen on a sphere.
The farther you go from the equator,the farther the known constellations go towards the horizon,and are replaced by different stars.This would not happen if the earth was flat.
Time zones,which does not make sense on a flat earth,and if the earth were flat it would not be so dark for so long without seeing the suns light,even if it was not directly shining on that area,for if it was dark,you would still see the light far away,for they did an experiment and said the human eye can see a candle flame 1.6 miles away,so it would seem that if the sun is 3000 miles above the earths surface you should always be able to see,or at least see it without is being dark for so long,but what about those in the middle,or towards the middle,and what about when certain places experience daylight 24 hours,or night time 24 hours.
I am only wondering.
1.If the earth is flat,and the sun is 3000 miles above earth at all times,it would seem like we would always be able to see the suns light,even if it is dark in our area,especially those that are closer to the center of the flat earth,and why would it be dark for so long in an area and they cannot see the suns light it if it that high up in the air.
Also it would appear as if the sun would not appear over the horizon as it does,but would seem like it would be coming straight ahead for quite a while before it get over an area.
2.Plane flights-if a plane goes in the opposite direction of the destination on the flat earth map,how did it reach its destination,and has anybody ever circled the earth,left their destination and went to the left,and made it back to their destination,for how did they do it.
3.How come nobody ever goes up high enough in a plane and take a picture of the edge,or why did not anybody ever fly off the edge,or nobody can prove the edge.
4.Shadows and Sticks-if you stick a stick in the ground it produces a shadow,which the shadow moves as time passes,but if it were a flat earth,sticks in two different locations would produce the same shadow,but they don't.
5.The center of gravity-mass attracts things to it.The force of attraction(gravity)between two objects depends on their mass and the distance between them,gravity will pull toward the center of mass of the objects.To find the center of mass,you have to examine the object.
Since a sphere has a consistent shape,no matter where you stand,you have the same amount of sphere under you,so the same amount of gravity is applied all around the sphere.
But on a flat earth the center of mass is in its center,and the force of gravity will pull a person toward the middle of the plain.
That means if you stand on the edge of the plain,gravity will pull you towards the middle,not straight down like we experience,which in Australia gravity is still downward.
So people would feel different amounts of gravity upon them in different locations of the world,and it would pull towards the middle of the plain,not straight down,unless you were in the middle of the plain.
There is more like lunar eclipses that only make sense if the earth is a sphere,for the earth's shadow hits it,as the earth is between the sun and moon.
Ships on the horizon which would be how it would appear on a flat earth,but the ships appear to emerge from beneath the sea which would happen on a sphere.
The farther you go from the equator,the farther the known constellations go towards the horizon,and are replaced by different stars.This would not happen if the earth was flat.
Time zones,which does not make sense on a flat earth,and if the earth were flat it would not be so dark for so long without seeing the suns light,even if it was not directly shining on that area,for if it was dark,you would still see the light far away,for they did an experiment and said the human eye can see a candle flame 1.6 miles away,so it would seem that if the sun is 3000 miles above the earths surface you should always be able to see,or at least see it without is being dark for so long,but what about those in the middle,or towards the middle,and what about when certain places experience daylight 24 hours,or night time 24 hours.
I am only wondering.
Hello Mpaper345:
I cannot answer your questions to any degree of satisfaction. There are web sites that have all the information you request. My main goal is understanding the Bible and what God said not what Mankind has been lying about for the last 600 years.
The Bible tells us we are close to the end-times. However, only during the last 4-5 years has man's science vs God's Word been questioned. I myself believed that God made everything and never once thought about it. I guess ignorance is bliss. However, once I started reading the Bible literally, things began to change. I was no longer ignorant. When I had a question, the internet give the the world best library. By using it, I began to change my mind about man's so called science while re-committing myself to finding and understanding just what God's Word really is.
I cannot answer your questions to any degree of satisfaction. There are web sites that have all the information you request. My main goal is understanding the Bible and what God said not what Mankind has been lying about for the last 600 years.
The Bible tells us we are close to the end-times. However, only during the last 4-5 years has man's science vs God's Word been questioned. I myself believed that God made everything and never once thought about it. I guess ignorance is bliss. However, once I started reading the Bible literally, things began to change. I was no longer ignorant. When I had a question, the internet give the the world best library. By using it, I began to change my mind about man's so called science while re-committing myself to finding and understanding just what God's Word really is.