Trump in Church (in case you missed it)

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[video=youtube;tsOlXidHXRE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE[/video]

I think it was PostHuman who first showed me that he once claimed to be pro choice. I mean I am probly gonna vote for him, but I do worry that hes just saying what he thinks he needs to say to get the vote.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
[video=youtube;tsOlXidHXRE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE[/video]

I think it was PostHuman who first showed me that he once claimed to be pro choice. I mean I am probly gonna vote for him, but I do worry that hes just saying what he thinks he needs to say to get the vote.
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He is very clear in showing that though he is personally against abortion, he would uphold the American way of not trying to "legislate" women into doing what he prefers.
 
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I dunno, that doesnt sound like a strong stance to me : p I mean, youre either pro life or pro choice, if you believe that the "rights of women" need to be protected and we cant "force our will" on people with this issue, then you are pro choice. Thats the entire argument of those who are pro choice : p

I believe that its in no way a womens right, and is about the life inside the womb, and that that life has rights and should be protected just as much as the woman carrying it, and that aborting the life is murder. But Im pro life, sooooo : p
 
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I dunno, that doesnt sound like a strong stance to me : p I mean, youre either pro life or pro choice, if you believe that the "rights of women" need to be protected and we cant "force our will" on people with this issue, then you are pro choice. Thats the entire argument of those who are pro choice : p

I believe that its in no way a womens right, and is about the life inside the womb, and that that life has rights and should be protected just as much as the woman carrying it, and that aborting the life is murder. But Im pro life, sooooo : p
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We have no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do that way. BUT we have EVERY RIGHT to say that we should not be forced to pay one thin dime for her abortion..... and THAT has always been the issue.... Are we taxpayers to pay for abortions?
 
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Oh I entirely disagree with you, if we have the right to say you cant murder then we have the right to say you cant abort your baby.
 
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Oh I entirely disagree with you, if we have the right to say you cant murder then we have the right to say you cant abort your baby.
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People in Clinton's camp feel we are poisoning our children with our "fairy tales" of a God. Where will you stand when they legislate their "right" to protect our children from our Religious Child Abuse?

There is only a small hop and a skip from one, to the other.
 
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Theres a difference between taking the life of someone for your own convenience, and not agreeing with the things you teach your children. They are not equal arguments.

Theres freedom of speech and religious freedoms, and theres the right to life.
 
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No surprise at all. the man has definite issues. I would venture to say he is ruled by Satan. Poor guy. Not even on a political note, but a purely human note...................he has definitely been seduced by the Devil. The man does not even know his own mind.
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Again I'd have to say, "compared to Hillary and Bill"? Ruled by satan?! No pair demonstrates this more than these two. Seduced by the devil? Bill Clinton disgraced the office in the most horrible way. Do we think he wont do it again? The lies and deceit of these two? smh
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
[video=youtube;tsOlXidHXRE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE[/video]

I think it was PostHuman who first showed me that he once claimed to be pro choice. I mean I am probly gonna vote for him, but I do worry that hes just saying what he thinks he needs to say to get the vote.
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Brother, we know how Hillary feels about abortion, she supports it wholeheartedly. She said she admired Margret Sanger,admired her! If Trump doesn't keep his word,boot him out of office in four years.
 
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Well, I don't even think we have the right to pass laws that a person should be punished for attempting suicide. So I guess we just aren't going to even come close to agreeing on any of this.
 
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Brother, we know how Hillary feels about abortion, she supports it wholeheartedly. She said she admired Margret Sanger,admired her! If Trump doesn't keep his word,boot him out of office in four years.
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Oh, no I totally agree with you. I absolutely do not trust Hilary at all and do not want her as our president. With Trump, there are some things I really like about him, for real. I just dont know if I can totally trust in him, as in hes really so serious about Christians and their stance on issues and junk, and worry that hes just taking "our side" to get the vote.

I plan on voting for him and hoping for the best : p
 
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Well, I don't even think we have the right to pass laws that a person should be punished for attempting suicide. So I guess we just aren't going to even come close to agreeing on any of this.
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I never said that? I said that abortion shouldnt be legal. (one could argue that in certain cases it should be allowed, and while I am not totally sure where I stand on that, I dont support abortion period. And not every abortion case is "the mothers life was in danger" or whatever, as there are plenty of cases where the mother just didnt feel she wanted the child, wasnt ready yet, ect)
 
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Oh, no I totally agree with you. I absolutely do not trust Hilary at all and do not want her as our president. With Trump, there are some things I really like about him, for real. I just dont know if I can totally trust in him, as in hes really so serious about Christians and their stance on issues and junk, and worry that hes just taking "our side" to get the vote.

I plan on voting for him and hoping for the best : p
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Well we dont know what we dont know. But what we do know we know! You know? ;)
 
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I never said that? I said that abortion shouldnt be legal. (one could argue that in certain cases it should be allowed, and while I am not totally sure where I stand on that, I dont support abortion period. And not every abortion case is "the mothers life was in danger" or whatever, as there are plenty of cases where the mother just didnt feel she wanted the child, wasnt ready yet, ect)
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I was just pointing out that lots of people think those personal "life and death" decisions should be legislated, and I feel we have no right, nor basis to do that.

Interestingly, one of the first benevolent things Trump ever did was to pay off a widow's debts that her husband had committed suicide over so that she could get his insurance money to pay the debts..... I guess it wasn't enough money, though. (Not really related, but I thought it was interesting that he didn't consider judging, one way or another, but just paid off her debts.)
 
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The date on that interview is Oct 1999 - 16 -17 years ago.......people are allowed to evolve / change their minds i.e. do some growing, come to some realizations. ...I know i have changed my view on some things- on things i believed deeply.

I believe it's been said it's the people who never change their views are the ones to wonder about.

I think the question is what does he believe in now...?
 
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that's exactly what I'm afraid of......I don't want to be responsible for putting either one of those in office.
 
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The date on that interview is Oct 1999 - 16 -17 years ago.......people are allowed to evolve / change their minds i.e. do some growing, come to some realizations. ...I know i have changed my view on some things- on things i believed deeply.

I believe it's been said it's the people who never change their views are the ones to wonder about.

I think the question is what does he believe in now...?
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Oh I completely agree, in fact up until 2014 I was so far away from God and for the will of the world, and I totally know that a person can make a completely 360 degree change on any day.

But hes a politician, so you never know whether or not hes being for real, or when hes putting on a mask for the sake of his own personal gain. Im not totally accusing him of this, but the possibility still exists.
 
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Is Trump really a Christian? Like, has he been a follower of Christ before he started running for president?

I mean, Obama claimed to be Christian, but its pretty clear he really isnt.
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Well he did attend church on a weekly basis as a child and young adult ...but I don think trump is trying to sell himself as a "church-goer" but as a believer and as a man who intends to defend Christians and their rights in America and around the world.
 
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that's exactly what I'm afraid of......I don't want to be responsible for putting either one of those in office.
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To equate Trump and Hillary in a moral sense is just dishonest ...but the truth is Trump don't have to beg the hypocrites to vote for him...he has plenty of the righteous and the sinners to get the job done.
 
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