Wow. JGIG you have been a christian almost your whole life, and have the inside
track it appears.
I've come to trust the faithfulness of God \o/.
I have seen the ammunition you use, and you powerfully put people in their place.
Your opinion. Ammunition? In discourse with you, your own words, as they condemn you. In discourse in general on the BDF, the Gospel, the Good News, with contextual Scripture.
So I am a conundrum to you. I am not churched in the way you were, or even
thinking quite along the same lines.
No conumdrum, PeterJens. I recognize manipulation and inconsistent thought processes. You are a double-minded man, unstable in all your ways. You take what others post here and distort and twist them to further your inconsistent pontifications. Many of us have observed this and have written detailed posts articulating when and where you distort and twist, yet you continue on in denial, while admitting here that you have a memory problem. That would put the 'issue' and 'problem' in your lap, not in ours.
How or where or for how long you were churched has nothing to do with the dysfunction you demonstrate here.
The above statement about discipline sounds too absolute. God does bring judgement.
Judgement is the lawful conclusion of justice on behaviour.
I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless.
Isaiah 13:11
That is true for those not in Christ.
That is not true for those who are in Christ.
Now God loves us truly but He is also impartial and to be feared.
Can you accept in justice, the Lord can punish, even among His people, as well as reward?
17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. (from 1 Jn. 4)
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. (from 2 Cor. 5)
New Covenant Scripture does not support your view.
It sounds like you were badly abused as a child, which is terrible, but abuse is the incorrect
use of justice and truth. But justice is brutal, and the lake of fire absolute.
Think about what you are saying: That abuse is terrible, yet God would do the same to us, His children. In another thread, you claim that God kills His children!
The lake of fire is not for God's children, but for those who refuse to receive Christ. You blur lines where they ought not to be blurred.
I know how hard this is to face, but I also know how evil people can become who through
away peoples lives like an old news paper.
And I have to ask - what are you talking about?!
So it makes me wonder what is the source of your issues?
What is your disquiet?
My issue is your constant misrepresentation of what I and others post as well as your misrepresentation of God and His Good News, the Gospel.
As far as 'issues', there are no deep, dark issues. God has protected me and loved me well, as well as putting others in my life who have loved me well. I walk in confidence and boldness not of myself, but because of who I am in Christ and His faithfulness in my life. Mine is a testimony not of the hard things I've had to endure, but of the faithfulness of God to love and protect me - and beyond that - to grow me in His love and grace.
Is it that love might judge you as failed, even though you are not?
Nope.
That if you turned evil, how could love walk away? Is there no loyalty?
But love rejoices in the good, and brings life so why would you turn to evil
why would judgement come, why would you fail walking in the Spirit after Christ?
And PeterJens has slipped back into his alternate universe, making assumptions, asking obscure questions that have no bearing on the actual conversation.
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. (from Col. 2)
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. (from Heb. 2)
-JGIG