Can a Gay person be a True Christian?

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Magenta

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And that too is the beauty of the program because it gives people the freedom
to explore their spirituality and beliefs about God in conjunction with looking
at and identifying self-defeating patterns, without forcing anything on
them. If they diligently seek the truth, Jesus Christ will be revealed to
them as Truth just as He promised He would do in Scripture :):):)
 
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Eh? What did you change, and why?
 
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2 Peter 1.1-11
1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; [SUP]3 [/SUP]seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge, [SUP]6 [/SUP]and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; [SUP]11 [/SUP]for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

It would appear to me you have been deceived by the FREE GRACE SALVATION doctrine.....The 5 fold ministry gifts that teach morality are teaching the Bible
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Use your verses above that point out morality being taught. I see morality in it, but where is it specifically teaching how to be moral?

And did you catch WHERE this morality is coming from?
 
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Magenta said:
That's true, sexual orientation has nothing to do with whether one is saved or not but that is not the subject I was discussing with you, nor what was brought up as the original point in my response to you. You made a statement about something as if someone had claimed something they did not. Scripture also says if you claim you are without sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Please don't hit me with your hammer LOLOLOL.
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FYI ,

actually the suggestion was done even if you do not see it I will explain why I came to that conclusion:
the poster sated :
I respectfully disagree.
Gay people can love the Lord with all their heart, mind and soul.
Gay people can go out and make disciple of all nations.
Gay people can serve in the trenches in the Name of the Lord.
Gay people can proclaim the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
Gay people can often reach people who are otherwise unreachable.

from why I see the poster had stated is that "gay people" not Christians can do many things . The over emphasis on " gay people " in context seems to suggest the person can remain gay and be used by God. I disagree with that remark or understanding. Now that is not to say the poster point is wrong and I am right. Just what I have observed in the post.
Now on to the latter point you have said

you said " You made a statement about something as if someone had claimed something they did not. Scripture also says if you claim you are without sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Please don't hit me with your hammer LOLOLOL."

 What do you mean ? And I do not use a hammer I use a sword :)
 
blue_ladybug

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CS1 said:
FYI ,

actually the suggestion was done even if you do not see it I will explain why I came to that conclusion:
the poster sated :
I respectfully disagree.
Gay people can love the Lord with all their heart, mind and soul.
Gay people can go out and make disciple of all nations.
Gay people can serve in the trenches in the Name of the Lord.
Gay people can proclaim the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
Gay people can often reach people who are otherwise unreachable.

from why I see the poster had stated is that "gay people" not Christians can do many things . The over emphasis on " gay people " in context seems to suggest the person can remain gay and be used by God. I disagree with that remark or understanding. Now that is not to say the poster point is wrong and I am right. Just what I have observed in the post.
Now on to the latter point you have said

you said " You made a statement about something as if someone had claimed something they did not. Scripture also says if you claim you are without sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Please don't hit me with your hammer LOLOLOL."

 What do you mean ? And I do not use a hammer I use a sword :)
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She meant don't use your ban hammer on her. That's what we call it.. lol.. But a sword, that hurts worse than a hammer.. :eek: lol jk :)

Also, I'm pretty sure that Utah meant that gay people who are NOT christians can be used by God. Like, if they have turned from that lifestyle and offer their testimonies to others. :)
 
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blue_ladybug said:
She meant don't use your ban hammer on her. That's what we call it.. lol.. But a sword, that hurts worse than a hammer.. :eek: lol jk :)

Also, I'm pretty sure that Utah meant that gay people who are NOT christians can be used by God. Like, if they have turned from that lifestyle and offer their testimonies to others. :)
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thank you Lady Blue But I kind of would like to hear from the person who I asked the meaning to thank you :)
 
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CS1 said:
FYI ,

actually the suggestion was done even if you do not see it I will explain why I came to that conclusion:
the poster sated :
I respectfully disagree.
Gay people can love the Lord with all their heart, mind and soul.
Gay people can go out and make disciple of all nations.
Gay people can serve in the trenches in the Name of the Lord.
Gay people can proclaim the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
Gay people can often reach people who are otherwise unreachable.

from why I see the poster had stated is that "gay people" not Christians can do many things . The over emphasis on " gay people " in context seems to suggest the person can remain gay and be used by God. I disagree with that remark or understanding. Now that is not to say the poster point is wrong and I am right. Just what I have observed in the post.
Now on to the latter point you have said

you said " You made a statement about something as if someone had claimed something they did not. Scripture also says if you claim you are without sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Please don't hit me with your hammer LOLOLOL."

 What do you mean ? And I do not use a hammer I use a sword :)
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God said his Word was also fire and a Hammer in Jeremiah 23.29 ;)
 
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CS1 said:
that is interesting because i know for a fact that Christ centered programs have 68 to 70 % success rate. and all other 12 step Programs have used the same model as the church but removed God from it . and the 12 step AAA is religion
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Skeptics (atheists) as a very small group in the larger picture of things have removed God as the solution from the solution presented in the 12 step program, but to claim that God has been removed from the 12 steps in general is an error of epic proportions. At the heart of the 12 step program is a personal understanding of God. AA is clear beyond any shadow of a doubt: there is One Who has all power. That One is God. May you find Him now! All other 12 step programs (and some that have added other steps like a sixteen steps for women, for example) were built on this foundation.
 
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CS1 said:
FYI ,

actually the suggestion was done even if you do not see it I will explain why I came to that conclusion:
the poster sated :
I respectfully disagree.
Gay people can love the Lord with all their heart, mind and soul.
Gay people can go out and make disciple of all nations.
Gay people can serve in the trenches in the Name of the Lord.
Gay people can proclaim the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
Gay people can often reach people who are otherwise unreachable.

from why I see the poster had stated is that "gay people" not Christians can do many things . The over emphasis on " gay people " in context seems to suggest the person can remain gay and be used by God. I disagree with that remark or understanding. Now that is not to say the poster point is wrong and I am right. Just what I have observed in the post.
Now on to the latter point you have said

you said " You made a statement about something as if someone had claimed something they did not. Scripture also says if you claim you are without sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Please don't hit me with your hammer LOLOLOL."

 What do you mean ? And I do not use a hammer I use a sword :)
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Quite correct to be a Christian one must allow the Lord to make them into the new creation in Christ that 2 Cor 5:17 speaks of.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Magenta said:
Last edited by CS1; 30 Minutes Ago at 11:15 AM.
Eh? What did you change, and why?
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some times I make typing errors and I will correct them. I hit the edit button over the reply as you can see I did not change any of your original POST
 
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I wont discuss this issue with you, because your understanding of grace and other Biblical principals appears at best, a mile wide and 1/8" deep.
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Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Your scared just admit it.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Grace is FREE. and anybody can be saved if they simple trust in Christ's finished work.

Your pushing loadship salvation. And most just don't call you out on it............and it is why you have to keep repeating," This is not works salvation." It is. It just takes a little discernment because it is very subtle.
 
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Gr8grace said:
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Your scared just admit it.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Grace is FREE. and anybody can be saved if they simple trust in Christ's finished work.

Your pushing loadship salvation. And most just don't call you out on it............and it is why you have to keep repeating," This is not works salvation." It is. It just takes a little discernment because it is very subtle.
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We don't get (or keep) salvation through works anyway.. We receive it when we are saved. If we had to work to keep our salvation, I'd lose mine all the time.. :eek: :( lol
 
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I disagree nor is it biblical to suggest only gays can reach gays . The truth is the Holy is the One who bring them to Christ when the Gospel is proclaimed Paul said it in Roman " I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for IT IS the POWER of GOD unto Salvation . a sexual preference has no power to lead one to Christ anymore than a person who is addicted to drugs . Only the Testimony of those set free from Drugs sexual sin , and any sin for that matter is completely a God thing not a gay thing.
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Feel free to re-read my post as many times as you'd like, you will not see that I suggested only gay people can reach gay people, but rather, gay people can also reach people, and yes, sometimes the otherwise un-reachable people, be it straight, gay or otherwise.
 
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Magenta said:
Did somebody actually say that? I saw someone say that gay people can often reach people who are otherwise unreachable. One thing is for sure: the hatred toward gay people in the Christian community is a huge turn off for many people, including other Christians.
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I didn't say that, that's for darn sure.
 
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well the monologue of :

gay people
gay people
gay " "
gay " "

would suggest that would it not? when you end with the statement "Gay people can often reach people who are otherwise unreachable. " the reasonable understanding is gay people.
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No it wouldn't suggest that. Try again!
 
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Gr8grace said:
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Your scared just admit it.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Grace is FREE. and anybody can be saved if they simple trust in Christ's finished work.

Your pushing loadship salvation. And most just don't call you out on it............and it is why you have to keep repeating," This is not works salvation." It is. It just takes a little discernment because it is very subtle.
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I am not scared of anything, let alone you....and your misapplication of the truth....You are not the first grace rodeo with clowns I have had to ride a bull through....

Grace is free alright and the truth makes grace accountable and responsible....

You are turning God free grace into licentiousness....

I do not know what loadship salvation is. Do you care to elaborate at all?

If making Jesus Christ Lord, of every area of my life is loadship salvation, than I am guilty as charged... Paul was accused of this as well...

You keep thinking I am talking about salvation and I am not, there is spiritual growth after the salvation Jesus and only Jesus gave me...I do not work for salvation, nor do I work to keep it. It a is free gift by grace through faith....

You seem to be suggesting that because you have grace you don't have to grow spiritually anymore...and you would be correct.... I view grace as the power to be WHO God says I am and the empowerment to be WHO he called me to be, and the motivation to GO.....

True grace will never keep you in your current state....and that is what you are missing in spades...
 
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that is your opinion I I do not see that as true because if it were true then why would we need the Holy Spirit ? Paul said very clearly it is the Power of the Gospel. in context to knowing one that is sin when one says or suggest a sexual preference is something more than and raise it to a level of effectiveness I think can be damaging to those who see this sin as what they are and not an act of sin as all sin is.
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If you were choking on a sandwich and the only person around to help was a gay person, would you wave them off? No, you wouldn't. There are obviously many people who are spiritually choking, straight, gay and otherwise, and low and behold, God just might use a few gay people to alleviate their choking. That is the essence of my posts, nothing more. Quit reading into what I never said.
 
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Utah said:
Feel free to re-read my post as many times as you'd like, you will not see that I suggested only gay people can reach gay people, but rather, gay people can also reach people, and yes, sometimes the otherwise un-reachable people, be it straight, gay or otherwise.
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Thank you for your clarity I have one question for you please :

what is the difference of " gay People" and Christian people ?
thank you for your answering in advance
 
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I am not scared of anything, let alone you....and your misapplication of the truth....You are not the first grace rodeo with clowns I have had to ride a bull through....

Grace is free alright and the truth makes grace accountable and responsible....

You are turning God free grace into licentiousness....

I do not know what loadship salvation is. Do you care to elaborate at all?

If making Jesus Christ Lord, of every area of my life is loadship salvation, than I am guilty as charged... Paul was accused of this as well...

You keep thinking I am talking about salvation and I am not, there is spiritual growth after the salvation Jesus and only Jesus gave me...I do not work for salvation, nor do I work to keep it. It a is free gift by grace through faith....

You seem to be suggesting that because you have grace you don't have to grow spiritually anymore...and you would be correct.... I view grace as the power to be WHO God says I am and the empowerment to be WHO he called me to be, and the motivation to GO.....

True grace will never keep you in your current state....and that is what you are missing in spades...
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"The truth" is GOD. Are you saying that God holds grace accountable and responsible? And I think Gr8 meant "lordship" not "loadship". :)
 
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Utah said:
If you were choking on a sandwich and the only person around to help was a gay person, would you wave them off? No, you wouldn't. There are obviously many people who are spiritually choking, straight, gay and otherwise, and low and behold, God just might use a few gay people to alleviate their choking. That is the essence of my posts, nothing more. Quit reading into what I never said.
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again thank you for your post when you get a change please answer my question. I was only asking not saying and I saw your post as a suggestion not an absolute. I think sometimes we are a little to defensive rather than just explain to the person what they do not understand. maybe next time :)
 
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